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December 12, 2022 07:08 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“The triumph of persuasion over force is the sign of a civilized society.”

–Mark Skousen

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22 thoughts on “Monday Open Thread

  1. Nutty Boo-Boo posted on Twitter yesterday that all of the counties in CD3 had finished recounting their ballots and she was still the winner. She did not say what change there was in the total.

    So hopefully we'll get something official from the SoS today. 

  2. Really great news on the transformation of the world economy to renewables.

    The world's 5 largest countries are already buying 25% electric vehicles, and the US will hit 25% within 2 years. China has a headstart on all the key technogies, in particular materials and battery production. The Democrats' IRA bill has provided the incentives and regulations to boost US investment in renewables.

    Solar PV generation in the US will surpass coal by 2027, and by that time wind will surpass gas generation. The costs of PV electric and Li-Ion batteries have declined by 90% (although materials production constraints are affecting battery prices at the moment). Wind electricity prices have declined by 60%.

  3. Littwin nails it:

    The more we know about Club Q suspect, the less we know about why red flag law wasn’t invoked

     

    It was Aldrich who requested the case be sealed. Couldn’t the DA or the sheriff have asked the judge not to seal the case until a red flag request could be brought before a judge? Sheriff Elder said that by that time, it would have been difficult to argue that there was any threat “in the near future.” Really?

    After all, according to the affidavit, the judge set a higher bond when deputies, after searching Aldrich’s grandparents’ house, cited “homicidal statements, actions, possessions of firearms and bomb-/making materials.”

  4. I think this opinion piece in the ColoradoSun helps me settle on the "303 Creative" case (https://coloradosun.com/2022/12/12/opinion-a-loss-for-303-creative-would-be-a-loss-for-all-americans-including-gay-americans/).

    I've been on the fence but leaning in their favor. These examples are good examples

    For example, a Muslim-owned bakery that creates cakes with custom image printing would have to create cakes with an image of God, though such a depiction is fundamentally against Islam. Gay-owned public relations firms would have to create websites and campaigns for Christian groups or churches that exclusively promote heterosexual marriage and even condemnation for homosexuals. A Jewish filmmaker who takes requests from the public would have to produce promotional content for a Palestinian group that supports the expulsion of Jews from Israel.

    If these business owners didn’t comply, they could be fined or jailed by the government for violating public accommodation laws.

    I like that these examples relate to EEOC-type protections. I can think of other examples where people could be made to be put in unreasonable positions if this case does not get decided in favor of 303 Creative.

    I think the opinions and actions of 303 Creative regarding websites for gay weddings are not right but I don't think they should be illegal.

    Businesses should not be able to refuse to people based on protected statuses but a business should not be required to create custom things for all protected statuses.

    1. Right! What about an atheist store-owner being forced to sell christmas decorations?

      What about a jewish/muslim butcher being forced to serve non kosher/halal meat to a non-jew or non muslim? 

      What about a divorce cake? 

      What about a racist being forced to seat a black person at the counter of a walgreens? If racists can't be racist, where do we draw the line. 

      Wait a minute… Are we talking about free speech or freedom of religion or freedom to discriminate?

      What about a website designer who hasn't made any wedding websites, but who theoretically might want to do so some day, and is worried that a gay person might want to hire her? Um, explain what harm she is suffering? "Oh noes! I'm being forced to accept payment for a website I was hired to create."

      1. Atheist store owners should not be forced to sell Christmas decorations.

        A jewish/muslim butcher should not be forced to serve non-kosher/halal meat to anyone.

        No one should be forced to create a divorce cake.

        A racist should be forced to seat a black person at their business. Discriminating against a person's race is wrong.

        The subject of the thing being created or sold is different than the subject of the person that is purchasing the thing being created or sold.

        It is accepted that businesses will discriminate in what they create or sell. It's how businesses differentiate themselves from competitors and such.

        I have no sympathy for 303 Creative but I'd really like this kind of issue answered definitively by the courts. It seems the courts just kicked this decision down the road when deciding about cakes.

        1. The cake decision was materially different, though. The baker refused to make a non-specific wedding cake because he knew the couple was gay. The case was ruled in his favor because the commission ruling on the violation supposedly showed undue bias.

          This case IMHO should be tossed on lack of standing, but yes, I think there should be some guardrails on anti-discrimination laws.

  5. Propagandizing the Hunter Biden Junk Pix. 

    Trump's "October Surprise" was an attempt by Steve Bannon and exiled Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui to post items from Hunter Biden's hacked laptop, in particular salacious photos. 

    It's all about the propaganda value.

    Taibbi, Musk, and company seem to have focused a lot of their fire on Twitter’s suppression of Hunter’s dick pics and similar stuff. The currently accessible tweets cited in the email that elicited Musk’s First Amendment comment were about sex, not political corruption. All that is revealed by the emails in that screenshot is Twitter following its own terms of service. Nonconsensual pictures of people’s junk are not protected speech. As Jeffrey Lebowski once told Walter Sobchak, “This is not a First Amendment thing, man.”

    But let’s look at who was posting those pics in the first place. The third tweet cited in Taibbi’s screenshot, the Internet Archive shows, came from an account that features a logo and slogan indicating the user is a member of New Federal State of China. The NFSC is an organization set up in 2020 by Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui, an exiled Chinese mogul, who has aggressively promoted false claims about Covid vaccines and the 2020 election. 

    I have previously reported on various messages and recordings detailing what Guo and Bannon and their backers were up to in 2020. One thing this material shows is that in October 2020, Bannon—working with Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer—arranged for Guo and his followers to spread salacious videos and pictures from Hunter Biden’s laptop.

    1. I have cared so little about Hunter Biden's laptop that I wasn't even sure what he looked like.  So I Googled some pics of him…yeah, he needs to leave his clothes on. But beyond that, can we please move on to real news now?

      1. Yeah, we should, but this isn't really about dick-pix, it is about the uses of propaganda and the how of fascist chaos monkeys WITH A LOT OF MONEY are manipulating the public.

        It's important to understand how stupid people think, because there are a lot of stupid people, and they are easily manipulated. 

        Elmo is going down the Qanon rabbit hole and the only solution will be for his financial house of cards to collapse.

  6. The energettically smelly one has Tweeted himself out of being the richest guy in the world today. Tesla's stock dropped by 6%, leaving musky short of the top spot to a guy who sells luggage. (Tesla's stock is down 52% on the year.)

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