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May 16, 2012 05:44 PM UTC
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a politician would rather get re-elected than vote his conscience.
Who is running against Coram in HD58 this year? Wes Perrin ran in 2010 before redistricting, but I think part of the old 58 became 59, right? Can someone get us up to date on what the Dems are doing there? Thanks.
Montrose, like Mesa, is so heavy Republican that for a Democrat to get a toe hold it is virtually impossible.
Running against Greg Thornton who does not appear to have a campaign website. This district is not competitive for Dems.
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Called him to ask him to introduce himself. Nice guy. Hope he jumps on soon.
Coram definitely was on the spot on this one.
A real case of being in the wrong job at the wrong time if he wanted to stay in the shadows.
I don’t for a minute think Coram’s “sense of right and wrong” or his “conscience” had anything to do with his vote.
Common sense dictates that he must know the legislative process, as a member of the Legislature, well enough to know that the Speaker had subverted and contorted the process, and that, as a member, it was his moral responsibility to stand tall and right the ship. A yes vote would have brought the vote to the entire body, salvaging Colorado’s democratic process and its’ reputation.
Then he could have voted no in the big show.
He’d have squared things with his son. He’d have done the right thing.
Instead, he heard the warnings of his lesser angels.
Coram would have been vilified by the wing nuts that have saturated the republican party, those wealthy lunatics from the various “evangelical” entities, the conservative talk show jabbers like Brown, Boyles, Caplis, and those wingnuts on 710.
And he’d be shunned from the radical fringe element of red society.
But he could have been known as a man of integrity. Strength. Fairness. In short, an adult that does the right thing.
A funny thing about pressure.
Some people focus.
Some people, like Don Coram, fold.
Now he’ll live the rest of his life knowing he’s on the bad end of the saying “A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero dies but once”.
His Dad chose loyalty to Frank McNulty over loyalty to his son. Politics is thicker than blood….
Don Coram’s vote was wrong, but I think his son would have been better served voicing his objections (and disappointments) in a private setting, not in the media. Calling out his father in the media serves only one purpose and that purpose is not persuasion.
his son in the debate with his statement before his vote. He made his son part of the story. It was almost as if he was using his son as a type of shield, a “some of my best friends are….., so I’m not a bigot.”
What the son should have said was that his dad voted to keep him a second class citizen who will continue to be denied their rights to the pursuit of happiness. It was a vote to continue to maintain two classes of citizens in America.
This is a son politicizing a debate with his father. He should have kept it private, or at least more respectful than this.
I’ll bet Don Coram is used to this though.
then your first sentence is a flat out lie. Dad politicized it, not son.
Coram mentioned his son when he declared what his vote would be. That had to cut to the core. It turned MY stomach, and I’ve never met Dee.
A-BOT, you have a retraction to make, and I’m going to be on your case about it. (Time to update the sig line.)
Rep. Coram was just trying to show he understands the issue in the best way he could. There was nothing wrong with him noting he has a gay son.
dad politicized his relationship with his son. That’s what bringing it up on the floor did. You lied when you said the son politicized it.
Retract it, buddy.
wrong with him announcing to the world he has a gay son (in a half-assed attempt to provide him coverage for his homophobic vote) then there most certainly is nothing wrong with his gay son having a word with the press as to how his father’s actions impacted him.
perhaps you can point out those other mentions in the press about their disagreements.
shared by Dee and Don Coram is that of constituent and representative. As such Dee Coram has every right to petition his representative in the legislature to vote on issues of import to him and to report on how those conversations have gone. What you are suggesting is that Rep. Coram’s constituent has no right to express areas of disagreement with his representative in government.
99% of the time, family disputes should be kept private.
But for how many decades have “family values” politicians asked their own gay family members to sit down, shut up, and get comfortable under the rug? How many “family values” politicians have, as Coram did, mentioned their gay family members even as they vote to deny them any semblance of equality?
Being gay should not mean being mute just because your father is in politics. Dee is an adult. Don determined that Dee’s rights weren’t worth sacrificing his standing with McNulty and his party. Dee determined that his relationship with Don was not worth another year of silence as his father continued to preserve a system in which Dee will live, choose a partner, become a parent, and die as a second-class citizen without the rights and privileges Don had when marrying and raising Dee.
Don decided that Dee wasn’t worth sacrificing his position for.
Dee decided that Don wasn’t worth sacrificing his voice for.
It’s sad, hard, and tragic, but I cannot condemn Dee for refusing to be another “inconvenient gay” silenced for a right-wing, anti-gay politician’s career.
One is a politician.
The other is a job creator.
Who are ya gonna trust?
I simply disagree with his actions. Dee did not have to sacrifice his voice. He could and should state his position in favor of civil unions. That is not the same this as publicly stating words to the effect, my dad is a coward. He is entitled to his opinion about his father, but publicly venting it accomplishes nothing productive. His relationship with his dad his is own, but I think a statement of “my father and I strongly disagree on this issue” would have been more appropriate.
This is probably because we each filter things through our own experiences — so for me, in Dee’s voice and body language I hear and see all the gay friends I’ve seen asked to “just” do this or that little thing to avoid their sexuality inconveniencing the family.
Can’t you just come to the wedding with a female friend instead of with Jake, so you don’t distract from the bride’s day?
Can’t you just tell your neighbors that you live with your “sister,” so you don’t become a subject for gossip?
Can’t you just wear a suit for the funeral, just this once, and go by John, instead of having to explain that you’re Sally now?
Can’t you just marry a man and give me grandchildren? You’re bisexual anyway, so why don’t you pick the one society will accept?
Can’t you act a little more manly at my company picnic, so my boss doesn’t notice anything “off” about you?
So many GBLTQI people hear this all their lives:
“It’s not that I don’t support you. Of course I love you, but why can’t you just….?”
I feel so much for Dee. I see in him a guy who has, as the son of a Republican politician, heard a lot of can’t-you-just in his lifetime. He’s probably obeyed a lot of the can’t-you-justs. And after years of it, he had one for his father: Can’t you just lead the way and let the full House vote?
Instead of a “yes,” he got a “no,” and presumably another implied can’t-you-just. “Can’t you just let this one go? Can’t you just stay away from the media? Can’t you just hang up when they call?”
This time, he couldn’t just, and in his position I hope I’d be strong enough to say, “No, I can’t, not this time,” too.
Family is what you’re born with AND what you make it. Don’s vote required Dee to choose between loyalty to the family he was born with, and the right to make a family of his own choosing, just like every heterosexual person has the legal right to do. I understand why you feel so strongly that he shouldn’t have aired the dirty laundry with the family member he was born to, but for me it’s just as important that he be loyal to the family he desires to create for himself.
My perspective is as a son and as a father. Though I can try to empathize, I do not have any personal experience being truly discriminated against or marginalized. I have never had to choose between my family and my true self. Hopefully despite this most recent disagreement, Don and Dee will not have to either.
And it’s important to hammer home that Coram took what looked at the time like the easiest way out, only to have to live with the shame of the coward’s rout, for the rest of his life.
Dee did nothing wrong.
I do think this issue will be back next year, but they won’t be voting on Civil Unions then.
That Democratic majority’s going to be voting on the floor for same sex marraige.
I hope Dee Coram’s in the gallery when it passes.
If they’re doing that, it will be to refer a constitutional amendment to the voters, because there’s one in there now that forbids same-sex marriage.
It just got by me, I didn’t think about it.
I would like to introduce myself, my name is Greg Thornton and I’m the Democratic candidate for House District 58.
Our official roll-out is on the 1st of June and we have been very quickly gearing up.
My opponent, Mr. Coram unfortunately voted against this measure as you already know. It is absolutely disappointing that currently District 58 has a person more interested in scoring political points and being re-elected than standing up for civil rights for Coloradans. Mr. Coram states that he must obey the wishes of his constituency. This is misguided as from recent polling, most people in Colorado support civil unions and in fact around 56% of Republican votes do. Clearly Mr. Coram is more interested in towing a political view out of step with most of Colorado. We need a representative that will stand up for the rights of all people in their district and look at issues like this as an opportunity to move Colorado forward and not backwards.
Like I said our campaign is gearing up quickly and our website will be up very soon. But we are currently accepting donations.
Donations made payable to “The Committee to Elect Greg Thornton” can be sent to my treasurer: Jan Touslee 1146 South 2nd Ave. Montrose, CO 81401
Thank you for your time.
Greg
be getting the endorsement of Dee Coram?
We haven’t reached out to Dee Coram yet. I would of coarse be happy to speak with him about this issue and see what support he might offer.
And thanks for being willing to go through the grind for the chance to serve.
I have posted Coram’s speech from Monday’s committee meeting.
Not that his microphone wasn’t working for the first 10 seconds, so he’s kind of buried.
If your browser doesn’t support streaming with .m3u files, you can download the audio clip here:
http://www.junctiondailyblog.c…
Additionally, although we can’t quote the Denver paper, if an interested party searches their website for “Coram,” they will find two separate articles by Jessica Fender that mention Coram’s references to his gay son during committee deliberations.
Coram is a really lovely man who I am sure is struggling mightily. Coram’s wife is his aide and she could be seen crying during the hearing. This has been very difficult for all of them, and while I strongly disagree with the position that Coram took, I hope that this will be one step in moving him in a different direction in the future, and next time telling the McNulty’s and Stephens’ of the world along with bigoted constituents, that he will do the right thing.
What really matters is what one does, not what one hopes to do next time.
I’m sure he’s a really lovely man. A lot of these social-issues Republicans are. But a man who campaigns on family values, then fails to value his family, is not worthy of continuing to hold public office. He has a safe seat and could probably win a primary, so it’s really only his loyalty to McNulty that could possibly have dictated this vote. To me, that’s not enough to justify or forgive denying equality to his own son.
I hope this does provoke some soul-searching, but I’ll see him as a rather poor father deserving of every bit of Dee’s ire until and unless it also provokes both public and private apologies. Dee deserves an apology for bringing him up while voting to keep him a second-class citizen, and all of Colorado deserves an apology for the simple wrongness of Coram’s vote.
I believe you, and Dee, that Don is “almost there” in terms of supporting equality. But almost ain’t gonna cut it for the couples who suffer from continued inequality while legislators head home to their districts to fundraise and campaign. If I were a gay woman unable to make medical decisions for my partner in the event of an emergency, it would be little consolation to me that Coram found his vote “difficult” or that the wife he can make medical decisions for shed tears.
of “lovely men” who did nothing to stand against bigotry and hatred. It takes a very special type of “lovely man” to side with the bigots against their own flesh and blood though. As to his wife crying, she had reason to cry. Her husband, her son’s father, was siding with the bullies who were legislatively bashing her son. If she had any self-respect she’d resign her position with her gay bashing husband.
In the end, he had feet of clay.
In the biggest moment of his legislative carreer, he was a coward.
Coram’s wife will never look at him the same way, because, as you said, he actually sided with the bullies, against her son.
She can’t change what happened, she can only determine what happens next.
Of course, we’re assuming she has more integrity than he.