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June 21, 2022 11:27 PM UTC
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This is how it's done, folks…
Bipartisan Gun Bill Clears Initial Vote in Senate – The New York Times (nytimes.com)
You get buy-in from both sides to get something done.
Oh, yeay. A bill that provides mental health resources and some funding for red flag laws, for states that want it. (Also, a limited "boyfriend" loophole patch and more money to make schools into fortresses.) So bold. So effective. It's freakin' performance theater.
In 1957, Lyndon Johnson got a very lame civil rights bill through the Senate by watering it down so much that liberals threatened to vote against it.
He used one of his colorful metaphors to describe it: it’s like deflowering a virgin. It may be messy and not very rewarding the first time, but it will be easier the next time. The liberals had the good sense to see the watered-down bill passed in 1957.
And the next time occurred …. in 1964 with the civil-rights legislation he got through then.
Think of this as deflowering the NRA. Take what we can get now and come back for more later.
And one other thing: this along with the infrastructure bill gives Biden two pieces of successful legislation Democrats can take credit for passing albeit with a little help from the other side. Rafael Warnock and Mark Kelly might appreciate it come November.
Or we can let the perfect be the enemy of the good. We stand on a position which has no chance of ever passing (with even 50 votes, let alone 60) make speeches, raise money, and go down in flames.
Colorful metaphor? And extremely sexist.
You could equally have said “ kneecapping , neutering, body-checking” the NRA, if you needed a body metaphor.
Or made your ( valid) point about LBJ and the 57 Civil Rights bill, but at least mentioned that his metaphor was sexist.
And the Ride of the Valkyries is heard in the land.
I stand by what I said, La Pomposa.
You can look it up in Robert Caro's bio on LBJ. Unless, of course, his works need to be scrubbed for political correctness.
Rinse and Repeat, I’m not doubting that LBJ said what he said, nor that it had bearing on incremental change. I didn’t suggest that any history be “scrubbed”.
I’m pointing out that the metaphor is sexist, and should be noted as such.
Actually, you're hectoring.
Do you know how long it took Ladybird to get him to say “manure”?
Not everything has to be fit for the most P.C. environment, kwtree, and by now you shouldn’t expect this to be one.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. And anything that shows the NRA to be a paper tiger is a good thing. As to making schools into fortresses, it sure beats the current policy of making them shooting galleries.
Good job, Schumer, Murphy, Cornyn, McConnell, and the 61 others who stepped up for this.
And may the Ron Johnsons, Ted Cruzes and similar scoundrels rot in hell.
Even the Old Crow, McConnell, deserves a shout out on this one.
And what is that single step in this legislation? Armoring schools like the NRA wants? Focusing on mental health like the NRA wants? Allowing red states to continue ignoring the effectiveness of red flag laws like the NRA wants? Sell me another one.
We have had more effective gun legislation in the past; there's no need to take "first steps". This is pablum to say they've done something.
Well, your preferred solution of crying in your beer and cursing those who are trying to find solutions hasn't worked very well, PR. I guess that objectively that allies you with the "thoughts and prayers" crowd. How's that working out for you?
My preferred solution is actual reforms. In the meantime, I'm mixed on passage of this bill. Sure, I'd take the money for mental health and red flag enforcement. I'm not sure that red flag money actually does anything since those laws generally come with funding, but sure.
But praising this as progress and a bipartisan success story? What a joke. The bill perpetuates the "bipartisan" myth; it's barely more than a resolution saying that mass shootings on soft targets are a problem.
“My preferred solution is actual reforms.”
Can it get 60 votes in the Senate? Come back to us when it does.
I'm thrilled they at least narrowed the "boyfriend" loophole. Last I'd heard, they were gonna have to scrap it altogether.
I'm still confused by the "logic" of prohibiting those under 21 from buying a pistol, but allowing the sale of a long gun after a background check. Authorizing those checks for a whole decade before it sunsets.
No penalty if the states do NOT provide the information. Of course, it only covers "licensees" who are selling to the 18-21 year olds. If there is no reason to deny within 3 days, the agency can either get 10 more days to investigate or release the sale.
And the "Red Flag" portion … "According to Cornyn, funds intended to incentivize states to implement so-called "red-flag" laws to remove guns from people deemed to be a danger to themselves or others would be able to be applied to any number of anti-violence programs." And whatever happens, it "must have robust due process" provisions.
It probably is better than nothing … but I said that about the 1994 legislation, too, and look what happened to that.
Delicious. $rump’s vanity will be his undoing. He had contracted with a documentary filmmaker to follow him around from September 2020 through January 2021 – including January 6. He and Ivanka were interviewed for hours.
And the Jan 6 committee is seeing it all. “What the f*ck is this?” a former Trump official texted Rolling Stone when the piece was published.
It will be the equivalent of the Nixon tapes.
Do we have any cardiac surgeons on Pols? Avs won 3-2 in overtime and I think I need professional help or a cold beer.
@Voyageur
The beer is cheaper. Even with the hangover, you will be feeling better faster.
The Senate “gun safety” bill is a piece of window dressing. It is a bone thrown to a grieving and anxious public that is ratcheting up the pressure to DO SOMETHING.
Well…this is something, but it ain’t much. Very little meat on that bone.
Once again, sold out politicians and corporate greedheads have held the line. They had no choice but to produce SOMETHING. Certainly, a blown opportunity.