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March 30, 2012 03:31 PM UTC

Open Line Friday!

  • by: Colorado Pols

“The fact that we’re waiting on the decision of one man, in a nation of 311 million where only 15 million don’t have health insurance, and those 15 million don’t want it?”

–Rush Limbaugh, yesterday


27 thoughts on “Open Line Friday!

    1. Just think of what a gaffe mother lode the 20 GOP debates would’ve been with $ister $arah on stage.  Hell she a ranting fool in just 140-character tweets.  $he can’t shut her mouth for trying.  

      There would have been gross victimization, policy over-simplification, empty annoying buzz phrases, and we would’ve been again watching her pimp out her whole family while admonished to leave her family alone.  It would’ve been a gold mine!  

      Yeah, Palin is sane like a psychopath.  Geoffrey Dunne did a great piece on $arah’s ulterior motives for the endless primary and a brokered convention — read more at:  

      Palin plans for a win at a brokered convention

  1. is that a transcription error?  The estimate is three times that 15 million but it sounds a lot like 50.  Even Rush can’t be that misinformed.

  2. Canada abolishes the penny  You won’t be able to spend a penny in Canada any more as country abolishes ‘nuisance’ coin.  There has never been a US coin with such minimal monetary worth as the current penny.  Doesn’t this make sense?

    –  As of February 2012, it costs about 2.4 cents to mint a penny.

    – Pennies aren’t accepted by vending machines  

    – Pennies are not accepted in bulk

    – Due to inflation a nickel now has the same worth as a penny from 1972.  

    But could you imagine the backlash on Obama if this happened during his admin?  I would make the Repugs & righties heads explode.

    1. But making us all carry around coins for dollars?  No thanks. I’d rather have paper in my pocket at a summer event like an outdoor concert or fair than a lumpy, heavy pocket full of coins. I hate it when I have to get change for a 20 in coins at light rail.

        1. you had, say, one single too few for something for 4 dollars so you get change from a 5 and now you have 4 singles including the 3 you had already. Then you need something for 5 and change and all you have is the 4 singles and a ten so you have to break the 10 and have four more ones to go with the previous 4 along with some jingly change. This kind of thing happens especially when I’m out on a nice summer day at an outdoor event and I just want to have a little spending money and maybe my ID in my pocket, no purse.  I’d much rather have all those left over singles in paper in my pocket.

          True, if it happens I’ll adjust but  I’m not going to be lobbying for it.

  3. I’m sure you remember then congressman Alan Grayson satirically describing his view of Republicans’ healthcare plan.

    Grayson – a freshman Democrat from a competitive district – who said the first part of the GOP approach to health care is: Don’t get sick.

    “If you get sick, America, the Republican health care plan is this: Die quickly,” he said.

    During Tuesday’s arguments about the individual mandate, Justice Scalia proved his point:

    The court’s right-wing justices seemed to forget that the best argument for the individual mandate was made in 1989 by a respected conservative, the Heritage Foundation’s Stuart Butler.

    “If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street,” Butler said, “Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. If we find that he has spent his money on other things rather than insurance, we may be angry but we will not deny him services – even if that means more prudent citizens end up paying the tab. A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract.”

    Justice Antonin Scalia seemed to reject the sense of solidarity that Butler embraced. When Solicitor General Donald Verrilli explained that “we’ve obligated ourselves so that people get health care,” Scalia replied cooly: “Well, don’t obligate yourself to that.” Does this mean letting Butler’s uninsured guy die?

    Slate’s Dahlia Lithwick called attention to this exchange and was eloquent in describing its meaning. “This case isn’t so much about freedom from government-mandated broccoli or gyms,” Lithwick wrote. “It’s about freedom from our obligations to one another … the freedom to ignore the injured” and to “walk away from those in peril.”

    It should be noted that we have obligated ourselves to that via EMTALA, the federal law which requires hospitals to treat and stabilize patients with emergency conditions.

    1. If Scalia means the solution is to let people who are uncovered or don’t have cash die rather than provide emergency health care, that’s not going to happen. So, in the meantime, we are de facto obligated whether we like it or not.

      Scalia’s suggestion only works if an uninsured parent living paycheck to paycheck on a job that doesn’t offer insurance brings a 3 year old child with a head injury to an ER and is told…tough luck, show us the money, and the child is left to die.  Until we start doing that we already are obligated, already have a form of universal health coverage, albeit the lowest quality, most expensive on earth. Those if us who are covered or pay out of pocket or pay taxes are already paying for other people’s health care, that ship has sailed, so it’s a really stupid thing for Scalia to say.  The man is a partisan moron.

  4. … it most likely will not survive.

    The problem with Obamacare is that the Democrats never sought the consent of the governed. While no one is in favor of the current health care system, congressional Democrats forced this plan down America’s throat.  After two years, most Americans still don’t like and do not want it.

    “We have to pass the bill, so we can see what is in it.”  Nancy Pelosi

    What a reprehensible statement for the then Speaker of the House to make.    

    1. and this fact fact should be shouted every time some idiot says, or writes, what you just did.

      Colorado voted on it. Colorado decisively declined to opt-out. Not the day it was passed neither. So you’re implying that your fellow statesmen never did bother to read it and are too dumb (or smart?) to opt-out of something they preemptively hate.

      There are loads of arguments for honest debate on both sides and the middle. This isn’t one of them. Get over it.

    2. Is that while “Obamacare” polls below 50%, virtually every specific in it, when polled individually, polls well above 50%. Once the Obama campaign points out what specifically the Republicans are opposing, the Republican candidates will be in trouble over this.

      1. according to the window signs in all the gas stations I passed today.  So somebody did win.

        I think.

        ——Wandering away again to do the huge project at work I came in today to do.

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