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April 01, 2022 11:47 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Have a very good reason for everything you do.”

–Laurence Olivier

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  1. Lessons of history. The US depended on draftees to fight the Vietnam War. Russia is depending on draftees to fight the Ukraine War. Went badly for LBJ and Tricky Dick. Going badly for Putie. Many young men have died in both wars, with more to die in Ukraine.

    1. Good analogy, skeptical. 
      Interviews with captured Russian soldiers repeat the theme: “We were duped”. 
      They are deserting in droves, abandoning or even sabotaging their equipment. 
      Five generals, so far, have died in Putin’s war. 

    2. There certainly was a U.S. of A. military draft.  [happy day in my life was in my senior year of high school, hearing Nixon “suspend” further induction by the draft.] But I’ve seen several estimates of those in-country in Vietnam, all adding up to something similar to this American Legion

      DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:
      25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII). Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

      “We are the Mighty” put it this way

      More than three-quarters of the men who fought in Vietnam volunteered to join the military. Of the roughly 8.7 million troops who served in the military between 1965 and 1973, only 1.8 million were drafted. 2.7 million of those in the military fought in Vietnam at this time. Only 25% of that 2.7 million were drafted and only 30% of the combat deaths in the war were draftees.

      It is way too early to know the make-up of the Russian troops — but the official version is those drafted serve for training and in tasks inside Russia.  Those fighting in Ukraine are “contracted” — which is to say, they signed up for service after their draft.   There may have been deception or coercion to get them to sign up.  And Russia confessed that some draftees were in Ukraine in non-combat roles like “truck driver.”

      And somewhat undercutting the relevance of conscription as a key element … Ukraine also has mandatory service.

      Georgia and Ukraine also feature among those emerging European countries which continue to enforce mandatory national service.

      In Georgia service lasts for a year and in Ukraine – 18 months.

      … Both nations have consistently expressed a desire to join NATO, but the organisation has largely ignored the presence of a large number of conscript troops….

      According to the 2020 UK Home Office Country Report on Ukraine, military service in the country involves no “acts which are contrary to the basic rules of human conduct”, however, the report does outline a number of concerning practices. These include the widespread hazing of new recruits, which is not investigated in the vast majority of cases, and a 2015 law that authorises military commanders to use physical force against “soldiers who commit criminal acts such as disobedience”. Furthermore, evading military service remains a criminal offence punishable by up to three years in prison.

      1. A big share of the U.S. enlistees, including me, only enlisted because we were going to be drafted and thought we could get a better deal enlisting.  It was no rah rah rally round the flag deal.

         

        1. Exactly, V.  Two of my older brothers got their letters from the draft board, and immediately went to the nearest Air Force recruitment office.  Another brother and I were were in the lottery, and both of us received high numbers, well above the cutoff for the draft.

          A friend got his notice and did a little research.  As he told it, he discovered that nuclear subs couldn't navigate up the Mekong River, so he enlisted in the Navy.

    1. “today’s quote……”  The source is important too. I rate Olivier as one of the 10 greatest actors of the 20th century.

      It’s sad that he has come under posthumous fire from the woke, progressive, cancel culture, because a couple of his greatest roles 50 plus years ago, in “Khartoum” and “Othello,” were done in darker face.

        1. Acting should be color blind. The interplay of characters and dramatic conflict that illumines human experience is the point- not the relative melanation of the characters.

          Denzel Washington as “Macbeth” gave a breathtaking performance.  Yet some traditionalists pushed back – Shakespeare’s characters were white unless noted otherwise, they fumed. Olivier also created a noteworthy Othello, and had to wear blackface as the character was specifically created as a “Moor”. When Olivier acted, nobody was thinking of casting a black actor as Othello.

          It’s worth noting that Othello is one of the most anti-Semitic plays written- during a time of religious persecution, Shakespeare made clear that he really, really disliked Jews. But even the wokest of us wouldn’t dare cancel the culture to make Shakespeare’s writing more PC. 

          Same thing happened with the multiracial cast of “Wheel of Time”, from Jordan and Sanderson’s fantasy epic. Readers had a mental image of these characters as white. How dare the “woke” filmmakers have another vision? 
          I didn’t see right wing critics pushing back on complaints about multiracial casts. What is the opposite of “woke”? Comatose?

        2. Phoenix, don’t recall where I saw it. But, I think it was specifically directed at Olivier in “Khartoum,” where he played the Mahdi.

          “Othello….anti-Semitic…” So also was “The Merchant of Venice,” with Shylock and his “pound of flesh.”

      1. I saw Khartoum with Charlton Heston at the Center theater which on 16th street right next to the Denver Dry Goods store.  Still have memory cells of him walking down the stairs at the end.  Denver Dry Goods had the ice skating rink in the winter.

        1. I can look at the last scene anytime I want. Way back when, one could buy program booklets for certain movies. My interest was paying for the ticket and a bag of popcorn. But I did buy the "Khartoum" program and still have it.

    2. An important addenda to the corollary quote is to do the right thing at the right moment for the right reasons without regard to personal consequences.  It is easy to do the right thing when you get rewarded for it but it takes that extra ounce of willpower when you are hurt some way in the process.  It takes a more expansive understanding of who you are to do something that benefits the greater good but is disasterous for you personally.  It's called a noble sacrifice and can only be done when an individual that doing the right thing in the moment is the highest that a human can attain.  The good reason is because only you can commit to that particular act in the moment. 

  2. From Julia Ioffe (who knows this stuff really well):

    It's hard to imagine what happens next-which is the subject of this week's newsletter-but everyone I've spoken to in Washington and Moscow has warned me to brace for months, if not years, of war in Ukraine.

    That makes sense and what I was assuming. I hope that Biden & Co. are in this for the long haul both continuing with the supplies and training the Ukrainian military on more advanced technology we can then provide them.

  3. From the CEO of the company that provides Windward's QA resources. A super reputable individual (if you need IT resources, email me and I'll introduce you to him):

    However, there is another group: https://savelife.in.ua/donate/. This is the biggest and the government-verified organization that has a professional approach. There are different types of donations there. You can pick one. If you'd like to donate I'd recommend using this one because they buy stuff knowing what's exactly needed. 

    I've also queried a friend in Romania about where to donate for Romania & Moldova. I'll pass that on when I get it.

  4. Lauren Boebert Wants People To Wait Until 21 To Declare A Gender Or Sexual Orientation

    https://www.wonkette.com/boebert-wants-people-to-wait-until-21-to-declare-a-gender-or-sexual-orientation

    "We require people to be 21 to purchase alcohol beverages, and 21 to purchase tobacco products. Why is it so unreasonable to require people to reach a certain level of maturity before making life-altering decisions about their sexuality and identity?"

    1. “Life altering decisions”?

      What the actual fuck, Lauren? Did you wait until you were 21?

      To the best of my knowledge, people do not “decide” to be a gender…they feel it. The only decision is whether to accept one’s self or societies expectations of you. Fuck that, says I.

      If, the moment you encounter me, you begin to compare and hold me to a standard of your choosing, I don’t want to hang around with you anyway.

      Politics is politics, but human hearts should not be made vulnerable to the pettiness and fear of haters by the supposed leaders of their society. It ain’t right. 

      The Orange Pretender assembled as many haters as he could find, and rallied them under the flags of their red hot righteousness. Come to find out, HIS flag was the only one that mattered.

    2. Boebert actually makes a bit of a point here, and quite by accident, since this is a complex issue.

      I’m reminded that from the late 1970s through early 1990s, Trinidad, Colorado was the sex change capitol of the USA. That was due to the late Dr. Stanley Biber doing his thing at Mount San Raphael Hospital.

      Biber never touched anyone under age 21 that I can recall. He had a one year waiting period from the first contact with a patient to actually doing the surgery. During that waiting period, he put patients through several intense batteries of psychological testing to determine if the “change” was actually what the patient wanted.

      As part of my human services career, I worked a disability beat for a while. I had a couple of his patients who got the “change;” decided it wasn’t really what they had wanted; and were depressed. Yeah, they had that diagnosis, but were still capable of working.

      What’s needed for these young people; whose brains aren’t fully developed yet; is patience and understanding, not hormonal & puberty blocking therapy.There will be time enough later to decide if a change is actually what’s desired.

      And…..”plucked his eyebrows on the way, shaved his legs, and he was a she. Hey babe. Take a walk on the wild side.” Song by the late and great Lou Reed, 1972.

      1. The trouble with that approach, Banger, is that while waiting to turn 21 (what ever happened to “old enough to kill, but not for voting”?), changes are occurring that can only be ameliorated, not completely reversed, at great expense, and sometimes great discomfort. Puberty blockers are the way to go until the person is certain their dysphoria isn’t “just a phase”. Nothing irreversible; just either let nature or chemistry take over. And those weren’t just Dr. Bieber’s rules. He was following international standards of care for transfolk. https://www.wpath.org/publications/soc /p>

    3. I'll bet she made more than a few "life-altering" decisions years before she was 21. Just a guess. And we're all waiting for a "certain level of maturity" to show up in her life. 

  5. Governor Sununu: Trump’s “fucking crazy”.

    After a two-year absence, the Gridiron Club hosted its 137th dinner Saturday night with the profound desire that the pandemic, two presidential impeachment trials and an attack on the U.S. Capitol have not permanently ruptured this country. So there was both shock and relief when New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu, the Republican speaker for the night, weighed in on Donald Trump.

    “He’s f—ing crazy,” Sununu said to laughter and applause — and, notably, no booing.

    “I don’t think he’s so crazy that you could put him in a mental institution,” he added. “But I think if he were in one, he ain’t getting out.”

     

    1. I saw that Sununu quote. Also viewed today on Yahoo News was a quote from Governor Larry Hogan (R-MD) that the DeSantis “Don’t Say Gay” law in Florida is absurd.

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