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January 28, 2022 09:13 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • 51 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“Rage only works if it is justified. That’s the trick with rage. You gotta have a reason to be mad.”

–Sam Kinison

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51 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Colorado Pols, the purveyor of news & inside information, purposefully omits any discussion of the assault on police and law enforcement. Black Lives Matter, not so much when it’s law enforcement. Black Lives Matter, not so much, if you are black in Chicago.

    Colorado Pols, the propaganda purveyor…… not a serious source of information.

    1. ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
      It must be nasty-old-man-suffering-from-dementia Saturday? . . .

      . . . the same as every other day in Pfruitlandia.

      . . . never a serious source of information.

        1. In Pfruitlandia all the WCs are walled with mirrors . . .

          (. . . and all of the thousands and thousands of fellow splotters he sees and confers with in there are nodding in agreement with him.)

      1. …and yet, like a Peeping Tom Pfruit you just can’t stop squatting in our bushes and peeking through the curtains to experience the thrill of watching grown-ups engage in the sensuality of adult conversation. 

    2. Uhh, Pear, you mean the three cops who were murdered and the hundreds who were assaulted on Jan. 6 when the Trump insurrection tried to seize power?  

      We’ve talked about that, but you’re right.  We need to talk about it more.

        1. Three dead cops are directly traced to the injuries inflicted by insurrectionist goons.  As to Trashli Babbit, the psycho would-be assassin shot as she tried to break into Congress, she got what was coming to her.  If you don’t know that, then you are a sick nazi goon yourself.

          1. “V”

            Using your logic, everyone who commits a crime, deserves to die. So very Rittenhouse of you. I’m sure you meant to say. nasty-old-man-suffering-from-dementia, nazi goon. It’s what all the cool kids say.

             

            1. I thought you loved yourself some Rittenhouse.

              But, hey:

              I’m sure you meant to say. nasty-old-man-suffering-from-dementia, nazi goon.

              You have only yourself to blame for that one.  I know.  You did Nazi that one coming back on you.

               

            2. But that isn't "V's" logic. He's not implying that anyone who creates a crime deserves to die. Unfortunately for Ashli Babbitt, she was in process of committing a crime and paid the ultimate penalty. No different from some guy coming at a cop with a large knife, refusing to stop, then gets shot. Babbit was, and is NOT, any kind of "martyr." 

        1. Be my guest… By all means, share your ideas on those issues. What I'm focused on this weekend is  voting rights.

          In Texas, half of mail ballot applications are being rejected. Election officials from the most minor poll judges to elected County Clerks and Secretaries of State are being harassed and threatened.

          19 states passed laws restricting voter access to voting.

          Without free and fair elections, there can be no compromise nor resolution on police or border issues.

           

            1. Instead of proclaiming (incorrectly) what I think, let’s hear your opinions, arguments, and evidence, on the issues you care most about.

              Let R&R defend his own position that voting rights is “ideologically extreme”.

              1. Actually, RandR never made such an argument.  You claimed he did to deflect attention from the NYT article which pointed out the untenability of ultra leftist policies like open borders and defunding the police.

            2. It's called Troll Baiting.

              The purpose of Troll Baiting is to derail the conversation by using emotionally-loaded terms and distorted accusations to prevent discussion of actual problems or solutions.

            3. So, you are for open borders and defunding police?  How'd that work out in the NYC mayor's race?

              Pretty well, if you ask me. I'm a big fan of Mayor Eric Adams.

              1. Yo tambien.  And as an Eric Adams fan, I love Val Demings and have sent her money to oust Trump boot-licker Mario Rubio in her Senate race.  You go, Girl!

        2. "…best examples of [Republican accusations] of ultra leftism are open borders and defund the police."

          Fixed it for you. 

          We're in the middle of a dis-information campaign, and the Fourth Estate is not helping. 

          Team Kleptocracy: Extreme rightism dominates the Republican Party, which is rapidly purging anybody who isn't loyal to Donald Trump. 

          Team Democracy: The Democratic Party remains a coalition of moderate voices that range from some Business/Corporate advocates like Manchin and Sinema, all the way over to some mildly Social Democrats like AOC and Bernie Sanders.

          Democratic proposals are mainstream with lots of public support. This includes support for abortion, voting rights, consumer rights, etc. Reforming policing is a topic worth discussing, but there is nobody in the Democratic Party advocating for defunding the police.

          1. Nobody in the Democratic Party carried those Abolish the Police banners at BLM rallies?  Nobody then advocated defunding the police?

            Minneapolis never slashed its police budget?

            Parkie, the truth is that plenty of lefties, like our own treehouse, yelled exactly those slogans until they got crushed by voters.  

            1. There are a range of opinions in both parties, and sufficient whackos carrying signs and wearing tee shirts to demonstrations/protests/uprisings that ought to be of concern to ALL those who want a democratic republic, where we are governed by reasonable laws and not by unreasonable people.

              Since it is hard to determine "party membership" in the midst of a demonstration by a crowd of people, how about limiting to party platforms and party officials' statements, and the speeches and official actions of elected officials selected by those parties? 

              1. What?! You think people should avoid ad hominem attacks and guilt by association?

                That would eliminate 90% of the comments from some of the posters here.

          2. "…best examples of [Republican accusations] of ultra-leftism are open borders and defund the police."

            There is also that third leg of the tripod:  socialism.

            Fixed it for you.

      1. Thank you, kwtree, I will…

        There’s nothing ideologically extreme about protecting voting rights. I was disappointed that the Senate effectively killed the House-passed election legislation. (I was also disappointed that they did not abolish the filibuster but that is another issue.)

        The question is where to go from here.

        Clyburn suggests a couple other things that can be done. One is providing federal funds for election. Not a bad idea but I remember 12 years when the ACA was enacted, and the feds offered to pay 90% of the cost of Medicaid expansion (a government program I actually support … not bad for a non-socialist).

        Many states took the feds up on it. Many did not even though it was costing them money and their citizens were going without health care, getting sick, and sometimes dying. Does anyone think that Ron DeSantis or Greg Abbott is going to jump to accept federal funds – with strings attached – for elections? Mark me down as dubious.

        Second, Clyburn suggested executive orders which I initially thought was intriguing. I saw it as payback for Trump declaring his national emergency to reallocated money to build his wall. (In fact, Biden should do that with climate change which isn’t simply a national emergency but a planetary one. But that is another issue.)

        But then I thought it through and realized that sadly, any EO that Biden signed would end up before the US Supreme Court and we all know how that would go. The only mystery is whether it will be a 6 to 3 decision or a 5 to 4 decision. (Thanks, again, Jill Stein and Ralph Nader.)

        I do have a solution. Several of the non-crazy Republicans (namely, Mitt Romney and Susan Collins) are interested in reforming the Electoral Vote Act. Dems need to get on board with that – and some have – and then try to engraft onto it by amendment as many parts of the recently killed election legislation as they can get away with putting on the bill without chasing away Republican Senators who support the bill. In other words, take what you can get this time around.

        Of course, feel free, kwtree, to emulate the House Tea Party members which between 2011 and 2015 voted to repeal the ACA 62 times. Maybe the Squad can beat that record by pushing Pelosi to call up the election legislation 63 times for House votes between now and the end of the year.

           

        1. Thanks for replying to the issue at hand- voting rights.

          Clyburn’s proosal for “all of the above” including executive orders is worthy of consideration. Don’t agree with you that all is lost and there is no hope. After all the executive orders freeing slaves and ending the segregation of the Armed Forces did remain in place, although bitterly fought.

          There is also great pushback to preserve voting rights in the battle ground states: Arizona, Wisconsin, Alabama, and more. Keep donating to the ACLU and Stacey Abrams’s organization, Fair Fight. In our own state, donate to our own election warriors like Jena Griswold and Gilbert Ortiz.

          I had this post set up with links but it went away.

          1. “After all the executive orders freeing slaves and ending the segregation of the Armed Forces did remain in place, although bitterly fought.”

            True, but they didn’t face a Supreme Court with Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Comey Barrett.

            I agree with you about litigating at the state court level. Look at what the state supreme court did in Ohio with their redistricting scheme…

  2. It is good to get such a send up from Powerful Pear. Criticism from him is a powerful reaffirmation that you are right. Is it just coincidental that Propaganda Purveyor is so alliterative and self-descriptive of our feeble-minded friend?

      1. Lobbyist Grover Norquist [and GOPer] …has famously said, "My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."
        That makes him an "enemy of the state".

  3. MAGATs are eating the Christian Right.

    The Atlantic has an interesting article about how Evangelical chruches around the country are being split by political strife. It parallels the way the Republican Party has been taken over by the most extreme voices. I'm sure that the purges will continue, until only the most pure adherents to the revolution will remain. 

    How is it that evangelical Christianity has become, for too many of its adherents, a political religion? The historian George Marsden told me that political loyalties can sometimes be so strong that they create a religiouslike faith that overrides or even transforms a more traditional religious faith. The United States has largely avoided the most virulent expressions of such political religions. None has succeeded for very long—at least, until now.

    The first step was the cultivation of the idea within the religious right that certain political positions were deeply Christian, according to Marsden. Still, such claims were not at all unprecedented in American history. Through the 2000s, even though the religious right drew its energy from the culture wars—as it had for decades—it abided by some civil restraints. Then came Donald Trump.

    “When Trump was able to add open hatred and resentments to the political-religious stance of ‘true believers,’ it crossed a line,” Marsden said. “Tribal instincts seem to have become overwhelming.” The dominance of political religion over professed religion is seen in how, for many, the loyalty to Trump became a blind allegiance. The result is that many Christian followers of Trump “have come to see a gospel of hatreds, resentments, vilifications, put-downs, and insults as expressions of their Christianity, for which they too should be willing to fight.”

  4. Encouraging to read of the success of the health insurance selection season on Charles Gaba's blog ACASignups.

    Colorado: @C4HCO announces record 199.4K QHPs during 2022 Open Enrollment; you can still #GetCovered thru 3/16!

    Connect for Health Colorado, the state’s official health insurance marketplace, reports that 198,412 Coloradans signed up for a health insurance plan by the end of the Open Enrollment Period. This is an increase of more than 18,000 enrollments, or 10 percent, above last year’s end of Open Enrollment total, and is the highest end of Open Enrollment total since Connect for Health Colorado opened for business in 2013.

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