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January 21, 2012 04:03 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“No man is rich enough to buy back his past.”

–Oscar Wilde

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53 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. the earth would quake with the stampede of the righteous taking to the streets, the mountain tops, the airwaves, the internet…

    The hypocrisy is stunning.

    1. with some turkey on another forum who, careful to say he wasn’t defending Gingrich, naturally condemned Clinton for the “same thing,” when it wasn’t the same at all – not when it didn’t lead to multiple divorces, or show a pattern of ill wives being cast aside for young women, or ex post facto demands for an open marriage. Hell, this bozo was fairly convinced that just being impeached meant being guilty, and being acquitted by the Senate doesn’t mean exoneration.

      The hard right likes him because he’s the fightingest fighter they have. They know no one else could even take on Obama in a debate, and Newt won’t keep it clean, either. They want blood and Newt’s the only one who can deliver it.

      Did you see the Fox News ass clown who actually defended Newt’s affairs – as proof that it makes him more worthy and prepared for the presidency? Get the barf bucket ready before you read it.

      1. That fact that many of us on the left can’t stand him is irrelevant – we’re all voting for Obama regardless. But for the people in the middle – Newt will run as a populist who will reduce unemployment. Obama is vulnerable to that. Very vulnerable.

        1. Gingrich can not reinvent himself as a populist, and I don’t think people are automatically going to trust any Republican plan because they were quiet the past three years, offering no alternatives. Oh, NOW they have a plan?

            1. No, he’s trying to do it. That’s his plan of action. It isn’t the same thing as he is doing it, which would mean that he’s doing it successfully.

              You can’t be a populist AND an insider at the same time. If Gingrich runs on the Clinton boom, he’ll remind people that a) he’s a Washington insider (and one too powerful for a decade+ out of office to change), and b) that things were better under Clinton. The GOP can desperately try to take the credit for that, but that would mean that the Dems deserve the same credit for the Reagan era recovery. Sorry, but they made it so that the good times are credited to the president.

              Newt is the worst possible candidate for the GOP, even more so than flip-flopper Romney and election-losing, “internet problem” Santorum, because he’s too well known and too vulnerable himself.

              No one is saying Obama is a slam-dunk winner, but he’s trying, the GOP isn’t, and none of these guys have a record of designing or endorsing an alternate plan. The only way your prediction comes true is if a) things are still really shitty in the fall, and b) they unveil a plan with all the brilliant marketability of the Contract On America at the right time. I’d focus my concern there, not on what any single candidate is doing today.

              I’m not sure Newt has what it takes to win his party’s nomination, anyway. The GOP establishment is firmly in Romney’s court, and it’s seldom that any challenger overcomes that. The Not-Romney phenomenon shows that they can’t settle on a challenger anyway, because they all had problems with the base. A few cheers at a debate do not support a conclusion that the moral-majority types have forgiven him completely, and I wonder what some of them think about his conversion to Catholicism.

              1. For one thing let’s remember that, up until pretty recently, it was a given that Romney wouldn’t do well in SC and that it would be Newt’s best state.  Newt doing well here, even before the unexpected early drop outs by candidates splitting the anybody but Romney vote, was the story before Romney being sure to win became the story. True nobody expected Newt to do quite this well but the point is, this isn’t quite such a dramatic turn of events as the media is now making it out to be.

                Newt winning the nomination in the end would still be very surprising, in spite of what we’re seeing in the moment, but Newt winning the general?  It will never happen. Once people really start paying attention, which for most isn’t anywhere near happening yet, Newt’s baggage will be on display 24/7.

                Not the least of it will be a long time mistress and third wife who is never going to be considered suitable First Lady material. Sorry. Things haven’t evolved quite that far. It would be too much like having Monica Lewinsky as First Lady except that Lewinsky didn’t break up a marriage. Also, all the fellow Rs who served with him can’t stand him and some of them still have a lot of power and influence.

                I’ll be happy to worry about stuff that’s really alarming. I just don’t see the chance of Newt ever being my President  rising to that level.  Bet I can count on gloom amd doom Dwyer to tell me I’m just being a huge, head in the sand, Pollyanna, clueless liberal but I’ll stick to my guns on this.

                1. and there are plenty more problems with Newt that one person can catalog, so his mistress & 3rd wife doesn’t even have to be part of the equation.  She will get some kind of sympathy, though, since he converted for her sake and has professed to finding salvation & redemption due to her presence.

                  FL will be a hard for Newt — very expensive state to play in he’s on record with something to piss off almost everyone.  If he pulls it off in FL then Romney is gonna be truly puckered, he’ll get desperate for a knock out hit and this will really turn ugly. This circus just keeps getting better.

                2. The fact that many of us here find Newt inconceivable as a president – does not mean a majority would not vote for him. Many of us figured Bush was so clearly not up to the ask of president that he could never win.

                  Yet he did. Twice.

                  1. Not to quibble about GW Bush “winning” in 2000, the basic problem was that we Dems put up deeply flawed candidates in Gore and particularly Kerry.

                    Al Gore’s distancing from Clinton was a big boo-boo.  His personality makes even Mittens seem warm and personable.  Nader simply provided the coup de grace.  Kerry’s problems are oft-told and don’t need a rehash here.

                    Obama does not suffer these limitations.  His are the economy, the economy and the economy.  Facing either Gringrich (not gonna happen, but just for the sake of argument) or Romney will be a struggle, but the basis of the campaign is already taking solid form.  In a  battle that will be the ugliest, most negative in history, the negatives of the likely GOP nominees far outweigh Obama’s.

                    The party that succeeds in hanging the poor economy on the other will win, all other things being equal.  The ace in the hole in that case, will be the “likeability” of the respective candidates.  Obama wins by a mile in that department.

                  2. You  over estimate the extent to which  average voters are OK with Newt’s baggage as opposed to how many pay so little attention at this point, they couldn’t tell you a thing about it. Newt will either self destruct,  or be destroyed, quite possibly by the legions of enemies in his own party before Dems even have the chance, long before he gets anywhere near the White House.  I’d bet you 10K there will never be a President Gingrich if I had it. Instead we’ll have to settle for I told you so rights.  

                    1. But with an electorate that wants to elect the president they’d rather have a beer with, I think Gingrich can win. I do think he’s the one most likely to win the primary. I think he’ll lose to Obama, but it will be close.

                      I’ll bet a beer 🙂

                    2. If Romney is the nominee I buy you a beer. If it’s Gingrich, you buy me one. And if it’s Santorum we just wait for the rapture the next day 🙂

                    3. I don’t think he’ll get the nomination either. The funny thing about this is that there really doesn’t seem to be anybody running that most Rs actively like. I don’t think most of them want Romney or Newt but who else is there, at this point?  The GOTP really does seem to have steered themselves into a blind alley this time. I expect that, whoever does win the nomination, the campaign will adopt Newt’s favorite SC tactic and rely heavily on racial code to get base voters pumped.

                  3. Let’s refresh our recollections of 2000. If Democrats underestimated George W. Bush, it wasn’t for any of the reasons we just listed about Gingrich. Bush wasn’t anything like Gingrich. He wasn’t well known as a politician, and he didn’t have a long track record. He came across as an everyman and a nice guy; Gingrich comes across as a pompous bully (a rare and notable combination of traits). Bush might have seemed stupid and undeserving, but he ran against an inept Gore, he of the cringe-worthy kiss at the Dem convention, among other missteps. There was also that Nader fella siphoning off votes from Gore. Also, don’t forget that he had his dad’s name, and his dad was a decent enough president. Name recognition and no negatives as a politician – it’s the whole reason the GOP wanted him in the first place.

                    2000 isn’t 2012.

                    If you’re worried that Gingrich can overcome the very real obstacles we’ve described and give Obama a run for the money, it would help the discussion if you could articulate a reason for it. By which I mean, if you could point out how he could overcome these specific obstacles. Because he’s going to face a tough, confident, and more likeable opponent in Barack Obama, and Obama won’t be running from his legacy or checking his flank for a third party attack. (Nor will he have to worry that Gingrich will play Gomer Pyle and make Obama look like the pompous know-it-all.)

                    1. I don’t know of any politician who has ever won an election with numbers like that. They may exist, but it would take some serious research to find one.

                      It’s true that voters may want to have a beer with their preferred candidate, but pretty much nobody wants to have a beer with Gingrich. Voters know him and hate him. Even many Republicans personally dislike him.

                      Nonetheless, Republicans are not necessarily governed by rationality. The only reason the party exists is that some clever PR people have found a way to manipulate working-class white people into believing they’re heriditary multimillionaires whose money was taken away by chicks and negroes and wetbacks, and that’s a precarious sort of lie to base an ideology on.

                      So if rationality fails them, it’s quite possible they will end up nominating Gingrich just so they can once hear him say to Obama’s face a sentence that starts with “The problem with you blacks is…” and maybe, if they have nothing else, that will be enough to make the election worthwhile.

                    2. of just what makes Newt so repulsive and untrustworthy on every level will only increase that 50%. There will be plenty of those from his own team from now through the bloodbath that will be the rest of the GOTP primary season. Even if  Newt winds up the last bloodied candidate standing, which I highly doubt, he won’t have a chance in the general.  

                      Grumpy old white men couldn’t win for McCain. They won’t win it for Newt and by 2016, more of them will be dead and more young and minority voters will be participating.  It’s twilight for the Newt demo.

                    3. who is Newt’s equivalent?  Fuxsake, Newt f*cked up getting on the primary ballot in his home state — tell me again why we should think he’s serious?

                      I hope BC enjoys that cold frosty microbrew when DT pays up …    

      2. That is truly one of the most vile things I have ever read.

        1) Three women have met Mr. Gingrich and been so moved by his emotional energy and intellect that they decided they wanted to spend the rest of their lives with him.

        2) Two of these women felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married.

        3 ) One of them felt this way even though Mr. Gingrich was already married for the second time, was not exactly her equal in the looks department and had a wife (Marianne) who wanted to make his life without her as painful as possible.

        Conclusion: When three women want to sign on for life with a man who is now running for president, I worry more about whether we’ll be clamoring for a third Gingrich term, not whether we’ll want to let him go after one.

        There are no words to describe how sick and twisted that is.

          1. I generally like and admire and respect women as an obvious evolutionary improvement upon men.  Any more like these three and I will have to rethink my belief.  

  2. How The Web Killed SOPA and PIPA

    At the time SOPA’s primary sponsor, Rep. Smith, also the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee which was conducting the markup, expressed confidence ahead of the hearing that lawmakers would swiftly vote to move the bill forward.

    But that didn’t happen. In fact, quite the opposite – a small core of SOPA opponents including Reps. Darrell Issa (R-CA), Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Jared Polis (D-CO) and others introduced 55 amendments to the Smith’s bill in an effort to address the complaints of the Web community, or at least slow the progress of SOPA down.

    That hear was key to the defeat of SOPA/PIPA. First when basic technical issues were blithely ignored by the majority, that was what kicked a critical mass of the high tech community into action. Second, the delay they engendered gave the community time to build up enough opposition.

    A giant thank you to Rep Jared Polis – you rock.

    1. from O’Reilly Radar

      • 8 million [Wikipedia] visitors using an online form to look up the address of their Congressional representatives.
      • 7 million signatures on Google’s petition.
      • 30,000+ Craigslist users called Congress through the PCCC’s website.
      • 2.4 million+ SOPA-related tweets were sent between 12 a.m. and 4 p.m. on January 18.
      • 140,000 phone calls made through Tumblr’s platform.

      It’s an interesting question to see if/where this goes next. You can’t make a request like this of people regularly. And it took a devastating threat to get the companies to take this step.

      But… this has also demonstrated that if the users of the net make themselves heard, they can counter some of the most entrenched D.C. interests. The politicians will do everything they can to not reawaken the somnolent masses.

      Meanwhile, every forward thinking interest group is now trying to figure out how to harness this new power source. And some will find a way to get a substantial sub-set to act at times.

      The political balance has shifted. Not upended, but it has shifted.

  3. Soft corruption requires that you never explicitly state the quid pro quo. Speaking directly exposes that money trumps voters.

    from techdirt

    Reinforcing the fact that Chris Dodd really does not get what’s happening, and showing just how disgustingly corrupt the MPAA relationship is with politicians, Chris Dodd went on Fox News to explicitly threaten politicians who accept MPAA campaign donations that they’d better pass Hollywood’s favorite legislation… or else:

    “Those who count on quote ‘Hollywood’ for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who’s going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake,”

    This certainly follows what many people assumed was happening, and fits with the anonymous comments from studio execs that they will stop contributing to Obama, but to be so blatant about this kind of corruption and money-for-laws politics in the face of an extremely angry public is a really, really, really tone deaf response from Dodd.

    Dodd and the MPAA are clearly very upset that their politicians are not staying bought. And I think a number of Congresspeople are left uncertain about what to do (these are the ones who support SOPA/PIPA, but “with changes”).

    The blackout has definitely been a shock to the system. Hopefully one that might start to reduce the endemic soft corruption.

  4. Carville to GOP: You have a disaster on your hands

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/21/

    Your new front-runner is one of your old front runners, Newt Gingrich. I would like to take a moment to revel: I cannot personally tell you how pleased I am to see old Newt rise to the top after listening to all of your nauseating, sickening lectures on the evils of government and the importance of family values.

  5. lawsuit over employee poaching

    Google, Apple, Adobe Systems, Intel, Intuit Inc and Walt Disney Co’s Pixar unit settled a U.S. Justice Department probe in 2010, which bars them from agreeing to refrain from poaching each other’s employees.

    This absolutely went on. I think the primary goal was to eliminate the getting someone up to speed cost of a zero sum game, it also was effective in reducing pay increases. And it was wrong.

  6. The Secret Document That Transformed China

    In 1978, the farmers in a small Chinese village called Xiaogang gathered in a mud hut to sign a secret contract. They thought it might get them executed. Instead, it wound up transforming China’s economy in ways that are still reverberating today.



    At the end of the season, they had an enormous harvest: more, Yen Hongchang says, than in the previous five years combined.

  7. Michael Yon is by far the best journalist we have in Afghanistan.

    This war is going to turn out badly. We are wasting lives and resources while the United States decays and other threats emerge.  We led the horse to water.

    Importantly, there is no value in pretending that Pakistan is an ally. We should wish the best of luck to the Afghans, and the many peaceful Pakistanis, and accelerate our withdrawal of our main battle force. The US never has been serious about Afghanistan. Under General Petraeus we were starting to gain ground, but the current trajectory will land us in the mud.

    The enemies will never beat us in Afghanistan.  Force on force, the Taliban are weak by comparison.  Yet this is their home.  There is only so much we can do at this extreme cost for the many good Afghan people.  We must reduce our main effort and concentrate on other matters.  Time to come home.

    1. In that we were never going to have a WWII-style absolute victory in AFPAK under any circumstances. NATO could never field an army big enough to control the entire country.

      The goal has always been a combination of military force in areas where it can make a difference, and diplomatic or clandestine force in places where military force alone is impractical.

      That combination have forced the various groups known as the “Taliban” to the negotiation table. Yes, they know they can outlast the NATO forces that kick their ass whenever they get into a direct engagement, but they cannot compete with drone strikes that keep taking out their leadership.

      Afghans are probably the most pragmatic people on the planet. And at the moment, they can see that negotiation in getting a piece of the political pie is better than ducking and dodging NATO’s military & clandestine forces.

      Case in point:


      Taliban told to compromise or risk new fight

      (Reuters) – The Taliban must be willing to make compromises in nascent peace talks, a prominent Afghan opposition figure said Friday, warning that ethnic minorities who for years battled the Taliban were prepared to take up arms again if they have to give up too much.

      Marc Grossman, the U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, is expected in Kabul at the weekend to discuss progress in negotiations — seen by their supporters as the best chance of ending a decade-long war — with Afghan officials.

      http://www.reuters.com/article

      The other money quote:

      However it would never work if the West lets up military pressure on their battle-hardened opponents and their one-eyed leader, Mullah Muhammad Omar, he added.

      “I am quite sure that without military pressure, the Taliban will never be ready for talks,” Zia Masood said. “That’s not possible.”

      That doesn’t sound very promising, but compare those statements to the Taliban’s mood in 2007-2008.

  8. from an acquaintance who’s a Repub.  He is blaming the Dems for the lousy field of Repub candidates for the presidential nomination.

    Now, I’m used to the Dems getting blamed for every bad idea any Repub ever had at any time.  But this went a bit too far.  While I was goggling at him, he said, “Yep, the Dems have fixed the election.  It was the only way to get Obama re-elected.  So they fixed the election.”

    Srsly?  We’re pretty good, but not even we Dems could have come up with this bunch of mildewed bananas. And would they listen to Dems who told them to run?

    1. So, I hope you asked him why the fuck we couldn’t fix a few more congressional elections, where we screwed up in 2004, 2000, 1988, 1984, and most especially in 1980.  When the hell did Democrats ever fix anything, let alone a recent presidential election.  

  9. Poor Mittens.  Beat by Santorum in Iowa and Gingrich in SC, the state that has picked the GOP nominee for a few decades now.  

    Santorum and Gingrich. Ouch that’s gotta hurt the guy who’s been running for president for a decade.   At least Willard won New Hampshire…

    1. for fifth-place finisher Herman Cain to pull his campaign out of suspension? Apparently marital fidelity is not on the checklist for Republican voters this year.  

    1. who felt that by resigning she might feel as if she were throwing in the towel. I think they were thinking primarily about keeping her fighting spirit up. Agree that she should have resigned before now and that it’s the right thing.  She obviously has not been able to carry out her duties to her constituents. Wouldn’t be surprised if, as her recovery has progressed to this point, she wasn’t the one to insist that her constituents deserved  better.  

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