Tuesday Open Thread

“Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense.”

–Carl Sagan

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  1. Genghis says:


    Sound off, Dave. You OK?

  2. MichaelBowman says:

    Whiskey is for drinking and water is for fighting over.
    ~Mark Twain (maybe)

    Nebraska announces $500M plan to claim water from Colorado

    Nebraska Gov. Pete Ricketts announced a $500 million plan Monday to divert water out of Colorado under a 99-year-old compact between the states that allows Nebraska to seize access to Colorado land along the South Platte River and build canals.

    • Duke Cox says:

      I imagine this will be challenged by Colorado. Any predictions?

      • MichaelBowman says:

        I imagine the lawyers are being lined up as we speak. This is a different compact than the one that governs the Republican River flows into Nebraska and Kansas in my neck of the woods.

        • ParkHill says:

          Are there any lawyers who are representing the river itself?

          The primacy of property rights, and first claim to water is well-established, but it has led to a tragedy of the commons given climate change, and population growth.

          Some first principles should come ahead of property rights:

          (0) Water quality, runoff, pollution, fertilizer & farm waste should be highly regulated
          (1) At least a reasonable amount of water should reach the ocean.
          (2) Water flow should be adequate for a high quality river ecosystem.
          (3) Recreational rights and electricity production should have equal rights to irrigation.
          (4) River Basins should be able to trade water in a drought. That is, Denver should not have a right to suck Western Slope water when the Colorado basin is in a severe shortage.

          Where does that leave farmers vs suburbs vs golf courses?

          Well first off, maybe we should cut water rights by 10%, 25% or more for everybody.

          • kwtree says:

            The novel “Ministry for the Future” explores a future of catastrophic climate change, and an organization that advocates for and represents future generations, and the living environment itself. It’s a compelling read. 

            • Conserv. Head Banger says:

              Given that the author is Kim Stanley Robinson, I suspect “Ministry” is a good read. I’ll look for it next time I’m at “Barney & Noble.”

              • ParkHill says:

                Putting the Science in Science Fiction.

                Neal Stephenson is another fast-paced Sciencey Sci-fi author who is an amazingly creative writer. Seveneves was very interesting. He has a new, future-utopian climate disaster book out, Termination Shock.

                • Conserv. Head Banger says:

                  I have "Fall, or Dodge in Hell" by Stephenson, but haven't read it yet. It appears to be about a scad-zillionaire who dies, but has his brain electrons transferred into some sort of avatar. Interesting concept, but David Weber did it with his now 10 volume Safehold series that began in 2007.

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        "Any predictions?" Will be a tough go. My read thus far is that NE has a good case. However, this is another of those river compacts; like the Colorado River Compact; that was done in a time of wet years. Who knows?

      • MattC says:

        My understanding – and I am not a lawyer nor a CO/NE water expert – is that this particular agreement has never lost, but was challenged a bunch back when.

    • kwtree says:

      Maybe water rights negotiations could include provisos like:

      ”Stop harassing Coloradans and Nebraskans who buy legal cannabis in Colorado.”

      ”If Polis declares a no-meat day, put your big kid pants on and deal.”

      And yes, in a world realistically dealing with climate change, the rules for river’s health that parkhill mentions should also be part of the negotiations.

  3. JohnInDenver says:

    As mentioned yesterday … The Colorado Sun has an article

    Brittany Pettersen is running for the Colorado congressional seat being vacated by Ed Perlmutter

    Pettersen announced her campaign to represent the 7th Congressional District on Tuesday, a day after Perlmutter, an Arvada Democrat, said he wouldn’t seek a ninth term in Congress.

    “I am ready to continue Ed Perlmutter’s legacy,” she told The Colorado Sun. “I’ve been wanting to run for this seat for a long time.”

    mention at the bottom of the article about who else is in and considering a run.

  4. BoulderPatentGuy says:

    Notes for anyone responding to GOP/George Brauchler mania re: the increase in crime in Colorado.  It appears as though the increase in crime correlates to the increase in gun sales of this same period.  I'm going to guess that Colorado's background checks per month is similar to the chart in this article (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/gun-sales-murder-spike/621196/) showing FBI background checks per month nationally since 1999.  I suspect if less guns were sold during this period, there would (shocking, I know), less violent crime over this same period.

  5. Powerful Pear says:

    Justice Sort-a-mayor spreading disinformation on COVID, can this be true?

  6. MichaelBowman says:

    Senator Jebediah Cornpone getting schooled by the next governor of Georgia…

  7. notaskinnycook says:

    Not only can this guy not stay out of trouble, he wants to get a whole lot of other Republicans in hot water: https://coloradotimesrecorder.com/2022/01/gop-senate-hopeful-whos-an-election-conspiracist-says-hes-training-poll-watchers-to-be-bulldogs/42384/

    Someone needs to tell him that's not what poll watchers do.

    • kwtree says:

      Secretary Griswold is on the case:


      In 2010, I was a poll watcher watching Tancredo’s “Constitution Party” poll watchers; they wanted to harass every Latine voter who came in to vote.

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