Friday Open Thread

“If people would dare to speak to one another unreservedly, there would be a good deal less sorrow in the world a hundred years hence.”

–Samuel Butler

73 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. Powerful Pear says:

    BBB,,,not paid for. BBB cost is not zero but hundreds of billions of dollars. Who knew?

    • DawnPatrol says:

      In 2017, the CBO projected that the trump/GQP tax cut for billionaires would blow a 1.4 TRILLION DOLLAR HOLE in the federal budget — an estimate which, it turned out, was FAR TOO LOW. And it’s funny but we can’t seem to recall you cowardly, shameless GQP hypocrites pissing and moaning at all about THAT — then or now.

      So you really need to sit down and STFU, right now, because you’re embarrassing yourself. Again.

      Oh and, we’re gonna pass BBB in short order to, you know, actually help the American people, something you terminally whining, impotent, trump-fellating insurrectionist imbeciles never do. And you and your deplorable, dissembling, anti-American/anti-democracy ilk can CHOKE on it.

    • davebarnes says:

      True. $367G over 10 years.
      US GDP will be about $230T over the same period.
      DoD's budget will be $8T.

      Another view.
      We spent $1T in Afghanistan over a decade. What do we have to show for it?
      Let's revisit the Build Back Better act in a decade.

      • MichaelBowman says:

        That doesn’t take into account net revenues from increased IRS enforcement that’s in a range of $200b – $400b. Reportedly some technical fluke prevents that score from being included as an offset? (and I couldn’t give a rats ass if $367b is the real number)

        • JohnInDenver says:

          Wildly differing expectations of what the IRS would be able to do — and all unrealistic, as additional funding to the IRS won't consistently happen. 

          Predicting budget impacts is nigh until hopeless — clarifying the assumptions and then throwing them into a mathematical formula is great — but tends to overlook unexpected things, which we seem to have plenty of these days.

          • MichaelBowman says:

            Agreed, and I understand largely why they wouldn’t include it in the scoring. That said, $360+B over 10 years in a $230T economy in the same time frame is barely a sneeze. 

  2. 2Jung2Die says:

    Maria Butina, the Russian redhead who infiltrated the NRA and American right-wing circles, is now a member of Russia's Parliament. Can't make this kind of stuff up, unless that's what the NYT did:

  3. ParkHill says:

    BBB Provides:

    Universal pre-K
    $555B for the climate
    $3K-$3,600 cash for parents
    4 wk paid leave
    Drug price negotiations
    15% corporate minimum tax
    Caps insulin at $35/month

    And it helps the IRS track down tax cheats.

    • ParkHill says:

      It's Infrastructure week. Republicans don't want to talk about the what we all get from BBB.

      If you want to cut the deficit, get rid of Republican tax breaks for business.

    • kwtree says:

      Universal pre-K would do more to bring up American education than almost any other reform, and would return better long term dividends. 

      Right now, an average kindergarten class in a wealthy to middle class  neighborhood is comprised of kiddies who can count to ten, know their colors, shapes, body parts and ABCs in English, understand the basics of playing and working cooperatively and “doing school”. This is because they have already benefitted from 2-3 years of preschool or high quality child care.

      Working class to poor neighborhood kindergartens and first grades will have a much wider spectrum of incoming students. Some will have been to Head Start or another free preschool program, and come in knowing those basics. But at least half will come in knowing little but their own names, speaking other languages than English, and their “childcare experiences” have consisted of a tired, harried adult or sibling plunking them down in front of the TV all day. And they will spend the next 12 years catching up, while conservative pundits bemoan “ Our failing educational system”, or gin up hysteria about the “critical race theory” bugaboo. 

      If we want educational excellence like the rest of the industrialized world, we have to start with universal pre-K education as they do. 

      • MichaelBowman says:

        These small children are just like the seeds we plant every spring. If you don’t tend to them during germination and make sure you don’t starve them of nutrition in the early stages there is almost no amount of expense you can incur later in the cycle to make up for those deficiencies. KW is right, investments at that age will pay dividends for decades. 

  4. MichaelBowman says:

    So the next time some math-challenged MAGA tells you that we’re destroying the fossil fuel industry: 

  5. MartinMark says:

    lolz. pop some popcorn, get comfy, and watch, as Trumpistas accuse Mesa County law enforcement, the FBI, and the Garfield County Sheriff as being part of the liberal conspiracy.

    A no-knock raid. I wonder if the Sheriff brought his bearcat mini-tank

  6. Sparky says:

    Kyle Rittenhouse walking free is a crystal clear sign to all aspiring white supremacist MAGA mass murderers that they can kill as many people as they want with no consequences.

    • Genghis says:

      The only component that really qualifies as a surprise is how long it took to arrive at a not guilty verdict.

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        I don't normally agree with Sparky, but he is correct here. Rittenhouse was just blessed for killing two people. I'll offer too that he was probably raised as a Christian.

        • Genghis says:

          Rittenhouse was just blessed for killing two people.

          You betcha.

          Who's that sociopathic gun nut who posts here every now and then, the idiot who was insisting awhile back that there's no such thing a federal constitutional right to vote? You can almost hear him now: "See?! It's either them or you! Buy really expensive guns, and do it right now!"

          • kwtree says:

            Negev? He’s intentionally cynical; he claims that every new high- profile gun crime is good for business. And he would know.

            He likes to mess with Polsters’ minds by posing hypothetical equivalencies of right to bear arms with right to bodily autonomy for women, or citizen’s right to vote.

            He’s also one of the more influential people in the Colorado GOP. 

    • Voyageur says:

      But under the old rules, you only had a free pass to kill black people.  Rittenhouse apparently got the Goodman-Schwerner exception to that rule.

    • notaskinnycook says:

      He’ll take his get outta jail free card and burn it. I don’t expect this to be the last we hear of this nasty little punk. He thinks he can do as he pleases and, with a clown for a judge and an almost all-white jury, get away with it. He’ll escalate and they’ll get him next time. I just hope no one else gets hurt before they do.

      • RepealAndReplace says:

        After he and his family are whisked away to a two-week, all expenses paid vacation to Mar-A-Lago, he will be making guest appearances on Fox. 

      • unnamed says:

        I don't know.  He'll get to spew his vitriol on Newsmax.  Maybe the victims' families can sue their family into oblivion.  That's the only hope he'll get.

        Some asshole who might site this little fuck as an inspiration for carrying out another domestic terrorist act MIGHT get nailed.  Beyond that. Not optimistic.

  7. Voyageur says:

    I suggest we lock Rittenhouse and O.J. Simpson together in a room for a week.

    And every day throw one sandwich over the transom.

  8. Powerful Pear says:

    Twelve jurors speak; NOT GUILTY! 

    • I predict the civil case will go about as well as it did for OJ.

      • Conserv. Head Banger says:

        There is a civil case now filed against Rittenhouse? If so, good, altho I doubt he has any money to pay a judgement.

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          They need to go after Mommy and Daddy. Follow the money.

        • Genghis says:

          That's about to change. He'll be making serious cheese on the wingnut welfare circuit before you know it.

          In any event, I am reminded Jessie Pinkman's description of what he planned to do after obtaining a judgment against Walter White's brother-in-law:

          What happens now? I'll tell you what happens now. Your scumbag brother-in-law is finished. Done. You understand? I will own him when this is over. Every cent he earns, every cent his wife earns, is mine. Any place he goes, anywhere he turns I'm gonna be there, grabbing my share. He'll be scrubbing toilets in Tijuana for pennies, and I'll be standing over him to get my cut. He'll see me when he wakes up in the morning, and when he crawls to sleep in whatever rat hole's left for him after I shred his house down. I will haunt his crusty ass forever until the day he sticks a gun up his mouth and pulls the trigger just to get me out of his head. That's what happens next.

      • RepealAndReplace says:



        Yes, the victims will get a judgment against him, but will it be collectible?

        Then again, it is for an intentional tort so it probably won’t be dischargeable in bankruptcy. The surviving victim and the deceased victims’ families can go after him as long as he is collecting a paycheck as a Fox News commentator.  And longer.

    • unnamed says:

      Powerful Pear says:

      November 19, 2021 at 1:06 PM MST

      Twelve jurors speak; It's okay for right wingers to obtain weapons and commit mass murder against protestors they disagree with.  Then claim that they are protecting themselves in a dangerous situation that they created.

  9. ParkHill says:

    Paul Krugman on Inflation:

    …do we really want to slow the whole economy because bottlenecks are causing some prices to rise? One way to describe the argument of inflation hawks is that they’re saying that we should eliminate hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of jobs because the docks at the Port of Los Angeles are congested. Does that make sense?

    Now, matters would be quite different if we saw signs of a 1970s-type wage-price spiral. But so far we don’t. 

  10. Powerful Pear says:

    Headlines for the Mountaineer. 

    Mass Criminal Extinction Trial Ends

    Media Dullards Lose Control Of The Lie. 

    Mob Justice Goes Down In Flame

    Courtroom Cameras Expose Lazy Journalist 

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