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October 06, 2011 07:32 PM UTC
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And none of male Tea Party guys voted for Palin just because she was attractive? Superficialities being what they are.
I love Warren, but her comment was snarky and Brown had every right to respond in kind. I doubt either of them has any significant hard feelings about it.
I’m a little annoyed at her remark, frankly. Scott Brown has done many things worthy of snark in his life (most of them involving votes in the Senate) but his centerfold appearance is, at most, a little amusing. It’s not fair that a woman who posed for a men’s magazine centerfold would be much less likely to get elected to the Senate, but spreading the shaming around is hardly the solution to that.
After attacking so many conservatives for insensitivity, why are they attacking Scott Brown for responding to an insensitive remark from Elizabeth Warren? This was Warren’s “high heels” moment, not Brown’s.
I guess it’s only okay if you’re a DemocratIC.
There’s a difference between the female and male experience in society, like it or not (and for the most part, I don’t like it). The word “insensitive” in politics tends to refer to commentary that discounts others’ experiences; to my knowledge, Scott Brown has no reason to feel sensitive about his Cosmo centerfold, so she wasn’t being “insensitive.”
She was, however, being a bit rude, and she deserved to get a comment that was a bit rude back. All’s well that ends appropriately and the world should now move on.
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It was irresistible not to make a joke about Scott’s appearing nude in a lusty ladies publication in that context. It certainly wasn’t an insult to his appearance. In fact a great appearance is a requirement. What Scott said, on the other hand, was a personal insult to Warren’s appearance.
Now I’m not calling for his head over it or wringing my hands over insensitivity so righties need not call out either the PC police or the hypocrisy police. I don’t think Warren would wish it either as she gives every appearance of being able to take it as well as dish it out. Not a fragile soul.
But I think most would respond to Warren’s remark with a chuckle, while many would find Scott’s remark a little pissy. And Warren is overtaking Scott in some polls so this one could be very close and every little thing could count.
Besides, I bet Warren wasn’t half bad in her school days.
Then again, I think wisdom and power are more lasting and attractive than more fleeting assets 🙂 Beauty is in the mind, not the eye, of the beholder!
Now, I know this kind of contradicts what I said about men and women having different experiences, but I can’t help thinking that if the roles were reversed and he’d snarked about her taking it off to pay for college we’d still be jumping on him for it. It’s not that she MADE the joke, it’s that she implied it was a sleazy/less valid way to pay for college than taking out loans.
But like I said, I’m sure neither of them really give a damn about either of those remarks. They’re politicians. They have better things to get hurt feelings about.
First place…I’m not jumping all over either one. She made a joke at his expense and he tried to get her back. I think he comes out looking meaner but that’s his problem.
Second…I’m not reading in a lot of sociology here. It was a clever bit of snark just hanging there right in front of her. She couldn’t resist and I bet she got chuckles. Sometimes a smart ass remark is just a smart ass remark begging to be set free.
I went to college before the era of PC orientation as a routine part of being a freshman male. I’m not saying it was the good old days. Maybe I’m being insensitive.
It just happens to be one of my “disgruntle” buttons when people give each other a hard time in elections for old photos. I’m still bitter that a pretty darn good female congressional candidate (in, admittedly, a lost race just by the registration numbers) last year got pushed out because someone threw a fit about a picture of her holding a “marital aid” with her husband. And the one of Barack Obama smoking and looking cool in college gets passed around with all kinds of racist captions still. I look forward to the day when every candidate in every race has so many embarrassing old photos online that they just get over it and talk about the issues.
But I think we basically agree. She was snarky, it was funny, he was rude back, and he does come off looking meaner. I just happen to be annoyed with Warren for the implication that borrowing is more moral in some way than posing for a centerfold. I still think she’s a fabulous candidate and her remark was funny, but I do wish she’d qualified it with a “not that there’s anything wrong with that.”
Warren might have started it, but Brown made himself look stupid with his lame response.
Brown was bested in this exchange. Better luck next time.
on this one, Ralphie.
In this day and age, taking off your clothes if someone wants to pay to see it is not morally disqualifying. Apparently (Senator Vitter), neither is hiring prostitutes, though it should be. I think it was a low blow by her, and unecesary, but…
Brown’s response is particularly sexist. It has the subtext of “I’m the superior candidate, because I look better naked.” Obviously that’s irrelevant to elected office, but it shows us the double standard that women will always be judged on their looks.
Would anyone give a damn about Sarah Palin without her “slutty flight attendant” look? Yes, that was sexist too, just illustrating the point.
And playing to them gives their idiocy credence.
I guess I’ll just assume charitably that Warren didn’t think about that because she’s far too enlightened to even take notice of the foolish people who think there’s something immoral about the human body.
. . . that comment shows your (our?) age. I haven’t had the pleasure of seeing one of those for at least — what? — twenty-five years now?
I didn’t invent that, it was David Letterman
I don’t see a “there” there. Warren took the first – and I think legitimate – shot, and Brown fired back.
End of story.
Warren started it with childish rhetoric and Brown responded in kind. Not a shining moment for either, but certainly nothing I’m going to get my panties in a wad over (hah!).
can not end well.
What’s a worse reaction?: “Tee hee. Thank God. Tee hee.”
OR
“I wouldn’t mind seeing that! Tee hee”
“No, I’m not going to comment on that.”
There’s no fun in that! 🙂
is that Warren responded to a question asking her how she had paid her way through college and specifically mentioned that Brown had posed nuded to do so. She responded that she had not posed nude. She didn’t attack him for it.
I think it rather funny that Brown has trotted out two Republican women (Ayotte and Collins) in the senate to defend him and his posing nude. I wonder if they’d be as forgiving if a fellow female senator had posed nude? This is another silly double standard. If a woman posed nude they could forget about ever holding elected office as they’d be branded as a whore.