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November 17, 2020 06:59 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Truth will always be truth, regardless of lack of understanding, disbelief or ignorance.”

–W. Clement Stone

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  2. Wise advice seen on Yahoo this morning from Howard Stern to Trump:

    "concede and help with the transition. Calm down your f….ing loony hillbilly friends who think something was taken from them."

    Stern also predicted that any Trump entry into news media would fail within a year ("if you think being president is hard, try running a news network")

    1. To the extent that 'hillbilly' is a perjorative (the way that Stern uses it), I always thought that Stern was a hillbilly leader located in NYC.

      IMHO he had one of the larger roles in indulging dump into growing into the vulgar and ignorant personality that powers his cult.

      Stern needs to STFU too.

      1. Never a fan of Sterns' adolescent "Beavis and Butthead" reprise schtick, I couldn't agree more.

        As to the "hillbilly" references. Be advised that there is case law in Ohio regarding discrimination against "hillbillies". Hillbilly is not a perjorative, unless used by a bigot. My mother was a "hillbilly". Proceed accordingly.

        1. I would think that I have proceeded OK having spent a good chunk of my life in or near Appalachia.

          Grad school in the middle of it in SE Ohio.

          2 years in SW VA next door to the moonshine capitol of the world where people would ask me how i liked my home 'back in the holler'.

          9 years in SW Ohio where the school district was a mix of suburban and backwoods folks and their kids.

          But Stern was definitely using 'hillbilly' as a pejorative projecting, as dump often does, himself onto the targets of his expressed disgust.

          1. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I should  have added a smiley face or a winky ’cause I don’t take offense. Just kidding.

            It took being away from there for a while to grow to appreciate its charm. Michael Bowman has spent time of late in Jackson county, Kentucky among other places. He always speaks well of the local denizens. And, of course, the scenery can, at times, be sublime.
            I spent half my childhood there (KY). I have more cousins within 100 miles of I-75 than I can count.

             

            1. No. I am not going to take the bait and ask you how many of them are married (oops).

              I like where I ended up … west but not red. But we are the sum of our experience.

              My immersion in Appalachia was no more culturally challenging than my time in the NE w/Yankees and Mainers.

              But my main point is that Stern is just as much a hillbilly as those he wants to mischaracterize just to make himself feel superior.

            2. Jackson county, Kentucky

              I have family roots there from the time that it was the western frontier. My Rev War ancestor followed Daniel Boone to that area (it was Madison County then) and then to Missouri.

              1. My roots, too, are deep in that dark and bloody ground. My dads' mom was Indian, though his pa was an Englishman. The hill)s and hollers are where about half of my family originated. The Clark branch, on my moms' side, are a bit more high falootin'. The genealogists tell me my forebear, John Clarke, was first mate on the Mayflower.

                Richmond was on the way to Big Hill (grandmas' house…near Berea…but completely unlike Berea.

                1. I'm OK with Stern. An enemy of my enemy can be my friend. 

                  As for "hillbillies," I have relatives in northern and central Indiana. I have "kin" in southern Indiana and parts of Kentucky. Forebears came into Kentucky from Virginia also about the time of Daniel Boone; and some eventually up into Indiana. My late mother knew a bit and shared it with me. Unfortunately, her mother; my maternal grandmother; never wrote anything down and took it all to the grave in the late 1960s.

    2. Trump will not be running a news network. All that he can do, all that he has ever done, is sell a brand. His only business success has been in licensing (and I am including the Apprentice). If he can convince some adults (not relatives) to run his media company, and then leaves them alone, it should be a profitable enterprise. 

    3. Trump doesn't need success as usually defined.  He will borrow $2 billion to start his network, hide a billion in the usual places, lose the other billion and declare his seventh bankruptcy.  

      1. It is a business model that has served him well to date.

        I really thought he was going to try to put the US government into Chapter 11 at some point in time.

        Maybe that was one of his second-term goals.

  4. Our malevolent narcissist appears determined to leave as his legacy a scorched Earth.  Don't be surprised if a lamp "accidentally" tips over starting a blaze in the White House in January.

    Trump sought options to take action on Iran

    A range of senior advisers dissuaded the president from moving ahead with a military strike. The advisers — including Vice President Mike Pence; Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; Christopher C. Miller, the acting defense secretary; and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff — warned that a strike against Iran’s facilities could easily escalate into a broader conflict in the last weeks of Trump’s presidency.

    White House moves to sell oil rights

    In a last-minute push to achieve its long-sought goal of allowing oil and gas drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, the Trump administration Monday announced that it would begin the formal process of selling leases to oil companies.

    That sets up a potential sale of leases just before Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, leaving the new administration of Joe Biden, who has opposed drilling in the refuge, to try to stop them after the fact.

      2. Genghis Kahn used that strategy.

        Foolish oil companies that bid on those leases could lose everything. You could just put in super-strict regulations that make the leases worthless to actually drill.

  5. No. I am not going to take the bait and ask you how many of them are married (oops).

    I like where I ended up … west but not red. But we are the sum of our experience.

    My immersion in Appalachia was no more culturally challenging than my time in the NE w/Yankees and Mainers.

    But my main point is that Stern is just as much a hillbilly as those he wants to mischaracterize just to make himself feel superior.

    1. For CO's part, I know that our excellent SoS had hired a team of cyber pros to watch over election resources via installed intrusion detection hardware and mad hacker skills.

      At the Fed level, Chris Krebs is a rock gawd in the cybersecurity world. His pubs are well worth reading if you have any interest in that (plus he stands up to dump's lies and professes that 2020 was the most secure and problem-free election in the history of the free world).

      1. If (when) someone publishes cyber security trading cards- a Krebs rookie card will have value.  Agree.

        Colorado and other states are careful and not suppression oriented. It can be done.

  7. Even Senate Republicans are saying "Enough is enough — we don't need another Quackonomist"

    Shelton’s nomination has come under particular scrutiny given her views on the Fed’s independence and her calls for a return to the gold standard, which the nation fully abandoned in 1971. Shelton also advised Trump’s 2016 presidential run and has been outspoken against the Fed as an institution. She has also been criticized for altering some of her views to appear in closer agreement with Trump’s aggressive push for lower interest rates.

    “In her past statements, Ms. Shelton has called for the Federal Reserve to be less independent of the political branches and has even questioned the need for a central bank,”

    1. According to Yahoo, Republicans Romney, Alexander, Collins voted NO on Shelton. Grassley (IA) and Scott (FL) are in COVID related quarantine and did not vote.

      1. Well for god's sakes, don't just stop there, . . .

        . . . please list the names of all those principled and conscientious members of the Republican party who Yahoo reported as voting for Shelton?

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