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November 11, 2020 11:27 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory.”

–Josh Billings

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  4. When a Republican has lost Karl Rove ….

    Rove — who sources said advised the White House and Trump campaign leading up to the 2020 election — wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed that while the President is within his right to challenge the results, his efforts "are unlikely to move a single state from Mr. Biden's column, and certainly they're not enough to change the final outcome."

    2. This article was more interesting than the click-bait-y title suggests.

      Read it in the context of the Democratic Party trying to figure out why Trump's campaign over-performed in the Senate and House races. The Democrats failed to get down-ballot race margins equivalent to the presidential race. (Let's watch as more analysis comes in).

      There is an emerging discussion regarding whether persuasion or turnout were the most effective strategies. Obviously the answer is both, depending on the audience. College-educated people in the suburbs are used to evaluating policy tradeoffs. Low-info rural or urban voters are not paying attention to political discussions, and are susceptible to dis-information.

      One other aspect of the discussion is Advertising & Digital vs organizing the electorate. Stacey Adams in Georgia is being held up as an example of the electorate development and turnout strategy.

      AOC is in a safe seat, but it is notable that she and the rest of the Squad are arguing that the national party should be looking to the turnout model that showed success in the swing states of Georgia, Michigan and Wisconsin.

      Brad Parscale and Cambridge Analytics may have been canned, but in retrospect they almost pulled it off by moving low-likelihood voters toward trump (e.g. black males and latinos in Texas.)

       

      1. “The Democrats failed to get down-ballot race margins equivalent to the presidential race.”

        Correct, and that was because the Lincoln Project – God bless them – got Republican voters to vote for Biden but unfortunately they split their tickets by voting for Susan Collins, Thom Tillis, David Purdue and John James in the Senate races. 

        Oh, and apparently the Squad was unsuccessful in explaining to voters in south Florida congressional districts that “democratic socialism = good” while “undemocratic socialism = bad.”

        We may get the chance to do that in Georgia over the next few weeks. A teaching moment….

        1. I partially agree. The Lincoln Project is doing quite well in the Persuasion Category. I don't think they had anything to do with the Democratic micro-targeting and turnout strategy.

          Complaining about AOC completely misses the point.

          Imagine using Lauren Boebert to claim that all Republican candidates are neo-fascist, Qanon fanatics. "Socialism" is a scare word used by Republicans to turn out (white) Cuban voters in Florida against Biden. Our college-educated suburban voters are not particularly persuaded by "socialism". Low-info voters don't pay attention to policy AT ALL, let alone political labels.

          Republicans are convinced that Biden is a Socialist, and they don't need AOC to believe that. My right-wing "friends" are constantly spouting the FACT that the Democratic party is Communist. 

        2. Remember that Maine is one of the lower states in terms of college educated voters.

          I'm still amazed that she was not perceived to be a Trump supporter. I don't see why the Dems could have used that persuasion… a much more obvious and direct connection than tying Biden to AOC.

        3. Well- I called Florida a year ago (and earlier) 

          And I don't understand much about the Democrat party, but

          I do know this: 
          If we don't take the opportunity to embarrass, harangue, call out, put down and other wise object, strenuously, to the AOC/sqaud radical left – we're doomed.

          The radical left must be humiliated at every chance, or Trump keeps on winning.

            1. all that socialism stuff – schools, libraries, roads, … anything that is publicly funded and with universal public access 

               

              I see Fox news do it – and it works.

          3. How’s about you quit spouting the glory of your year-old FL call, and get down to the business of finalizing your call in Arizona and Georgia, smart guy?

            . . . We’re tired of waiting here, ya’ know?

  10. As a short interlude………….

    Musical birthdays on Nov. 12:

    Booker T. Jones 76

    Neil Young 75

    Donald "Buck Dharma" Roeser 73 (Blue Oyster Cult)

  11. Hat tip to Tri-State Generation and Transmission, who was joined today by Governor Polis to announce they will be reducing their emissions 80% by the year 2030 and be powered 100% by renewable energy by 2040. (I’d provide the Denver Post link but dropped my subscription six years ago). 

    Gawd we’ve come a long way since their “War on Rural Colorado” campaign. Have we seen the last of the Gazette’s laughable opinions on this subject? 

    (link to FB Live) 

    1. In other energy news: 

      NYT UNEARTHS FOSSIL FUELS ASTROTURFING CAMPAIGN: The New York Times is out with a deep dive on what appears to be an expansive, yearslong corporate influence campaign run by the global consulting firm FTI purporting to show grassroots support for fossil fuels but was really funded by oil and gas giants like Exxon, a push that “often obscure the industry’s role, portraying pro-petroleum groups as grass-roots movements,” the Times’ Hiroko Tabuchi reports. “One of FTI’s largest shareholders, the investment firm BlackRock, won kudos this year for saying it would put environmental sustainability at the center of its investment approach,” Tabuchi notes.

      — “As part of its services to the industry, FTI monitored environmental activists online, and in one instance an employee created a fake Facebook persona — an imaginary, middle-aged Texas woman with a dog — to help keep tabs on protesters. Former FTI employees say they studied other online influence campaigns and compiled strategies for affecting public discourse. They helped run a campaign that sought a securities rule change, described as protecting the interests of mom-and-pop investors, that aimed to protect oil and gas companies from shareholder pressure to address climate and other concerns.”

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