Tipton Dutifully Plants Health Care Repeal Flag

As the Durango Herald’s Patrick Young reports, along with Rep. Scott Tipton’s minute and ten seconds of boilerplate glory on the House floor yesterday (right):

House Republicans today will vote on House Resolution 2, a measure that would undo the health-care bill passed by the previous Democratic-controlled Congress.

Most of the constituents who spoke during the town-hall meeting supported repeal though no one, Tipton included, wanted a return to the health-care system before passage of reform.

“I support repeal 100 percent,” said ‘Dan’ from Grand Junction. “There’s just no way we can go back to the old system.” Tipton, R-Cortez, agreed…

‘Susie’ from Montrose asked if he would “fight like a tiger” to pass health-care repeal. Tipton assured her he would. He said he had no doubts HR 2 would pass the House, where Republicans enjoy a comfortable 242-193 majority, but he acknowledged it would probably die in the Senate, which the Democrats control.

…’Marcia’ from Gunnison broke ranks, arguing the health-care reform didn’t go far enough. “More people in America want health-care reform to be increased rather than repealed,” she said, saying health-care costs are increasing and insurance companies are paying less.

Tipton didn’t entirely disagree…

The complete futility of the effort notwithstanding, or even the potential political consequences for those who backed this repeal grandstand just as the American people are starting to tire of the endless, unsupported demagoguery about the law…seriously, folks, is there anything, in either Tipton’s floor speech above, or this story about his teleconference with constituents, that leaves you confident he has the slightest idea what he is talking about? Any indication that Tipton is qualified to contribute to this discussion beyond talking points he is handed to recite–with, we might add, what appears to be a sock in his mouth (see: floor speech above)?

There are Republicans in Congress who are capable of making something resembling a rational case, certainly a forcefully-worded case, for their opposition to health care reform today. Scott Tipton is not one of them, and by attempting to sing along without really knowing the words, he helps expose the intellectual bankruptcy of the whole effort.

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  1. JeffcoBlue says:

    Republicans can’t actually figure out WHY they oppose HCR, they just engage in silly crowd pleasing bullshit. It depends on the listener being as ignorant as they are.

    I take issue with one part of this post, Pols: I have not seen a single Republican make either a rational, or even a very forceful case against health care. They try to be forceful and they sound ridiculous, and it can never be rational.

    LB, GOPwarrior, Beej, this is your chance to save your party’s honor. Why HCR should be repealed in 500 words, rational and convincing and with facts. Do it and make me a liar once and for all.

  2. ArapaGOP says:

    And Rep. Coffman, and Rep. Gardner, and Rep. Lamborn, for upholding the Constitution and freedom of choice. The government has taken control of almost 20% of the U.S. economy and ObamaCare must be stopped. After this, watch for the pieces to be starved into oblivion one by one.

    Replace Obama’s monstrosity with real market based reforms, just like Tipton says.

    • The Defense industry?

      The Government hasn’t “taken control” of anything lately.  In fact, it’s been giving away control of things it should keep within its own power, such as an increasing number of military functions.

      If you mean the health care industry, your statement is a joke.  No doctors, hospitals, or insurance companies suddenly work for the government because of the new law.  Individuals and companies still pay for the health care of working America.  Even most Medicare and Medicaid money is spent on private health services – and is often administered by private insurance intermediaries.

      Statements like yours are the reason people like me have problems taking the concerns of conservatives seriously.

      • ArapaGOP says:

        If you regulate every aspect of a private business to the point that they can no longer make any decision without approval from Washington, the government has taken over that business in all but name. That is what 65% of physicians in America are afraid of according to this Reuters survey.

        Would you like to talk about the survey I linked to?

    • Ellie says:

      when it comes to abortion? Seriously interested to know the answer.

    • SSG_Dan says:

      You’ve proven you can cut ‘n paste the usual Republican’t Talking points, and they’re as silly and empty as they were in the election.

      What’s a market-based reform?  What real, concrete, “even the lib’ruls can follow along” plan that the GOP will immediately put into place after they successfully repeal HRC are you talking about.

      Bonus question: explain how FedEx and UPS survive in the face of the gov’t takeover of mail delivery…

      • SSG_Dan says:

        ..so, by extension, I pronounce ArapaGOP another conservative shrieking dumbass.

        Just a quick note – the Republican plan was “Repeal and Replace.” Where’s the Replace part of the plan?

  3. gertie97 says:

    if he is enrolling in the taxpayer-subsidized health plan available to members of Congress.

    • ArapaGOP says:

      Why don’t you ask him if he’s talked to local doctors?

      If you did, he might tell you that most of them think your health care quality is about to drop, and their businesses are about to tank.

      http://blogs.wsj.com/health/20

      • Middle of the Road says:

        Seems a pertinent one since my tax dollars are directly providing him health care as part of his benefits package as a Representative. Why should he have the benefit of public health care but the rest of us don’t deserve the same courtesy?  

        • ArapaGOP says:

          Rep. Tipton does not want to dismantle the civil service system, and if he did you would complain even louder. It is silly to conflate that issue with ObamaCare.

          • Middle of the Road says:

            Welcome to Pols, though. Was hoping you were here for real discussion but I guess I can assume otherwise based on your responses thus far.  

            • ArapaGOP says:

              Just like my nongovernment employer does.

              Are you saying his employer should not?

              • Middle of the Road says:

                Try to keep up, would you, buddy?

                • ArapaGOP says:

                  I don’t think Republicans oppose an employer subsidizing health care, it’s the system we’ve had for decades. I’m asking you if you disagree that Tipton should be excluded from that, just because he opposes the very different ObamaCare.

                  I’m sorry, I’m not trying to talk past you, though that does seem to be happening.

                  • Middle of the Road says:

                    I’m trying to do 3 things at once and doing none of them well, including blogging.

                    To answer your question, no, I do not think he should be excluded, not if he wants to opt into his public subsidized, tax payer sponsored health care.

                    For example, he’ll never be excluded for a pre-existing condition with his Congressional healthcare packet but he’s willing to repeal that and deny others the same benefits he’s so readily willing to accept.

                    I just think it makes him a bit of a hypocrite if he chooses to accept it while he tries to deny 30 million Americans similar coverage by attempting to repeal broad swaths of the HCR bill.

                  • GalapagoLarry says:

                    Congressionals have the privilege of opting out of their government controlled, tax subsidized health care. Why hasn’t Tipton? If Republicans are so concerned about governmental control and “socialist” programs, why don’t you demand that all our representatives reject this dangerous takeover of “the free market”? Answer: hypocricy. Your beloved Republican “Obamacare” repealers are making fools of themselves baring their hypocricy to the whole nation. And you’re doing your share, exposing your own. I’d never demand that Tipton give up a very valuable benefit of his position, but the fact that he doesn’t just screams, “I’m just another Republican hypocrite!”

              • Ellie says:

                Rep. Tipton owns or is part owner w/family of a private business in Cortez where I have spent a considerable amount of money over the last 20 years.  I suspect they have health insurance he could continue to use and not spend tax dollars for his health care.

            • PERA hopeful says:

              If so, ArapaGOP, you owe somebody $50.

          • BlueCat says:

            are silly.  My family doctor and two specialists we see from time to time all have thought it’s time to join the 21st century with sensible single payer for years, since before Obama was elected.  Does that mean all doctors want it?  

            We already pay half again to twice as much as citizens of any other modern state for health care with poorer results for the average citizen. And, since this isn’t Somalia, we already have universal healthcare.  We treat the uncovered in ORs instead of letting them die in the streets and we all pay for it.  In fact we pay much more than we would if we didn’t have the most expensive, least efficient universal healthcare system on earth.

            Only logical solution?  Either drop US style universal healthcare and let anyone who can’t pay die or, if we don’t have the stomach for that, we adapt a sensible universal healthcare plan.  Maybe like Australia’s. Since everyone needs and uses healthcare at some point, you have a public plan but can you opt out of the public one if you prove that you are paying for a private plan. Choice and nobody gets to force the rest of us to pick up the inflated ER tab.

        • ArapaGOP says:

          But it’s likely that Reuters did.

          Why do 65% of American doctors think this is a bad deal, ClubTwitty?

          • ss says:

            The polls was conducted last year via fax. Doctors are busy people and probably don’t tend to have time to do a survey that is faxed to them unless they are highly motivated, which tends to lead to a biased sample size. The poll does not state how many doctors this faxed survey was sent to. So like most polls out there hard to take it seriously.

            My poll of two doctors gives me a 100% we love the new Health Care Reform law.  

          • ClubTwitty says:

            polls?

            There is a common grade school fallacy wherein one argues from a broad and general claim to the alleged truth of a particular.  

      • gertie97 says:

        I’m a taxpayer who would be subsidizing Tipton’s generous health insurance if he’s enrolling for it. Why should he have access and then have the nerve to deny his constituents access?

        Second, what do local doctors have to do with whether Tipton is luxuriating in federal health care?

  4. DavidThi808 says:

    By definition, if we manage to reduce the money we spend on HC, that will reduce the number of jobs in the HC industry, and reduce the income of many who work in it – including doctors.

    That would be a good thing. Anyone who opposes HCR because everyone in the HC industry wants to keep their income, that’s a valid honest approach – that puts the financial interests of that industry before the best interests of everyone else.

  5. Every single House Republican voted today to repeal health care reform, adding an estimated $230 billion to the deficit over the next ten years, raising the cost of insurance to small businesses by an estimated $855 billion over the same period and lowering job growth by 250,000 to 400,000 private sector jobs per year as a result, should (by some weird twist of fate) the Senate and President follow their lead.

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