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November 12, 2010 04:54 PM UTC

Open Line Friday!

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“What I’m saying is anybody with a (D) next to their name, no chance, no way, disqualified, no way, for anything, not even dogcatcher. I see a (D) next to their name, I don’t care what they say, I don’t care what they look like, I don’t care what they do. No.”

–Rush Limbaugh, yesterday

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      1. It’s just his very successful sky high paying career.  If he’s stumbled into a winning formula with some other ideology he’d be some other kind of high paid  jerk.

            1. I will make it a diary though. Give me some time (say by tues?) and I will give you my definition, but will that be good enough? I’m sure that there are people who disagree with my description of it, but I think I can simplify it and make it about common values of all conservatives.  

              1. In 28 years of asking, I’ve only had three serious and coherent replies.  And one of them did it for a living, so I’m not sure he counts.  (I met WF Buckley in ’78 when my cousin graduated from Notre Dame.)

          3. were paid to run his program. But you’re right that angry conservative talk radio has been more successful. It gained a foothold first among angry red state types who fear the changing world. It represents a limited but very lucrative demo. The American majority certainly didn’t follow his advice in the elections of 2004, 2006 or 2008.  Which is dandy with him because railing against Dems is where his money is.  

            But you’re right that angry conservative talk radio has been more successful. It gained a foothold first among angry red state types who fear the changing world. It represents a limited but very lucrative demo. The majority certainly didn’t follow his advice in the elections of 2004, 2006 or 2008  which is dandy with him because railing against Dems is where his money is.  

            Wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t vote for Obama himself since, if there’s anything that sells better with his target audience of grumpy paranoid old bigots than hating and fearing “libruls”, it’s hating and fearing minorities, people of color, anyone who can be painted as some threatening “other”.

            If you think Rush is on your side or anybody’s side but his own, think again.  

            1. I can buy your whole Obama is better for business theory, but you lose me with the hate speech and the audience being full of bigots. I think that is a definite misrepresentation of both. The guy made a comment regarding a black person that was not racist and now he is a biggot?  His show or his ideology are not based off of race dynamics sorry.  

  3. …I’m not a draft-dodger. And the collection of drugs I take are for my shredded body, not recreational use.

    Snippy comment aside, this was on the Reuters internal website, but it was released for public viewing this morning. Their photogs have been in The Suck since the start of the war in AFPAK, and these images are frightening, beautiful and full of hope.

    http://blogs.reuters.com/photo…

    One for LB:

    (Caption: Legs of wounded Team USA Sled Hockey

    members)

    1. I love your passion for our heroes, and appreciate your service. I am confused on how you came to the conclusion that the Dems represent the best interests of vets like you and others?  I would argue that your beliefs and attitudes are in the minority of servicemen and would be interested in what you know or they don’t know about the world.  Did you vote for John Kerry?

      1. it’s always been Dems trying to pass legislation to benefit troops and vets and Republicans who oppose such legislation because they say we can’t afford it while they fight to preserve billions in tax  cuts for the rich.  

        Maybe its because Dems try to investigate the war profiteers who endanger our troops while Rs slam on the breaks because protecting the likes of Halliburton and Blackwater is their top priority.  

        Maybe it’s because for decades most combat vets serving in congress were Dems.

        My husband’s a Vietnam (Swift Boat, no less) vet and he’s voted Dem ever since I’ve known him, over 30 years now. Especially for Kerry since he knew perfectly well that everything the Swift Boat Vets for Lies said about him was total bull and that anyone who really was in the Navy, including them, must have known it was total bull.  Hint. Junior officers don’t get to just write themselves up for silver stars, for starters.

        Republicans like to talk about supporting the troops and like to use them for photo ops but kick them to the curb where it counts; legislation, funding, investigation and oversight. Smart vets know who really  supports them.

        1. I live my life outside of the veteran’s community so don’t have my finger on the pulse like SSG Dan does. I’m impressed with his advocacy and knowledge and strength on veteran’s issues. I do keep in contact with a few of the men I served with and all of them are Dems.

          In my experience, vets don’t set out to support one party over the other. They’re more interested in supporting candidates/politicians who are fighting for our soldiers in every way. Vets are looking to support candidates/politicians who are fighting for our wounded warriors when they come home (and through the years of rehab).

          We don’t set out to support one party over another, we just haven’t found a Repub who supports us.

      2. (If you’ve been hanging around this site awhile, a lot of what I’m about to post I’ve done on other threads. The pummeling about to administered to No2Dem’s beliefs will be just as enjoyable…)

        The Republican party has been at war with Veterans since the 2000 election. After Dubya assumed his stolen presidency, the first thing he did was send his apologists to the field to help sell him millionaire tax cut. And he planned to gut the VA budget to partiallly pay for it.

        Here’s his Senate Lackey, Bill Frist telling veterans that they would have to sacrifice their benefits if the country went to war in Iraq:

        “Frist says vets may need to sacrifice if U.S. goes to war with Iraq Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist pledged Tuesday to support veterans concerned about President Bush’s health care proposals, but also said veterans and others will have to make sacrifices should the nation go to war with Iraq.”

        http://www.v-r-a.org/docs/Sacr…

        Among other things that Repub administration proposed at the same time was a tiny increase in the VA budget, but increasing fees, cutting out Priority 8 Veterans and above and charging any vet who made more than $24,000 a yearly fee of $240 to use the VA, EVEN IF THEIR INJURIES WERE SERVICE CONNECTED.

        It got even worse for Vets with AWOL VA Secy Nicholson running the show. Convinced that there was rampant fraud in VA Disability benefits, he ordered a review of all vets getting compensation for PTSD, even though all the evidence available to the VA indicated there was none. The letter that was sent out telling these vets they might lose their only source of income resulted in a number of them killing themselves.

        http://www.vawatchdog.org/milc…

        But did the AWOL POTUS and his VA Secy do anything? No, Nicholson was busy spending his time as a Republican Fundraiser, and not doing anything to help the VA. (He was the head of the RNC prior to being appointed the VA Secy, which is a good a qualification as a Horse Trader running FEMA.) His stellar management resulted in (among other things) the loss of a Laptop with almost every enrolled Vets personal data.

        But the VA was underwater with claims by then. So what did Secy Nicolson do when confronted with the evidence? Lie.

        Secy Nicholson finally resigned from the VA in 2007, after almost taking the organization withh him.

        Let’s move from the Executive Branch to the Congress. With a Republican Majority, (including all three branches after 2006) you’d think that Repub lawmakers would take care of vets, right.

        WRONG.

        One of the great features of the DAV’s website is the Stand Up For Vets Politician Vote Tracker. The DAV tracks both houses of Congress on their votes on veterans issues. But only those bills that the DAV (and all the other Service Organizations, thru the Independent Budget, found here: http://www.dav.org/voters/Inde… as important to vets and their families, AND have told that member of Congress it’s important.

        You can look here: http://capwiz.com/dav/dbq/offi…

        So, I’m going to handicap it towards Repubs – in 2007, with both houses of Congress and the Presidency (which would prevent those dastardly Dems from blocking the Repubs from passing vet friendly legislation),  what was the average record under these highly favorable and partisan conditions?

        ZERO.

        No, not even an F. ZERO – the majority of the “take care of the troops party couldn’t even muster an F. The exact count with this awesome score was 200….70.4% of the 284 members of the GOP in the House and Senate. One member managed to score 83 – but he’s not a Repub anymore (Specter.) One got 60, six got 50, and none of them got 100%

        So, 2.8% of Republican’t members of either chamber support the troops.

        Contrast that with 207 Democrats who received a perfect grade with the DAV – 100% on ALL votes important to veterans. THAT looks like an ass kicking.  

        So if, Veterans Issues had been important this election (and they SHOULD be, since we’re still in two wars) which side of the aisle would you want in Congress working for you, based on the 111th session:

        http://thehill.com/homenews/ho…

        http://www.liveleak.com/view?i…

        Congress does bad, but Repubs do horrible. The Orange Man has a D, as does the GOP Senate Minority Leader. Mr Tea Party, Sen DeMint has failed two times in a row. And the Senior Repub from Arizona, “Top Gun” McCain? His last full session just ended, and he barely avoided a zero with a 20.

        So, No2Dem, you can see that Repubs can GIVE A SHIT ABOUT VETS.

        2. ….KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, may have killed more American Servicemen with contaminated water and faulty electrical wiring in showers than insurgents have in firefights. The problem is that most of them don’t know they’re dead yet….

          KBR knew of Oregon soldiers’ exposure to cancer-causing hexavalent chromium in Iraq

          Documents exchanged in an Oregon lawsuit suggest that Kellogg, Brown and Root managers had medical tests proving workers at an Iraqi water treatment plant had “significant exposure” to a cancer-causing chemical, and managers worried about KBR’s liability as a result.

          The minutes of an Oct. 2, 2003 meeting about blood and urine tests from workers at the Qarmat Ali plant contradicts KBR’s long-standing claims that there was no medical evidence of harm. The documents also indicate KBR’s top health, safety and environmental manager knew plant workers continued to use the toxic chemical long after health alarms were raised. While piles of the corrosion fighter containing hexavalent chromium blew in the desert wind, the workers inside mixing the material wore gas masks.

          Hundreds of National Guard soldiers were deployed early in the Iraqi war to guard the civilian contractors. Thirty four Oregon Guard soldiers were among those who didn’t know the orange dust was dangerous and have sued KBR. They claim they now suffer breathing, skin and stomach problems and face greater risk of cancer. Last month, the Oregon soldiers added Halliburton to the suit. KBR was a subsidiary of the oil and construction giant at the time. The suit claims Halliburton employees oversaw part of the industrial process under KBR’s billion dollar no-bid contract to restore Iraqi oil.

          http://www.oregonlive.com/heal…

      3. hospital system?  Politically popular, you think?

        Vets and the public are smart enough to figure out that your man Buck was a shill for the pub FAT CATS who wanted “their cut” from the VA system.

        A bad omen for all pub FAT CATS who want “their cut” from government enterprises.

        Corporate welfare is sooo yesterday, you think?

    2. I’ve actually skated with those guys (in a sled) before.  The sticks are cool – about 30″ long with a crampon on the butt end and a shorter blade with just a little curve.  THey stick handle under their sleds and hit like trucks.

      I did about 40 minutes, and I’m in reasonably good shape – I couldn’t lift my arms above my chest for a week – it was hilarious.

    2. EIGHT COMPLETELY BADASS VETERANS YOU’VE NEVER HEARD OF

      Veterans Day can be a slippery holiday. Unlike Memorial Day, which gets a barbecue-filled three-day weekend to kick off summer, Veterans Day often falls in the middle of the week, isolated by days of work and crummy November weather.

      As a veteran myself, I’m often unsure what to do with the day. Call old friends and reminisce? Go to a parade? Drink a bottle of Thunderbird and cry? None of it feels appropriate, and so I end up volunteering for some kind of veterans service, because I’m pure of heart and my soul is filled with the warmth of a thousand golden retriever puppies.

      But YOU shouldn’t have to waste your Veterans Day listening to old people talk about gooks and krauts. You’re busy, which is why you’re wasting time on the Internet in hopes of reading stories about American servicemen wrecking chunks of foreign countries and taking lives in the defense of the Constitution, freedom, apple pie, and getting oral sex in Corvettes.

      With that in mind, here are eight badass American vets you’ve probably never heard of (in the interest of originality, I steered clear of military legends like Audie Murphy). All together now: U-S-A! U-S-A!

      http://www.uproxx.com/feature/…

      2. Maybe not a “badass”, but definitely my idea of the epitome of warrior courage and conscience among the vast majority of America’s service members.

  7. For all the libs out there let’s play pretend again. Please list which conservative you would vote for and provide the real democrat politician that they would defeat. No fair cheating by putting Jeffrey Dahmler, BTK, or somebody who is not involved in politics even though I am not so sure you guys would not vote for them over a republican.  

    1. I voted for three Republicans on my ballot last week. They all are good and competent people who I want working for me. I think it is appropriate to promote competency. It’s one reason why I voted for Bennet, too.

      1. Which liberal deomcrats did you vote for?  I voted for Mike Coffman, Cheri Gerou, Tim Kaufman, Jim Everson, Ted Mink, John Suthers.  So what?  What’s your point?

        1. No point really just curious and interested in your thoughts.

          However, I did vote against the dirty three and 62. Does that count  for anything in our make believe game?

      2. Just a discussion. You guys are way to sensitive. We are over a year and a half away from tearing each others eyes out again. Can’t we have a fun conversation until then?

        1. … for questioning us about what Rs we’d vote for when your Limbaugh-esque handle asserts that you reflexively, automatically vote against “the other party.”  For me to be “sensitive,” I’d have to react in some way that indicated upset; my real reaction to you is a smile and a smirk.

    3. Better qualified for County Commission.

      Voted for Repub sheriff candidate two years ago.  Better qualified.

      Voted for Nancy Doty a few years back.  Better qualified.

      But I doubt if I can find a Republican law maker that I would vote for.  Not that I wouldn’t, but the current crop of ideologues sends me running away.

      So, No2Dems, are you open minded enough to look and vote for better qualifed DemocratIC candidates?  Like Hickenlooper?  Hands down better qualified than those other two morons.  

        1. Nancy Doty and Corbin Sakdol, in Arapahoe County — on the grounds of general competence and my personal acquaintance with both the D and R candidates in these races.

      3. Do you prefer republican law enforcement or just that specific race?  

        I did not vote for Hick. I think I would rather have Ritter, but I want to hold off on that statement for now and get a better feel for Hick.

        I would like to say I would vote for a Dem if they were more qualified, but honestly I can not think of that scenario. Ok here we go maybe if we had a defector and the republican was really bad, but I don’t exactly know how that could work out the right way.  

          1. Just struggling to see the opportunity. At least I am being honest, but if I was faced with the decision I would have no problem.  

            On a side note, I hate the “conservatives” that will vote for a Dem just to punish a Rep he thinks is weak, in an attempt to “keep rep from being blamed for the failures.” I would like to tell those people to just hold your candidate accountable and make sure you are involved in caucus and the primary.  

              1. You are so sensitive!  I would love for you to get your chip off of your shoulder so just say whatever bothers you so much about me.

                No2Dems is just a philosophy kinda like WWJD. It is a guideline not what you have to do every time, but you better have a darn good reason not to and be willing to pay the consequences.  

                1. In the run-up to the election, you gained a well-deserved reputation for being a belligerent asshole.

                  You’re not going to be rehabilitated overnight.

                  Be patient.  And polite.  Stranger things have happened.

                2. Nobody is crying about anything, except perhaps you.

                  After posting nothing but unsourced talking points and generally shitting on everyone in the run-up to the election, now you expect to be taken seriously?

                  You want to be treated as open-minded when your handle is No2Dems?

                  You want respect? Earn it.

                3. You are so sensitive!  I would love for you to get your chip off of your shoulder so just say whatever bothers you so much about me.

                  I’ve made super-clear, in two postings, “whatever bothers” me so much about you. If you can’t get it, I can’t help fill the gap between your ears that your elementary school failed to fill.

                  And I don’t see how I’m being “sensitive” or showing a “ship in my shoulder,” just because I’m being kind of an asshole to you about your stupidity in demanding that Rs vote no on all Ds, but demanding that Ds say what Rs they’d vote for.

      1. Seriously though, this site was 90% troll threads until November 3rd. I’ve really been enjoying reading the discussion since then. Let’s see if we can go a whole month without “You suck!” “No, YOU suck” threads.

        2. I was trying to have a good time and better understand everybody here. Trust me it was all in fun!

          Why am I troll for disagreeing with you?  Is everybody who disagrees with you a troll?

          2. Count all the times you insulted people in this thread alone today. Do you have to take off your socks to do it? I think you might.

            And in exchange for all those insults, what substantive discussion did we get from you? Nothing? I think we did.

            In a time of soaring deficits, do you think taxes should be permanently cut for the rich even at the expense of making the deficit higher? There, that’s a substantive issue, I’m sure you have an opinion on it. The Republicans would rather have temporary tax cuts for the middle class than permanent tax cuts for the middle class. Why?

            1. About daddy issues. I can laugh at things directed my way for example the brittney spears guy towards the bill Clinton aka bj Wilson. Sorry if you guys are so sensitive that you can’t take a joke.

              I am for maintaining our current tax rates for every single person in this country that pays taxes because higher taxes for anybody means less money for people to spend at businesses for their families, therefore less money for businesses to pay wages with therefore less people with jobs!

              Maintaining the current tax rates does not have to increase the deficit. Since when do you care about the deficit all of a sudden?  Where were you with the stimulus and why aren’t you calling for the repeal of Obamacare two huge deficit increasers.  

              1. Extending the tax cuts will add billions to the deficit. No Republican has named what they will cut to offset these billions, instead they offer up the “Dems did it so we can do it” argument. Which is no argument at all. Especially since Dems added to the deficit as a necessary evil to help undo the damage done to our economy. Extending the Bush tax cuts are not a necessary evil.

              2. Go research the sources of the deficit (and the debt while you’re at it).

                Show, with facts, that the employment rate rises and falls with tax rates (you can’t).

                Show how health care reform will increase the debt.

                And, generally speaking, insults aren’t jokes. As we tell our children, if you’re the only one laughing, it’s not funny.

  9. Here’s something new.  Thought this was interesting:

    A senior Senate Democratic source told POLITICO this afternoon that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has asked Colorado Freshman Michael Bennet to head the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

    Bennet, who won an uphill battle for election to his appointed seat, “didn’t say yes, and he didn’t say no” in the Tuesday conversation with Reid, the source said. Bennet has been on a “thank you” tour of his state in the wake of his bruising campaign, but will need to decide soon on the committee post.

    Impressed with his fundraising chops? More at:

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/…

    Memo to all resident righties.  Notice the correct “Democratic source”.  Please use this correct form rather than your silly, childish, illiterate insistence on “Democrat source” etc.

    1. WATERBOARDING! Is there anything that a torturer needs more than waterboarding? Waterboarding is at the center of our torture toolchest. Without waterboarding, what would America look like? WATERBOARDING!!!

    2. I can almost excuse lifting a quote from something said at a meeting you attended, but copying quotes when you weren’t even there? Quoting McCain’s comments to reporters as though they were comments to you personally?

      I wonder what was in his old Yale term-papers?

    3. From article Half provides link for:

      In most instances of Bush’s literary swiping, he was at least present for the scene. But the point of a memoir is that it is the author’s version of events. Bush’s book is a collection of other people’s versions of events. But that’s not what Bush promises readers. “Decision Points is based primarily on my recollections. With help from researchers, I have confirmed my account with government documents, personal interviews, news reports, and other sources, some of which remain classified,” he offers. Bush, in his memoir, confesses to authorizing waterboarding, which is a war crime, so the lifting of a few passages might seem like a minor infraction. But Bush’s laziness undermines the historical value of the memoir. Bush “recollects” – in a more literal sense of the term – quotes by pulling his and others verbatim from other books, calling into question what he genuinely remembers from the time and casting doubt on any conclusions he draws about what his mindset was at the time.

  11. from TPM

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi will not give ground on her opposition to extending the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans, even as the White House and other Democrats have signaled that it might be time to compromise.

  12. “More than 70 percent of respondents to a survey sent to active-duty and reserve troops over the summer said the effect of repealing the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy would be positive, mixed or nonexistent, said two sources familiar with the document. The survey results led the report’s authors to conclude that objections to openly gay colleagues would drop once troops were able to live and serve alongside them.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/…

    1. Well, letting them be something other than stewards and cooks.

      It’s that other 30% that can become a stick in the spokes for the military.  Probably some percentage would come around in short order, realizing that the sun still comes up in the east.  Some later, some never.

      It must suck to be a homophobe, I mean racist, and have your gay, I mean black, CO pushing your ass around.

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