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October 28, 2010 03:51 PM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“O Lord, help me to be pure, but not yet.”

–Saint Augustine

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      1. I can’t think of one good reason that D’s and R’s of all stripes aren’t objecting. The other paper depends on it’s subscribers more than their lawyers – or do they?  

    2. in response to Alicia Caldwell’s post on The Spot (where the Post originally cited the Pols poll) here: http://blogs.denverpost.com/th…

      (I think I can post that link without being sent to the PB; the rules still aren’t clear to me.)

      Of course, none of my comments have actually been posted, because the major Denver newspaper would rather not have its hypocrisy exposed. Still, Ellie, I think we’re all together on this one.

      1. Asking polsters not to quote the Post and the other papers is fine, and I understand not promoting diaries with links, but asking us NOT TO EVEN LINK to those papers and discuss their articles in comments is going too far. If your lawyers are telling you that you’re exposing yourself to a lawsuit based on that, it’s time to find a better legal team.

  3. Democrats: ‘If We’re Gonna Lose, Let’s Go Down Running Away From Every Legislative Accomplishment We’ve Made’

    WASHINGTON-Conceding almost certain Republican gains in next month’s crucial midterm elections, Democratic lawmakers vowed Tuesday not to give up without making one final push to ensure their party runs away from every major legislative victory of the past two years.

    Party leaders told reporters that regardless of the ultimate outcome, they would do everything in their power from now until the polls closed to distance themselves from their hard-won passage of a historic health care overhaul, the toughest financial regulations since the 1930s, and a stimulus package most economists now credit with preventing a second Great Depression.

    “There’s a great deal on the line, and we know it isn’t going to be easy for us,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), speaking from the steps of the Capitol. “But if we suffer defeat, we will do so knowing we cowered away from absolutely anything we produced that was even remotely progressive or valuable in any way.”

    “And we will keep cowering right up until Election Day,” Reid continued. “From Maine to Hawaii, in big cities and small towns, we will collapse into a fetal position and refuse to take credit for our successes anywhere voters could conceivably be swayed by learning what we have achieved on their behalf.”

    http://www.theonion.com/articl…

    1. Not sure if that made sense, but you probably got the drift.

      It’s like that list of some thirty thing Obama did for the LGBT community but some in the latter insist it’s not enough.

      Circular firing squad, indeed.  

      1. begot the likes of Daily Show, Colbert, & Onion.

        Been rereading some old work by Doug Kenney, PJ O’Rourke, & others concerning Nixon’s fear-baiting machinations.  

        ’70’s GOP scarily reminiscent of our recent past.  

  4. “

    Let both sides join in creating a new endeavor, not a new balance of power, but a new world of law, where the strong are just and the weak secure and the peace preserved. All this will not be finished in the first one hundred days. Nor will it be finished in the first one thousand days, nor in the life of this Administration, nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this planet. But let us begin.—  JFK inaugural address

    Brought to mind because the author, Ted Sorenson, suffered a stroke, his second, the other day.

    While we fervently wish for his recovery, let us also keep the dream alive. No quitter ever won, no winner ever quit, no matter how long it takes. Two years is a blink of an eye.  

  5. In the spirit of Fidel posting perhaps the greatest video clip ever yesterday, here’s a completely non-political freaky clip from an Irish filmmaker who’s just proven that time travel exists.  He found something seriously freaky and interesting in an old Charlie Chaplin movie.

    Pols, don’t bother putting me in the box, because I’ll just go back in time and change my screen name.

    1. and you don’t have a long and lengthy record of thread- and diary-hijacking. I wouldn’t sweat it. (And I’m sure you’re being facetious, but it’s worth saying for those who might miss that.)

    4. …..and whether the cell phone towers also traveled back in time, along with the wireless service providers LOL! 😉

      Give me wodka swilling Russian airbag testers any day!

    5. I am really happy you liked yesterdays video.  I think our sense of humor is pretty damn similar. I watched that thing about 10 times.  

      Hope you survive all the election hoopla – we’ll all still be here come Nov 3.

    6. It’s not an AM/FM radio ’cause obviously it’s 1928.

      Soooo … it’s more parsimonious to postulate that there is a cell phone rather than a portable AM/FM radio in this movie because … it’s 1928 don’t ya’ know.

      BTW, did you notice the polar bear in the shadows on the extreme left of the shot? Clearly this was a fore-shadowing of the effects of global warming if the industrial revolution progressed to the level of producing ubiquitous cell phone use.

        1. What conversation was she trying to hear, given she’s walking alone?

          I prefer the time traveling cell phone theory as it demonstrates the 1920s were no more substantive than our own era. 🙂

  6. by Nate Silver at NYTimes.

    Haven’t read it all (yet) but thought this was a relevant passage in response to the people who have been touting the efficacy of robo-polls over live calling:

    Automated surveys are associated with lower response rates (indeed, probably very low response rates.) It can feel like a bit of a chore to (literally) push buttons to answer a “robopoll,” particularly in the absence of a live human being to help coax you along.

    The lower the response rate in a survey, the greater the risk that that the people who do complete the poll are not representative of the electorate as a whole – the name given to this is response bias. [emphasis in original]

    Looking forward to the results from the CP/RBI poll on this later today.

  7. In Walla Walla, Washington (which is actually a real place, not just a pop culture reference from the 40s).

    How long before some young Democratic woman in Aurora gets assaulted by an angry old teabagger? Are Buck supporters already preparing girl-punching apparatus? Are they searching for steel-toed boots on Craigslist?

    1. I’ve expressed my fear of the hard right turning violent because, for whatever reason, violent people are more attracted to right wing politics. Now that the “wave” is failing to materialize, the teabaggers are venting their desperation. Against women, no less. May I call teabaggers misogynists now?

      Someone’s probably going to bring up union violence again, so let me preemptively ask for some MSM coverage of that event. Rightie blogs don’t cut it. (I googled SEIU violence and got not one credible report that these alleged assaults ever took place, so put up or shut up.)

        1. Oh, I found hard right blogs. Their stories were supported by other hard right blogs. And guess what their sources were? Hard right blogs!

          It’s an urban myth. Get over it.

          1. A Tea Party guy gets a bit rowdy in a confrontation and he’s a thug, but a string of beatings by the SEIU are just urban myths. My gosh you guys are blind. Do some freakin research.

              1. Like the MSM is going to report anything damaging to the SEIU. It happened; it was documented; get over it. BTW, don’t you think it’s kind of sketchy that the SEIU services the voting machines in Nevada?

                2. 1) no report of SEIU assaulters –> media coverup!

                  2) reports of teabagger assaulters –> media bias!

                  Again, BJ’s defining characteristic: imperviousness to facts

      2.  – Are female Tea Partiers misogynistic?

        – As for the the wave failing to materialize…..if the Rs winning 50+ seats in the House and 7+ in the Senate isn’t wave-y I don’t know what is.

        Curious as to what your threshold is? How huge would the R surge have to be to qualify as a ‘wave’?

        Sincere question, not being sarcastic Ari.  

        2. Not just the fact that it’s not materializing here, but I lived in Seattle for eight years and I’m quite familiar with Dino Rossi and Patty Murray. In this case, the extremely close polling has probably coupled with Rossi’s twice-failed bids for governor (one of which infamously came to two recounts, the second of which gave it to the Democrat Christine Gregoire by 133 votes, leading to charges that the Democrats in King County stole the election), probably aggravated the assailant and led to the assault.

          Nationally, Dems may take it in the shorts. I’m waiting for the final results – I just don’t think it’s going to be that big of a runaway, even now with less than a week to go.

          1. And btw I don’t disagree with you about the penchant for violence on the right. I’ve been worried about the President’s life since Election Day 2 years ago.

            All this rhetoric about ‘Second Amendment remedies’ is dangerous talk. I wonder if Sharon Angle will wear a weapon into the well of the Senate when she gets sworn in?

      3. I heard on TV (Matthews?) that women, catholics and independents, who normally vote democratic are trending republican.  I can’t cite the source as it was TV.  Has anyone else heard this?

        I don’t like the trend, but it would confirm my analysis that the abortion/gay focus was going to have a backlash.

        I hope so much Wednesday am, that I have egg on my face, instead of real tears.

  8. Dale Peterson is back. And this time he’s defending yard signs with his shotgun. Too bad we can’t have him here in Colorado defending Ken Buck signs.

        2. I just left them up.  A couple strolled by and asked” “What kind of people would do that?”

            I answered with the truth: “That’s the kind of people who are supporting Ken Buck.”

            Guess who they are voting for?

  9. Sorry to diary-whore (No PB for that right?) but as the only source for the story is the Paper that dare not mention its name, I assume this can’t be front-paged:

    Susan Greene, opinion/lifestyle columnist in The Major Metro Daily has a column today which breaks an important story which is going unreported anywhere else.

    The state’s Republican majority Board of Education has applied for an “abstinence only” sex education grant from the federal government.  HB1292 passed in 2007

    Requires school districts, family resource centers, and teen pregnancy prevention programs that offer instruction regarding human sexuality to adopt science-based content standards for such instruction.

    The Board of Ed received approval for their application from Republican Attorney General John Suthers after the government questioned the board’s authority to make the application instead of the Executive branch.

      1. is not pregnancy prevention, it’s indoctrination in righteous living.

        Regardless, the story is not so much about the issue, it’s about whether the legislature makes the state’s laws, and the AG’s office enforces them.

          1. Still, in the 3+ months I’ve been lurking here, Libertad strikes me as second only to the Beej in his ability to get under peoples’ skin – and thereby keep those eyeballs on the site as advertiser bait…..

                    3. made of people who want to hear bjwilson explain how the universe was created in six days.  

      1. He violated the rule that was named after him, was suspended from the site, and continued to use the site afterward under a different user name.

        Steve Harvey was banned for less, and many lesser-known users have been banned for the same reason. Violating the rules by itself is treated less harshly than flaunting a suspension with a sockpuppet.  

        1. that

          It’s hard to balance on a woman’s head.

          Although I’m pretty sure The Blogger Formerly Known as Libertad will find a way and a nomenclature to get himself back on Pols, I’m glad Pols stuck to their guns and tossed him for his blatant terms of use violation.

          1. Why? What happened to your exhortation to civility and your peace offering?

            I’m not even a tiny bit in the mood to bicker with you, so you might as well keep doing it on your own.

  12. http://www.politico.com/huddle/

    Perhaps if Rep. DeGette wanted to be in leadership she should raise more money and do more to help other Democrats.  DeGette is sitting on a huge war chest while the Democrats may lose the Majority in the State House and two of her Colorado Congressional colleagues are headed down to defeat. If you want to be a leader Ms. DeGette than act like one

      1. To be fair, being in a leadership position does not in fact make you a leader.

        She’s a Deputy Whip who can’t pass her own pet bill… for some reason.

        Actual House aside, leadership doesn’t stop at the Capitol steps.  That seat could be put to much better use here at home and, very arguably, in D.C.

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