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May 06, 2020 06:49 AM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

  • 27 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“It is not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.”

–David Hume

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27 thoughts on “Wednesday Open Thread

  1. The President Is Unraveling

    The country is witnessing the steady, uninterrupted intellectual and psychological decomposition of Donald Trump.

    “What this means is that Americans are facing not just a conventional presidential election in 2020 but also, and most important, a referendum on reality and epistemology. Donald Trump is asking us to enter even further into his house of mirrors. He is asking us to live within a lie, to live within his lie, for four more years. The duty of citizenship in America today is to refuse to live within that lie.”

  2. Probably everybody is aware already (and even if not, it will come as no surprise), but the Colorado Supreme Court followed up on Monday's ruling that Michelle Ferrigno Warren was not eligible to be on the June primary ballot with a nearly identical decision yesterday that Lorena Garcia will not be on the ballot either:

    “While we recognize that the circumstances that made signature collection more difficult this year are unprecedented, we do not have the authority to rewrite the Election Code in response to the COVID-19 virus,” the court wrote in a decision handed down Monday in the ballot-access case of another Democratic U.S. Senate candidate. “… The Election Code’s minimum signature mandate requires strict compliance.”

    Garcia claims she is going to take it to the Feds.

        1. Lawyers.

          . . . And, the propensity towards chaos of allowing them to assert never-ending  “justificationS” or “extenuating circumstances” for special exceptions or considerations to every procedure, rule, and law.

          But, mostly lawyers . . .

            1. First things first. The petition process is not an election. Validation of a petition is nowhere near as rigorous as validation of an election. It is a statistical process. Not every signature on a petition is validated; just a sample of the total submitted is verified.

              But as far as elections go, here is a summary of the technology:

              https://www.usvotefoundation.org/E2E-VIV

              A coronavirus vaccine is currently an unsolved problem too. Are you giving up on that as well?

               

              1. BIG difference

                Coronavirus is a hoax. Fake news

                Whereas petitioning on to a ballot is real.
                And if the real is difficult – so be it.

                Personally, I have no resistance to the current petition standards. One quibble – a statewide candidate like senate should be able to skip the boonies, only gather signatures in the front range (and Aspen) and just not be on the ballot everywhere.

                 

    1. Joe, as usual, is on point: 

      From his FB post today:

       

      My response: 

      Lorena Garcia​​ was close to qualifying for the ballot when “Shelter in place” was ordered. She turned in almost 14,000 signatures with almost all volunteer gatherers. (I was one) That’s real grassroots campaigning. My understanding is that ~ 4,000 signatures  were invalid for the usual silly reasons: misspelled addresses, inexact names that didn’t match voter registration, illegible signatures. With Covid restrictions, it was impossible to personally reach out to signers to fix these. My understanding is that her lawsuit asks for room for alternative means to the ballot in cases of national emergency such as a pandemic. Seems reasonable to me. If it was Hick, Pols would be all over it, crying about the unfairness of it all.

      I thought and think now that Lorena Garcia would be a great, wave-making, shake things up Senator. 
      That isn’t going to happen now, although the chances were always slim. 

      The statute for how candidates get onto the ballot needs to change. As Joe said, it functions as a filter, letting only well connected “safe”, usually white, usually male,  usually wealthy candidates through. We desperately need other faces and voices at the table in this critical time. “No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.” – Albert Einstein

  3. In other good news that's sure to make our resident troll require another diaper change:

    Former Gov. John Hickenlooper leads U.S. Sen. Cory Gardner by 18 percentage points in Colorado's U.S. Senate race, according to a poll from Colorado firms released Wednesday.

    The Keating-Onsight-Melanson poll of likely voters, made available in advance of its release to Colorado Politics, shows Hickenlooper with 54% support to Gardner's 36% in a hypothetical head-to-head contest, with 9% undecided and 1% picking another candidate.

    https://www.coloradopolitics.com/quick-hits/new-colorado-poll-shows-hickenlooper-widening-double-digit-lead-over-gardner/article_a3ce89ec-8f9b-11ea-8374-cb87df3f5a13.html

    1. That just means that Romanoff's lead is at least 25 points.

      You should change your pants too since you're celebrating so prematurely.

    2. I petitioned for Bray. I suspect that the petitioning candidates lacked the statewide network that would be required to mount a volunteer signature-gathering effort. 

      Paying for signatures may guarantee a slot but it carries the taint of 'buying an election' as opposed to grassroots authenticity.

      It's a statewide race to represent the state. Candidates should be able to exhibit strong evidence of statewide support.

      Being able to pay for signatures is yet another election law that should be changed. Allowing online petitions (with much higher thresholds) would help. 

  4. On the proverbial other hand, the Colorado Supreme Court has removed two nuisance leftie candidates from the ballot, giving Andrew Romanov a one on one shot against the Big Hick in the primary.  The weaker Gardner looks, the more likely liberal voters are to favor Romo, despite his history of losing big races, over the so far invincible Hick.   Pols had a good point, however, in that Republican triage managers may pull the plug on the hapless gardener.

    1. The "invincible" Hick you mentioned dropped out of the presidential race, never having managed to get ANY traction. The anointers of Hick as the next Colorado senator run the risk of eating that crow.

      Time will tell.

            1. Ah, thanks for clarifying that!

              Any reason, you, think Hick couldn’t “do the math,” . . .

              . . . before he lost “did the math”?

        1. Don't forget – primaries are different from generals. Remains to be seen who will appeal to the largest number of Democratic and unaffiliated voters by June 30. 

          Don't forget – Randy Baumgardner defeated a competent, smart Republican in a primary a few years back, and it took years to drag his worthless @$$ out of the legislature.

      1. Denver Post talked about the race when the court initially had put some of the "COVID-19 limited" candidates on the ballot, saying things were uncertain.  Hickenlooper and Romanoff were assured places, others might or might not make it.  The article concluded:

        Of course, as Saunders noted Wednesday, all the usual caveats apply here. There are two months to go and these are unprecedented times. Wild things can happen. Some already have.

        I take it as a relatively bad sign that there have been at least a couple of polls out conducted not mentioning Romanoff, and his campaign has not responded with any polling info or, as far as I can tell, much else.  The campaign website has a "In the News" page with the most recent item being on January 24. 

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