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February 15, 2020 12:40 AM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion.”

–Anatole France

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      1. Also aside from purposefully turning New York real estate into a luxury good so that now 300 New Yorkers a day move away while investment condos sit empty?

        ''If New York City is a business, it isn't Wal-Mart — it isn't trying to be the lowest-priced product in the market,'' a draft of the speech reads. ''It's a high-end product, maybe even a luxury product. New York offers tremendous value, but only for those companies able to capitalize on it.'' https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/08/nyregion/mayor-says-new-york-is-worth-the-cost.html

        Results:

        From 2011 to 2019, the average price of a newly listed condo in New York soared from $1.15 million to $3.77 million. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/01/american-housing-has-gone-insane/605005/

        The stock of unsold luxury property piles up in New York https://www.ft.com/content/db675edc-c7f2-11e8-86e6-19f5b7134d1c

        20% of New York Storefronts vacant. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/09/06/nyregion/nyc-storefront-vacancy.html

      1. Finally! . . . 

        . . . ‘bout time!

        But, please don’t forget about that self-righteous, all-knowing, unapologetic rich-white-guy authoritarianism??!! . . .

        How often have we heard it being said that we need to start acting and doing things more like the Ttump and the Republicans????!!!  R&R? . . . 

  3. New York Times:

    Bloomberg’s Billions: How the Candidate Built an Empire of Influence

    Some of his biggest endorsements have come out of cities that have been focal points for his philanthropy. In the Bay Area, Mr. Bloomberg’s foundation has distributed dozens of grants to museums, dance companies and climate organizations, while his political donations have funded school board candidates and referendums to tax soda and ban e-cigarettes. San Francisco’s mayor, London Breed, endorsed Mr. Bloomberg last month, hailing his “ability to beat Trump.”

    According to a chart prepared by the newspaper, Bloomberg has also contributed large amounts around Denver, Boulder, Fort Collins.

     

  4. My, my, my…….

    The Bloomberg haters are in a feeding frenzy. Racist! Misogynist! Gentrification! Billionaire! A Republican!  You folks must really be worried about his standing in the polls.

    He's not my candidate – at least, not yet. (He does carry a lot of baggage.) Still hoping Amy sees a big infusion of cash and rising poll numbers.

    But if Pete, Amy, Elizabeth and Joe keep splitting the sane wing of the Democratic Party allowing Bernie to keep winning plurality wins, they should drop out and support Bloomberg.

    1. When moderates attack Sanders I don't smugly say, "Must be worried about his standing in the polls." I figure they genuinely disagree with his policies and see him as a step in the wrong direction. Or dislike his style. Or both.

      If you think that the facts being pointed out are wrong or insignificant either refute them or point out what policies or qualities you think are good about Bloomberg.

      1. R&R did not address the points raised. He is using a Distract and Change the Subject Argument.

        Stop and Frisk is a racist policing policy. Racist because it is differentially applied depending on your race.

        As Trevor Noah points out, there is some weird white-people gaslighting going on, as in: "What do you black people mean about stop & frisk? I've never been stopped, frisked & hands-on-the-wall. Cops aren't like that. I see a cop, and I just say hello officer, and he says hello back."

      2. Polices, schmolices…..politicians change those like they change their underwear.

        Even Elizabeth Warren has learned to triangulate between Medicare-For-All and the ACA. (To which I say, “Good for her. And the rest of us!”) 

        My only concern is seeing that Trump is not re-elected. Sanders is simply unelectable. At a time when we should be picking up some senate seats, we will probably break even. We may even lose the House if Bernie is the nominee.

        (Do you really think Jason Crow or any of the others who picked up GOP seats in Nov. ’18 will want to be associated with him? LOL)

        Like I said, I would prefer several other candidates before Bloomberg. But if you give a choice between Bernie and Bloomberg, I’ll go with Mayor Mike.

        BTW, Bloomberg has apologized for stop-and-frisk, and many in the community which was affected by it (hint: not white liberals living in Park Hill) have apparently accepted the apology.

        1. You and Bloomberg are asssholes. Not good for the country.

          "… only concern is seeing that Trump is not re-elected …"

          What would that look like – if it was true?

          It would not be condescending, superior sumabitches telling everyone of course they'll support the D nominee – anyone but Trump, but really if it's candidate X, they'll just write in candidate Y or vote 3rd party or just stay home…

          This is how parties are split

          It would look like this
          I wanted someone else but if Michele Bachman is the D nominee, I'll enthusiastically support her.

          The rest is just egocentric superiority and sumabitchism – you know who you are. Well – you don't, but everyone around you does.
          Do all your sentences start with I?
          Do all your memories start with I?

          Do all your voting preferances start with I?

          Fuck you and your I.

          Please stop dividing and trashing the only hope there is to win – the D nominee, no matter who it is.

          It's your last choice – get a tshirt and get in the street.
          It's your 4th choice, not your first – get a tshirt for you mom and get her in the street too.
          You just don't like the winner -get a dozen tshirts, give them to other egocentric so called Ds who hate Trump and get them in the street

          Its the only way we win.

           

          What I see is a bunch of rich entitled a-holes looking ahead to 24 and how many great choices there will be then.
           

           

           

          1. "What would that look like – if it was true?"

            This is the short list. And I know I'm overlooking stuff:

            No Gorsuch or Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

            No massive tax cut for the uber-wealthy.

            No undercutting the ACA.

            No moral equivalent when it comes to ANTIFA and the Nazis.

            No wall.

            No feeding family members at the public trough.

            If you really think Michelle Bachman could win the Democratic nomination to run against Trump, you are more stupid than I thought you were.

            When Michelle Bachman actually wins the Democratic nomination, I'll face that dilemma.

             

             

             

    2. 100% vote for who you think is best.

      Bloomberg berated a female employee who had trouble finding a nanny. “It’s a f—— baby! . . . All you need is some black who doesn’t have to speak English to rescue it from a burning building.”

    3. Bloomberg carries specific baggage typical of an Old, Rich, Republican, White person. On what Democratic planet is he an appropriate candidate? Oh, Ego-Billionaire row.

      The attack ads write themselves: "All Bloomberg quotations are reported verbatim".

      I guess on the good side, Bloomberg will further split the the Democratic Party, preventing any of the establishment candidates from consolidating delegates. This will make a brokered convention more likely.

      There isn't really a moderate wing, is there? Slight policy differences. Moderately different branding differences. Very different degrees of approval from traditional Party power brokers.

      I figure Elizabeth Warren will be the brokered candidate who can unite the Liberal wing of the Party with the Establishment wing.

    1. If the "moderate" choice really is Bloomberg (I'm waiting to see if he actually wins Nevada or if Biden is less dead than people are assuming or Klobuchar actually has momentum, or Warren is still in it) I'm voting Bernie. He's a better candidate than DietTrump.

    2. Yeah, that McGovern. . . .

      . . . I mean, a South Dakota Democratic Senator who wanted to end that war  immeasurable decade-long military, moral, and fiscal, CF disaster in Vietnam???

      Where was a billionaire New York Republican savior of the Democratic party when we really needed one in ‘72?

      SMH.

      (Bernie should hope, in his wildest wild dreams, to be one-tenth the person, and one-half the Democrat, of George McGovern, IMHO.)

        1. In my lifetime, this country probably didn’t have another Presidential nominee as clearly fundamentally honorable, good, and as decent, again until Barack Obama.  
           

          (Carter being close in there.)

          1. I did not get to vote in 72.
            Or 82 or 92

            McGovern sounds like a great guy.  It is almost hard to believe that being such a great guy did not mean that he would beat Nixon.

            1. Sadly, Matt, the best candidate often does not win. Big Money sees to that.

              I have managed or advised many campaigns in years past. In some cases, our clearly superior candidate gets crushed. It is like that in a bright red community like Mesa county. Our local Republicans always seem to elect the worst and dimmest instead of the best and brightest.

              Dealing with that can make you cynical.

               

            2. If George McGovern ever failed at anything in his life, it was a failure to understand how vile, and destructive, and despicable the fascists can be when they are allowed to control the narrative, and get to define what is, or isn’t, patriotism. That was also the same failure of the Democratic party, then.

              They have truly been the party of deplorables long before Putin, and Putin’s bronzered puppet, got their hooks in it.

              It pisses me off when, after all we’ve learned and all we should have learned, anyone still unthinkingly uses “McGovern” as some kind demeaning insult.  It dishonors a truly honorable man, and it shows our continued ignorant acceptance of the vileness of the fascists, and the smears they concoct.

      2. I was doing high school extemp in 1972 and drew a topic on the Democratic nomination.  Still remember the thesis of the speech "Every 4 years, the circus comes to town"… 

        No billionaires … it was back in the day when people who wanted to be President had to show some skill within the realm of government.

        Wikipedia thoughtfully documents the primary votes of 1972 … Candidates were:  Humphrey, McGovern, Wallace, Muskie, McCarthy, Jackson, Chisholm, Sanford, Lindsay, Yorty, Mills, Fauntroy, Kennedy, Hartke, Mink.  At the convention, Mondale and Clark also had a delegate each. 

        Lindsay was the party-switching mayor of New York that year. He wound up with about 1% of the primary vote and no delegates. 

      3. McGovern may have been the bravest man who ever ran for president.  Fighter jocks like mccain at least get to fight back.  Mcgovern piloted a wwii b-24. You just sat there, flying straight and level into the flack so your bombadier could aim, and died by the thousands.

        Cowards like Trump aren’t fit  to lick his boots.

        1. McGovern flew 35 missions out of Italy. My Dad was a WWII B-24 pilot out of a different part of Italy, with 60 some missions, and wouldn't tell stories. 

          I did some reading … saw pictures … found some oral histories from people in nearby units.  Statistics are pretty grim.

          crew arrivals in the European theater … 30,450

          Heavy bomber "losses of all types" in the European theater …

          Combat & accident … 9,439

          Retirements … 10.090 (got the mission numbers and rotated out of combat)

          Other … 1,215  (wounded & returned home, MIA/POW, transfers to other theaters)

          [the rest were still active at the end of the war — demobilized & sent home]

    1. Well written – thanks for the link.

      Her analysis of how her chosen candidate can win is too complicated and subtle.
      Warren wins if everyone votes for her.

      Same for Bernie. Or Bloomberg. Or Pete or whichever is the nominee.
      If Ms Mosberger-Tang sits it out because she doesn't get her now preferred choice – she should write a follow up about how four more years is better than a bad D.

  8. Sorry, Gran.  You've been a peach, but…

    1. big crowd- bigger than 4 years ago.

      Joe Salazar was surprised more than once by the raucous cheers he was getting

      In the spirit of support the D nominee no matter which,  I am planning to attend Pete's event too but I have a work conflict for  Warren's
       

       

      1. Crowd size felt a bigger to me too – and more kids and more babie

        Seems like Pete and Warren should be in Nevada this weekend – all week, really, considering Nevada caucus is allowing early preference polling this year, which should be complicated interesting.

        Choose D, no matter which.

         

  11. These dumbfucks who grow and make things, amirite!?!

    1. ouch
      Last time I heard someone say that out loud was a bbq at the Legion hall in Rantoul IL

      I know the local police and nearby Air Force base secrity police got into it. I know at least one guy spent the weekend in lock up waiting on a judge Monday. ANd I know at least one guy got a pretty raucous roughing up. The keg was about good as new once we got it iced again. 

      1. I have a garden. I can reliably grow enough vegetables to feed myself through the later part of summer with minimal store purchases. It is ?$%^& hard work. Doing it at scale to turn a profit? Nothing but respect for that set of skills.

      1. You need more than one? . . .

        But, all that can be easily ignored because, anyway, it’s the unconscionably undertaxed, super wealthy, would-be autocrats who make this country really great . . .

        . . . just ask any one of ‘em!

        1. You need more than one? . . .

          Not at all! The ham-fisted, rip-roaring old school GOP-style racism is more than sufficient all by itself. The rest is sort of a reverse gilding the lily. Still, the sheer volume of negative info is impressive … in a sick sort of way.

      1. Gawd. Of all weekends to be offline in Mexico talking to Anarchists about hemp policy! Bloomberg couldn’t possibly wrought more damage on the farm economy than the OD has so far. I’m guessing a small group of us tech-savy farmers circling Bloomberg’s CO headquarters with GPS-guided tractors (John Deere green, not red) all the way from Yuma County just might do the trick? 

            1. The irony is the POTUS they worship today’s only claim to fame in the technology space is using his opposable thumbs and galaxy brain on the Twitter machine.  If you’ve seen the cabs of today’s tractors and combines they look like the inside of a rocket ship. I’m 100% certain that one billionaire running for president might be able to find the key and start an engine – I’m not so certain about the other. 

      2. Skinny – you might enjoy today’s cartoon by Rick Friday.  Missed on a few good folk is this could have been drawn using the present occupant when he claimed that all farmers needed to do was go out and buy more land to meet the China demand. Why buy more land when we could increase our production by just dropping a bigger turd in the hole?  😜                                               
         

         

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