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February 04, 2020 06:52 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I accept chaos, I’m not sure whether it accepts me.”

–Bob Dylan

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23 thoughts on “Tuesday Open Thread

  1. Interesting to see the responses of various campaigns …

    Biden – “Well, the Iowa Democratic Party is working to get this result — get ’em straight,” he told supporters in Des Moines.”And I want to make sure they’re very careful in their deliberations,” Biden added. “And indications are — our indication it’s going to be close. We’re going to walk out of here with our share of delegates.”

    Biden’s deputy campaign manager and communications director, told CNN’s John Berman Tuesday morning that the campaign has “real concerns about the integrity of the process.”

    Pete Buttigieg said late Monday local time that “by all indications,” his campaign is “going to New Hampshire victorious.”  “What a night. Because tonight an improbable hope became an undeniable reality,” he said at his Iowa election night party. “So we don’t know all the results, but we know by the time it’s all said and done, Iowa, you have shocked the nation.”

    Klobuchar:  “we just had an excellent night tonight in Iowa. Of course, we don’t know the results yet. Minor problem. But other than that we know that we did incredibly well,”

    Sanders “Let me begin by stating that I imagine — have a strong feeling that at some point the results will be announced,” Sanders told the crowd. “And when those results are announced I have a good feeling we’re going to be doing very, very well here in Iowa.”

    Warren:  “It is too close to call, so I’m just going to tell you what I do know,” she told the crowd.   “We don’t back down,” she said. “We meet big problems with even bigger solutions. I’m here tonight because I believe that big dreams are still possible.”   Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s campaign manager Roger Lau said they will provide photographs and “other raw documentation of the results” to the Iowa Democratic Party “to help ensure the integrity of their process.”

    Yang: “As a candidate, I know you want to see what happened. And I know the rest of America wants to see what happened,” he said.
    “I particularly feel for so many volunteers and supporters of the campaign who worked their hearts out over the last number of days and weeks and even months. And so it’s, you know, it’s not what anyone would want.”

    Bennet, meanwhile “skipped out on Iowa’s first-in-the-nation caucuses Monday to hold his 47th town hall in New Hampshire. He says he’s hoping to finish in the top 3 in the state’s Feb. 11 primary.”

    1. My guess is this was a very basic app. It could be piss-poor implementation or piss-poor design. But I don't think we can rule out someone meddling with the software. Some reporting this morning is suggesting that the app was reporting partial results due to a coding issue. It would be SOOO easy for a Parscale (read Trump/Putin) plant somewhere along the line, injecting confusion into a Democratic Party process. 

      1. I'm reminded of something Scotty said on one of the Star Trek movies. "The fancier the plumbing, the easier it is to clog up the drain."

        That was right after he removed a couple of screws from the new trans-warp drive and left one of the Enterprise upgrades dead in space.

    2. Commercial and private companies are, admittedly, much better and more highly skilled at covering up and not publicly acknowledging their failures and incompetence. . . 

      . . . er, at least since around the window of 1998?

    3. I've worked professionally in software for 18 years and I can say with certainty that you should not use software for anything

      — Stephen "😭” Woods (@ysaw) February 4, 2020

      As a 33-year veteran of the software wars, can confirm.

      1. After 40+ years in the industry starting with college, and working at some of the top companies, there is a solid 50% that should not be allowed near a computer terminal.  That rises to about 80% when it comes to consulting firms (including the big boys).  They put their least trained, junior programmers on high pressure projects at stupendous billing rates.

        Testing often consists of low volume, low user count run-throughs.  Scalability and stress testing is given short shrift when deadlines loom.  It doesn't help that today's tools are essentially buggy bloatware that expands almost exponentially as features are added.

        Dr. Fred Brooks of IBM fame nailed it 55 years ago when he lamented that he should have fired the huge programming teams building OS/360 and turned the work over to his top 20 managers who at the time were the most talented, had the most recent experience and hands-on knowledge.

          1. Admittedly, this may be confirmation bias, but here's one expert's review:

            Jake Williams, a former NSA analyst now working as principal consultant for the private firm Rendition Infosec, said in an email that a LinkedIn search on Shadow shows no one “with development experience on critical infrastructure.” He added, “It looks like a huge web of ‘who knows who’ rather than ‘these folks have the technical expertise to pull this off.’ ”

            The fact, as has since been reported, that the system was never tested at full scale is simply inexcusable—a clear sign that the Iowa Dems signed the contract without first vetting the design with an esteemed IT professional or, possibly, without even knowing such vetting was necessary.

    4. I read $60,000 for the app, it wasn't "complete" until last week, and there was no trial run with those who were actually supposed to use it.  I'm sure there will be an autopsy.  I'm hopeful it will be done soon, as I understand Nevada is supposedly using "the same" application.

      Then, there was no fully developed or tested backup plan, either.  People calling in and being put on hold for an hour or more is simply stupid beyond belief.  There were something like 1700 sites in Iowa — even if each one took 3 minutes to complete a routine exchange of identifying the caller, taking the report, reading back to verify, that is 5100 minutes.  If there were 100 lines, that's 51 minutes.  There are a large number of call centers with more than 100 seats. 

    1. “We [had] a trial.” . . . 

      How Zombies Ate the G.O.P.’s Soul
       

      Think about what is now required for a Republican politician to be considered a party member in good standing. He or she must pledge allegiance to policy doctrines that are demonstrably false; he or she must, in effect, reject the very idea of paying attention to evidence.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/03/opinion/republican-party-trump.html

      . . . “He’s sorry.”

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