Wednesday Open Thread

“Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause.”

–Victor Hugo


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  1. MADCO says:

    Hey, Dems!

    I have a suggestion for you all: 

    – bank on the reasonable voters rejecting Trump

    – nominate someone who would not generally be electable (for whatever reason) 

    – don't win the Senate

    – complain about everything Nov 2020 until … well , forever

  2. itlduso says:

    Freshman Congressman Jason Crow, House Manager.


    • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

      So the data doesn't reveal if the people were more impulsive by nature or were made that way by smoking pot, which, actually renders the research moot for all practical purposes. 

      Did you even read the article?…or as I suspect, just trolling the headline?

    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

      Pusherman. Lulz. Grow up, Pfruit.  

    • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

      The study — of 23 male and 5 female "heavy users" and 6 male and 10 female non-users.  I think I may be able to spot one problem with participation selection already.

      The NBC story specifically includes:

      One thing the data can't show is whether the early starters were impulsive to begin with or cannabis use in the teen years (and after) made them that way.

      NBC then tries to smuggle in the number of crashes involving drivers with positive tests for cannabis use doubling … Without mentioning if use has gone up, or if testing for cannabis has gone up. 

      And NBC drags back in the "number of crashes going up" in states with marijuana legalization compared to states without … with no question about the statistical significance or intervening variables which could help account for the differences found by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

    • MADCO says:

      roger that


      But what if we consume all the wind? or sun? I mean, really.. what if the Ogallala Aquifer goes dry?


      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        Hunger Games? Dump huckistan becomes our modern day District 12 and our very own Katniss Everdeen, played by our favorite gun-totin’ Lori Saine, saves the district and ends up in a love triangle with Dudley (played by Sonnenburg) and an unnamed Elbert County commish?  

        Thank gawd we passed the rain barrel law (and Jerry has all those #ObamaTears stored up in aerosol cans in Logan County).

      • Powerful Pear says:

        Not to worry we can count on you to break plenty of wind.

        • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

          The good news is that technology can take that wind and turn into the low-cost energy for businesses and consumers. Why do you hate progress? (that’s a rhetorical question you don’t have to answer). 

          • Powerful Pear says:

            I look at all the news footage from WWII and the German people, millions and millions buying into the science of Jew hatred and the ayran race propaganda used by Nazism. It’s no different with climate change. A computer program is used as propaganda and given the weight of science to convince people to allow massive government intervention for the detriment of all. We know how easy people can be manipulated, just look at Duke.

            Wind is not low cost energy. We actually saw that about 5 years ago when the wind tax subsidy expired. Vestas cut their work force and closed plants. Only corporate/government welfare  keeps wind going.

            The nature of government is slavery, whether it be physically or economic. Climate change is a tool for economic slavery. Slavery is not progress, unless you are the Master.

            • Diogenesdemar says:

              It’s no different with climate change.

              Ummmmmm . . . ?????????

              This impeachment thing has really penetrated deep beyond your tin-foil MAGA hat, eh Pfruit?? 

            • unnamed says:

              I look at all the news footage from WWII and the German people, millions and millions buying into the science of Jew hatred and the ayran race propaganda used by Nazism. 

              I look at all the news footage from WWII and the German people, millions and millions buying into the science of Jew hatred and the ayran race propaganda used by Nazism. It’s no different Trumpism and immigrants. An effort to paint a group of people as criminals and rapists. We know how easy people can be manipulated, just look at Predictible Pear.

              Also, coal is not low cost energy. We actually saw that since Trump got elected when the coal mines and companies shut down. Coal companies cut their work force and closed plants. Only corporate/government welfare  keeps coal going.

              The nature of Republican government is slavery, whether it be physically or economic. Trumpism is a tool for economic slavery. Slavery is not progress, unless you are the Master.


            • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

              I apologize.  Did you say something, Pfruit? 

            • DaftPunkDaftPunk says:

              Fuck you scumbag.

              The holocaust should be compared to nothing but other genocides.

              It is not yours to score cheap political points.

              Your shamelessness is all the more ironic considering we are living through the 6th great extinction, which is a genocide against life on earth as we know it.

    • Powerful Pear says:

      So are you encouraging the Pol Cats to put there money in the hands of a group thinking banker?

  3. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    Ladies and gentlemen, an actual headline about the President of the Unites States of America. 

    Ovens should be very worried. 

    • MADCO says:

      laugh away- I predict it plays well with leave-yur-govermint-hands-off-my-Medicare demo.

      See- gubmint is so dumb they want me to buy a dishwasher that they approved.
      First- I don't need a new dishwasher, I been married for years. (hee-haw)
      and B – if I want a dishwasher, I don't need no govermint approval.


      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        It will play well in Wray. Praise #WhiteProsperityJesus for Pres David Dennison and the millions he’s pumped into Yuma County to own the libs. 

        My depression-era grandfather could never wrap his head around the concept of a dishwasher. My grandmother, well into her 80’s at the time, got bold one day and went to the local appliance store and bought one and had it installed while gramps was out in the field.  I’m not sure he ever forgave her. 

      • Genghis says:

        Oh, yeah. Well do I remember those million-teabilly Hoveround regattas that were popular after Obama got elected. The "gubmint best keep its filthy mitts off my Medicare" crowd hasn't disappeared, nor has it gotten any smarter or better informed.

  4. MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

    My Twitter is blowing up this morning from tweets by nearly every major ag group. Apparently *rump has kinda fixed what he broke?  Does this mean the recipients of the billions in extortion payments have to pay them back? (jk). 

    • Diogenesdemar says:

      Quid pro quo . . . 

      . . . ‘Cuz fair’s fair?

      (And, anyway, it’s always easier when you’re using OPM. Especially when the overwhelming bulk of that wiil go directly into your corporate buddies’ pockets — just like tax cuts!)

    • harrydobyharrydoby says:

      While Trump sprains his shoulder patting himself on the back, economists roll their eyes:

      Trump himself was quick to tout the benefits of an agreement he hailed as a “really incredible breakthrough”

      Yet, billions in tariffs will remain in place, hurting the economy. The added duties imposed over the past two years — which were meant to bolster domestic manufacturing and punish China — were “approximately 100 percent” borne by American consumers and importers, a paper by three economists recently found.

      While the agreement may help Trump score political points to carry into his reelection campaign as evidence of his dealmaking prowess, others argue the main benefit of the first phase of the agreement is simply to unwind the damage the president himself has inflicted.

      “The administration has pulled back from escalating the trade war, and I guess that’s a positive thing. But they started this all in the first place,” said Daniel Griswold, a senior research fellow at George Mason University’s Mercatus Center.

      “It will be very difficult to get China back to the negotiating table on the real big issues,” said Agathe Demarais, global forecasting director at The Economist Intelligence Unit. “At the moment, China is playing a waiting game.”

      It has taken two years of this trade war to get this nothing burger of a Phase I agreement in place (much like NAFTA part deux).  There is no chance that Phase 2 will happen before November, so the tariffs on $370 billion of Chinese imports we are paying for will stay put for at least another year.


  5. JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

    Post Opinions invited the Democratic presidential candidates not on the stage in Des Moines on Tuesday to add their thoughts to a key exchange in the debate. Here are the responses from five of them

    Here's …..Michael Bennet

    The moment: Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) says, “We need a candidate who will excite all parts of the Democratic Party, bring everyone in and give everyone a Democrat to believe in.”

    In the debate, we heard a lot of talk about electability — about who is best positioned, on experience, track record and ideology, to beat President Trump. That’s the question that every voter is asking, and that’s what I have to offer.

    I’m the only candidate in this race who has won two elections in a swing state that is a third Democratic, a third independent and a third Republican. That’s different from running in Massachusetts or Vermont.

    In Colorado, you can’t win by making empty promises or fanning the ideological flames on social media. You win by building a broad coalition around a progressive, widely supported agenda….

    He goes on to tout his "Real Deal" …

      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        I realize this isn’t a popular opinion here but I have a lot of respect and admiration for MB. This is a tough  and unforgiving cycle but I would be an enthusiastic supporter should he pull this off.  #VBNMW

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          yes   I do too.

        • JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

          I don't mind his ideas. But months and months of campaigning have not moved the needle, and he remains at less than 1% in polling aggregates —

          I'm sort of thinking that the banner on his campaign webpage saying "we need to raise $700,000 by January 16 to have the resources to compete in New Hampshire" may be a threshold.  If he doesn't have that money, he'll decide (following other Senators) that there is no path to victory so he will suspend his campaign.

      • DENependent says:

        Bennet is wrong about what being elected in Colorado means.

        For one thing he got 48.1% of the popular vote to 46.4% for Ken Buck in 2010. If he were to get those kind of popular vote numbers nationwide that’s a Republican win in the Electoral College. Though to be fair, 2010 was not a kind year for Dems.

        And his second ‘win’ was a reelection campaign against Darryl Glenn. In that race he managed to just barely miss a majority with 49.97% of the popular vote.

        Colorado Democrats like Bennet have been blessed by repeated Republican total faceplants. The Rs put up their second and third string players for statewide office while trading anyone with even an ounce of charisma or benching them. Glenn is a perfect example of that.

        Lastly, his campaign in 2010 did not exactly give me confidence that he knows how to build a “broad coalition around a progressive, widely supported agenda”. All he did was basically use a money hose to spray the message, “Abortion rights, abortion rights” over and over for months. It worked, and maybe there is some single issue to just hammer the Republicans on nationally that could win, but it’s not what he’s trying to sell in his response.

        He might make a perfectly competent government executive he has not convinced me about his electable credentials.

    • You can apparently win in Colorado – at least once – by trying to avoid all answers of substance.

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