Weekend Open Thread

“Only a small rich fringe hates Social Security for disincentivizing 80-year-olds from seeking full-time employment.”

–Alex Pareene

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  1. allyncooper says:

    Iran now says airliner crashed due to "engine failure" caused by a missile hitting the engine.

    All Governments Lie


    • Diogenesdemar says:

      I think, technically, that gravity was what caused the plane to crash . . . 

      . . . gravity and “bad neighborhoods” . . .

      . . . so, it’s really nobody’s fault???

    • JohnInDenver says:

      Seem the official explanation isn't becoming a whitewash.  The Guardian:

      Reuters is reporting that Iran’s Fars news agency has published a report on the protests in Tehran, which have sprung up following the admission that the passenger plane was shot down. This is unusual as the agency, which is widely seen as close to the the powerful Revolutionary Guards, rarely reports on anti-government unrest.

      The report said protesters were chanting slogans against the nation’s top authorities and that demonstrators on the street had also ripped up pictures of Qassem Soleimani, the prominent commander of the Guard’s Quds Force who was killed in a US drone strike.

      And from Twitter,

      Another video from the protest at a university in the Iranian capital where students call for justice over #Iranplanecrash “Resignation is not enough. Prosecution is necessary.”

    • MADCO says:

      Who was onboard?

      Were they named int he Panama Papers?
      Did they have a US security clearance?

      Who benefits from anyone onboard not being around?

    • harrydoby says:

      There's slightly more to it now:

      “Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guard’s aerospace division, said his unit accepts ‘full responsibility’ for the shootdown. In an address broadcast by state TV, he said that when he learned about the downing of the plane, ‘I wished I was dead.’

      “He said Guard forces ringing the capital had beefed up their air defenses and were at the ‘highest level of readiness,’ fearing that the U.S. would retaliate. He said an officer made the ‘bad decision’ to open fire on the plane after mistaking it for a cruise missile.” AP

      • Blackie says:

        "Mistakenly thought the plane was a cruise missile"?

        Well, that reveals how well trained the Republican Guard is  — sorta like the Republicans in the U.S. 

        • spaceman65 says:

          Hey, remember the US Navy's 1988 debacle.  

          • MADCO says:

            This isn't that.

            This time lots of people knew it was a missile at the time.
            US technology could definitely detect a missile launch. And there are several regional allies who have that capability.

            Sure- it may not matter that there were other failed attempts, namely in Yemen.
            It may not matter that Israel was notified before the US Congress.

            Who was on board?

          • Meiner49er says:

            The carrier group the Vincennes was with was operating in 20% of its prescribed deployment space given the confines of the Gulf (50 miles rather than 250). An accident like that was a foregone conclusion. Can't quite say the same for ground-based detection systems regardless of whose they are.

            That said, there's still not much excuse for mistaking a passenger aircraft for a cruise missile, esp. given the advancements in technology since the downings of the 1980s.

  2. harrydoby says:

    Besides the White House fact checker, guess what the easiest job is in the Trump administration?

    “Stephanie Grisham: Trump’s Press Secretary Who Doesn’t Meet the Press,” by NYT’s Michael Grynbaum and Katie Rogers: “In six months as press secretary, Ms. Grisham has held zero briefings for reporters. When she does give interviews, she prefers to leave the West Wing via a side exit and is driven to a studio, rather than walk toward the cameras outside the White House and risk encountering a journalist along the way.

    “Outside of appearances on Fox News, the One America News Network and the Sinclair Broadcast Group, she rarely goes on TV.

    • MADCO says:

      Ivanka Trump's portfolio includes a few key components: women's economic empowerment and working family issues, workforce development and promoting STEM education and combating human trafficking. ( Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner use personal email for government business. )


  3. Genghis says:

    When they turn the pages of history
    When these days have passed long ago
    Will they read of us with sadness
    For the seeds that we let grow?
    We turned our gaze
    From the castles in the distance
    Eyes cast down
    On the path of least resistance

    ~ Neil Peart (1977)

    Happy trails, fare thee well and RIP, Professor.

  4. JohnInDenver says:

    A single page with photos and names of influential politicians and various affiliated types … Politico: The Deaths That Shook Politics in 2019 Remembering the notables who died this year — and why they mattered.


    Seems like a particularly large set of losses.  Or maybe just that way since I knew of most of those mentioned this year … a few of them for their long commitment to "good government" and opposition to partisan warfare for the sake of partisan winning.

  5. RepealAndReplace says:

    The gloves are coming off…..


    This was bound to happen. Bernie would be running away with this race but for all the votes Warren is siphoning away from him. (Biden, of course, has a similar problem with Buttigieg, and to a lesser extend, Klobuchar.)

    • MADCO says:

      22 days – IA (and early voting in CA)

      30 – NH
      (early voting TN, NC, NV)

      34 – NV

      (early voting AR, TX, AZ, WA)
      41 South Carolina

      50 days to Super Tuesday


      It's about time.

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