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January 03, 2020 10:41 AM UTC
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This assassination was insufficiently strategic for Mike.
Killing your way to peace in the Middle East just takes the right plan, y’all.
Wow — something grand enough to displace news coverage of a couple of appellate court arguments about Congress' power to get information, added details on the events leading to impeachment, a decline in the manufacturing sector, news of a record year of lay-offs due to bankruptcies, and Sad!-ministration moves to get people off SNAP benefits and reduce requirements for cities to work on fair housing (ending discrimination).
Not bad for a snap decision without notice or consultation with Congress and (apparently) most allies in the region.
Lindsay Graham knew. Trump discussed it with him over golf days in advance.
I am not necessarily in favor of reinstituting the draft, but how much different would the average citizen's reaction be to this event if there was one? Most of us are completely shielded from any serious consequences as a result of this type of reckless foreign policy in the middle ease. The stock market may go down, gas prices may go up, but we do not need to worry about dying in "the war to re-elect Trump™."
Exactly the mealy mouthed mildly treasonous crap I expected from Colorado Pols. At least Michael Bennet has the guts to oppose America outright. Colorado Pols dishonors the victims of Qassem Soleimani and won’t even admit he was a bad man.
This man killed Americans. If you mourn his death you should find another country.
Perhaps it is you who needs to find a different country being that you seem so involved with the internal affairs of our's, товарищ.
When do you ship out? Obviously this fight is critical to you and you've enlisted.
Oh, dearie me, no! A candy-ass such as Poddy would assume the fetal position and whimper like a 3-year-old with a skinned knee at the very thought of participating in actual armed combat.
Hell, he probably soiled himself reading the comments about how he should sign up after his latest show of stupidity.
Yep. Here's hoping our little cupcake enjoys the smell of his own urine.
lol
Let's try Informal Fallacies for $400, Alex.
"If you mourn the death of Qassem Soleimani, you should find another country."
What is a laughably ham-fisted example of the straw man fallacy?
*ding ding ding ding*
And, of course, Nutlid thinks it's 2002, not 2020.
And Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction because he saw Faux News report on a suspicious-looking trailer in the Iraqi desert.
Can you identify any of the Americans 'this man' killed or is this just more parroting by you of Republican not-impeachment talking points as you sit in your filthy underwear scratching your immense belly?
Soleimani was the architect for Iranian material support of anti-coalition forces during the Iraqi occupation. Such support consisted of weapons and supplies (including explosive formed penetrators), training and military advisors. He did directly contribute to the deaths of hundred of US servicemembers. For these reasons his death is acceptable.
But that totally disregards the second and third order effects that his death will bring. The two previous administrations considered taking out Soleimani but chose not to likely because the felt that such an action was too destabilizing for the status quo. He was a known known, his death will result in a shit-ton of unknown unknowns.
The same could be said of any American general. Assassinating this general because of an "imminent threat to America" makes no sense and hasn't been supported by briefings to Congress.
The "shit-ton of unknown unknowns" will be exacerbated because of the illegal way he was killed.
The potential for a cyber attack on US businesses and/or infrastructure has significantly increased.
That's what I expect, itlduso. Cybersecurity teams are on high alert for such attacks. They know a well-educated handful of state-sponsored hackers can do more damage in the modern world than dropping even a couple of large bombs on American cities. Screw up a couple of power grids, mess with airline routing maps, phreak a phone system and watch the chaos ensue.
If the stories about the pardoned SEAL including the one about him chopping off a teenagers head and posing with it like he was a Borneo headhunter are true than there is the possibility that Soleimani troops believe they are defending all Arabs from genocidal murderers. Gallagher bragged when he shot Arab women in the head that the "Burqa's were flying". If Trump pardon's war criminals then are we really being honest when we say that Arabs killing Americans are pure evil and it is always acceptable to assassinate them?
I don't mourn the death of Soleimani. I mourn the death of the separation of powers that had served our country so well.
This from the guy who is totally cool with Russian interference if it furthers your fascist goals. Thinking this was a bad idea isn't mourning his death. Just like if the US carried out an airstrike that killed Putin: I would think that's a bad idea, but I definitely wouldn't mourn his death. I know you would, though.
So, are you actually going to make use of yourself and instead of posting insipid shit while getting paid with my higher tax dollars (courtesy of your party) and go fight in Trump's war to win reelection?
He and PPear should enlist together. They can help him destroy the U.S. and hundreds of years of progress. Given 4 more years, this country will be fully in the grasp of the T***p crime syndicate.
I hope everyone can see what is going on here. Everything he does is motivated by his ego. The stupidity will continue as long as he lives.
Pear pretends to be against foreign intervention now. But 3500 people have been deployed already for $rump’s posturing and desire to “take the oil”. How many of them will lose their lives, health or sanity in this latest war?
Yet still Pear does not waver in his support.
Nutlid, this man would like to meet with you:
Uncle Sam wants . . .
. . . our 4F nutlid???????
Trump defends Putin: 'You think our country's so innocent?'
"won't even admit he was a bad man".
Show me, you lying sack of excrement, where anyone on this site said anything of the sort. I would insult you, but you ARE an insult, so it seems redundant.
note: referring to Fluffy as a lying sack of excrement is not an insult…except, of course, to excrement.
After reading about how the actually competent liars of the Obama and Bush administrations gaslighted the country about Afghanistan, seeing these rank fucking amateurs prevaricate so utterly incompetently is hilarious.
[Soleimani]:
Right, Mike, the dozen terrorists, of which 15 were Saudi. Absolute fucking imbeciles.
Forgetting, of course, that the 9/11 Commission found no reason to believe Iran or Hizbullah knew anything about 9/11.
They assume that their loyalists are ignorant, paranoid, don’t pay attention, and don’t remember. Unfortunately, this is an accurate assessment.
Pence also overlooked the Sunni/Shia divide — As WAPO points out "the idea that Soleimani would assist in 9/11 — knowingly or otherwise — doesn’t add up, given he was Shiite and the hijackers were Sunnis."
Is it true that the hijackers were Sunni?
Saudi Arabia is Wahhabi, a radically conservative and well-funded sect which opposes many Sunni ideas. Saudi Arabian Wahhabi clergy were instrumental in setting up religious schools on the Afghan-Pakistani border where they trained the Taliban. Wahhabi schools are also feeding radical ideas into countries around the world. Isis is closer to Wahhabi than anything else.
It is true that there is a Sunni-Shia conflict in the Middle East. The US is ignorantly stoking civil war rather than solving problems.
I believe that, technicalky, Wahabbi is an offshoot of the Sunni branch of Islam.
Get you a membership to Mar-a-Lago for real-time access to US military planning!
Hahahaha.
So, the "adults in the room" gave the craziest motherfucker ever to sit in the White House the "doomsday" option thinking it would reign him in.
Reminds me of the Democrats who want to let Republicans "come to their senses" because they're sure Rs will be willing to work with Dems once they realize what they've been doing.
Who is a Democratic presidential candidate whose last name begins with "B"?
You can't be referring to Buttigieg?
Bennet would seem right.
This is all so depressing.
NPR and other sources: Iraqi PM says Trump lured Suleimani to Iraq as part of a supposed Iraqi brokering of de-escalation between Saudi arabia and Iran. The General had been scheduled to meet with the PM the following morning.
If true, this adds several layers of disgusting to the tale. And at least one more violation of international law.
My very first question upon hearing the news of the assassination was…what was he doing in Baghdad? At first, we surmised he was there cooking up the plot our Secretary of State seems to be selling.
This news implies he was set up…sort of like Jamal Kashoggi.
My first question was: how did we have such great intelligence on his whereabouts, and did we just burn a vital intel asset to pull this off?
This makes it look like we burned something far more vital: our ability to negotiate with adversaries.
… aka the credibility of the U.S. State Department. This smells of Pompeo's involvement.
Right. There is evidence that Soliemani was helping to broker a de-escalation of tensions that the Saudis wanted – when he was assassinated.
Soliemani was a bad guy and a terrorist, but history is full of strategic alliances and accords with bad guys, for the greater good.
$rump appears to have shut that option down. Even Boss Putin isn’t pleased.
Iran was, of course, Russia’s ally, and Putin had a history of working with Soliemani.
For conspiracy theorists, it looks like the earlier bombings were intended to cause unrest in Iraq and provide cover for the assassination. 'Our Iraqi embassy was being occupied so we had to kill an Iranian'.
R.I.P. JCPOA
Also R.I.P.,
* our presence in Iraq, as the Iraqi parliament voted to oust all foreign troops from Iraq
* the US fight to eliminate ISIL, as we're going to be a bit busy withdrawing from Iraq and worrying about Iranian atracks
I just want to know how to prepare for the "end times" the religious wackos and their ignorant followers are bringing upon us . . . .
I would find a list where people are putting in claims on raptured peoples' cars and houses and such.
Why won’t the Iranians just star killing US generals?
Thousands. Of targets.
They probably want to actually have some impact on force readiness and morale.