Wednesday Open Thread

“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.”

–Albert Camus

20 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. RepealAndReplace says:

    Happy impeachment day to all!

    (I'm not sure that Hallmark makes a card for this occasion though.)

  2. Voyageur says:

    Impeach the stink!

    Great God Almighty,

    impeach the stink!

  3. ParkHill says:

    WOTD from Perry Bacon at 538: "What Unites Republicans May Be Changing. Same With Democrats."

    Very interesting article about the nature of the Democratic and Republican parties. The Republicans seem to be changing from an ideological Party to one based primarily on identity. The Democrats seem to be changing from a coalition of policy groups to a more ideological Party.

    Third, and perhaps most importantly, these shifts matter because America is to some extent in a partisan civil war, and we essentially have three competing views on how to end it: A Biden/Bush/Kristol style approach that downplays divisions among America’s various identity groups and reaches for more compromises; a Sanders/Warren approach of resetting America along more equal lines; and a Trump/Barr vision that is decidedly Judeo-Christian and favors maintaining traditional norms over upsetting them to expand equality.

  4. unnamed says:

    "There's just one thing that you need to know

    Trump said 'Do us a favor, though'".

  5. MADCO says:

    Rightwing group pushes Wisconsin voter purge that 'could tip' 2020 election



    Buh-bye Wisconsin

    Now the Ds must get AZ.

    • ParkHill says:

      In retrospect, Obama made several mistakes, but one of the biggest was a failure to work for stronger voting access laws. These purges work against us because our voters are more likely to change their addresses, leading to purges.

      Colorado has the second highest voting rate in the country due largely to easy registration, like at the driver's license office, and mail in voting. No-excuse absentee voting would be almost as good.

      The only way to counter the voter registration purges, is to put more resources into registration drives. That should be done nationally, but critically in all the purple and light-red states.

    • Wisconsin's voting laws are not so horrible that this can't be overcome.

      FWIW, Colorado purges inactive voters from its rolls after every genersl election cycle using the same basic rules as Wisconsin, and we have darned good participation and few problems with people not being able to vote. The system isn't perfect (have a friend who is listed as inactive even though he votes every ballot), but it's generally workable.

      • MADCO says:

        Let's bet right now –

        2020 Wisconsin electoral votes > Trump

        At least one credible, Wisconsin source, demonstrates that it was because eligible voters were not able to vote.

        $10 to the winners issue or candidate of choice.

      • kwtree says:

        I think that’s not true, Phoenix. Inactive voters are merely shown as inactive. They are still registered voters. Their names are not “purged” from the rolls. Their voting history is still accessible for the last few elections. 

        I’m writing as someone who has done a lot of voter contact and data work. Purging inactive voters was what Scott Gessler (and to a lesser extent, Wayne Williams) wanted to do in order to benefit Republicans. 

        You may be referring to the rule that “inactive” voters are not mailed ballots; see

        But their names and voting history (not who they voted for but if and when they voted) is accessible in the voter database, ready for enterprising campaigns to contact, update, and GOTV).

  6. ParkHill says:

    QOTD from the comments at Brad Delong's Grasping Reality:

    Ronald Brakels said in reply to Redwood Rhiadra…

    Human civilization is still going to exist in 2050. Admittedly, in a worse case situation it may have considerably more cannibalism than we're currently used to, but as long as large scale organizations are involved in the rounding up of feed stock, it still counts as civilization.

  7. harrydoby says:

    Republicans are one step closer to taking away your health insurance if you don't have coverage through your employer or Medicare.

    That should play well in Red states where people won't be able to afford coverage, or will get suckered into weak policies that barely cover anything at all.

    Hopefully, though, it may have the opposite effect of ushering in Democratic majorities and a President that will finally bring about universal healthcare, in whatever flavor the majority chooses.

    • MADCO says:

      key takeaway: 
      Trump had  R House and Senate and and did not do anything to preserve access or coverage for pre-existing conditions. They said they would but they never did. And have not since.

      The hard truth is the Republican model has always been "free market, for profit" health insurance. Access, including affordability, was always going to be magically accomplished by some invisible hand slap. This model was also known as don't get sick, or if you do, die fast.

      In related news, Republicans in the Senate want to dangle imported meds from Canada again. Canadian drugs are usually cheaper because the big health care provider is required to negotiate, whereas in the USA big health care providers are prohibited from negotiating. Remove that prohibition and drugs will get cheaper in the USA, too.  So why not just remove that prohibition? If only Colorado voters had an R Senator to answer the question.

  8. harrydoby says:

    Another farce fromTrump:

    President Donald Trump has promised that the plan his administration rolled out Wednesday to bring in cheaper prescription drugs from Canada will immediately lower medication costs. Experts say the plan won’t work — and many write it off as a political stunt.

    Under the proposal, importers would need the cooperation of the Canadian government and the drug industry, both of which oppose it. Importers would have to take many expensive and complicated steps to prove to the FDA that importation wouldn’t harm Americans, and to weave through complex regulations and the intricacies of the U.S. health delivery system.

    “I think this will end up just as a dud,” said a former FDA official. “It’s not an existential threat to the safety of the U.S. drug supply, nor is it a solution to the drug pricing issue. It’s a sideshow.”

    • MADCO says:

      Canada! Canada! Canada! Canada!Canada! Canada!

      • Diogenesdemar says:

        I know, I know . . .

        . . . then we can slap some yuge tariffs on those unfair, cheap imports?!! That’ll show two-faced Trudeau whose little hands are bigliest!!! . . . 

        Seriously, somehow I don’t think creating drug shortages for Canadians, and pushing their prices higher, is going to be all that welcome? If I were a Canadian legislator, I’d push to heavily tax all drugs exported out of the country, and use those funds to keep my citizen’s drug prices low and reasonable. . . . Or, as they say up in the great white north, “Fuck you stupid Donald fat ass, and the hoser Putin you rode in on, eh!”

        • harrydoby says:

          As one of the articles I read explained, it would be simpler just to give the government the ability to negotiate prices with the drug companies.  Problem solved.  No disruption to the Canadian market or forcing redundant FDA testing and certification of drugs just to cross back over the border from which they may have originated.

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