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“Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers.”

–Voltaire

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  1. RepealAndReplace says:

    Just saw my first Mayor Mike Bloomberg commercial. He's not my first choice for president. (In fact, not even in the top three.) But he does hit on issues with positions I like: climate change, gun control, tobacco.

    Well at least he is providing full employment for campaign consultants and electronic media.

    • Powerful Pear says:

      Tobacco, are you kidding me? But don’t try banning marijuana………..man.

      • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

        Maybe because there are health benefits to the marihuanas?  As opposed to the 480,000 deaths annually from the cancer sticks?  The $300 billion annually we spend on direct and indirect health costs associated with tobacco?

         I know, math is hard. 

         

        • Powerful Pear says:

          Great news from the King of hemp, marihuanas smoke is risk free!

          Thanks for sharing.

          • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

            Stop embarrassing yourself, Pfruit. ‘Smoke’ is but one delivery system for THC, and it’s a shrinking choice. Can I ship you some edibles? Tincture??  

            • unnamed says:

              Stop embarrassing yourself, Pfruit. 

               

              Michael, you're assuming Pfruit is capable of feeling embarrassed.  Our dear Mr. Edwards does not seem to have that capability.

            • Powerful Pear says:

              So marijuana smoke is not risk free? Then there must be direct and indirect cost associated with marijuana use. Cost such as increased death and injury from auto crashes, increased addiction, increased homelessness, increased insurance rates, increased youth use, increase government cost. 

              Nobody cares that you are the Colorado King of hemp. Don’t embarrass yourself in promoting marijuana use as risk free while claiming tobacco is evil.

              • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                You really don't have a clue do you?

                Who was it that said smoking Cannabis was risk free? Of course it isn't. Hence the popularity of infused edible and topical products. Smoking dried Cannabis flowers became the accepted method of dosing because it was efficient and uncomplicated. There was no R&D on efficiency and application.

                You never bring anything to this forum but misinformation and insults. 

                And…when you decide it is OK for you to insult my friend Michael, you are fucking up. Michael Bowman is an exceptional person and soul with a drive and personality beyond your ken. He is brilliant….while you seem unable to think your way out of a paper bag.

                Quit while you are ahead.

                • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                  Don't you mean the Pear should quit before he gets further behind?

                • Powerful Pear says:

                  Here is what the King of hemp quoted.

                  Maybe because there are health benefits to the marihuanas?  (Marijuana good).As opposed to the 480,000 deaths annually from the cancer sticks? (Tobacco bad).  The $300 billion annually we spend on direct and indirect health costs associated with tobacco?

                  I don’t expect you to comprehend the comparison. 

                  I doubt that Blowman needs you to defend him, he is perfectly capable, of defending and attacking anything counter to his orthodoxy, as he regularly does.

                  You my friend, are the biggest KOOK of KOOKS on the forum.

                  • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                    Tobacco and the people who sell it are evil, Pear — or there is no such thing as evil.

                    I remember talking to my late great friend Sue O'Brien as she laid in her hospital bed dying of cancer.  

                    The worst part was the shame and chagrin of having done this to herself, a 50 year suicide. 

                    Smoking is no joke.  Tobacco is an enslaver and killer.

              • kwtreekwtree says:

                Now you're just trolling. (posting outrageous crap in an effort to elicit an emotional reaction). You admitted as much to me in person, with your posts about Bluecat's "death". 

                Don't troll. You've had an impact on Colorado politics in your own way, with primarying Coffman and all, but you have had nowhere near the national and state impact that Michael Bowman has had. 

                His (and many other people's ) work on legalizing industrial hemp is one reason why Colorado's economy is booming. Farm kids may stay in rural communities because of work that he and others in the hemp world have done. 

                So it's simply not true that "no one cares" that MB is the Colorado king of hemp. And he didn't say that marijuana use is risk free – however, there are very few ER visits for cannabis ingestion, none for hemp ingestion, as opposed to all of the lung cancer and secondary smoke deaths we all know and grieve for. 

                Cite some sources for the laundry list you post: 

                increased death and injury from auto crashes, increased addiction, increased homelessness, increased insurance rates, increased youth use, increase government cost

                I really haven't seen any studies on the topic. As far as increased youth use, they're all into vaping (tobacco), which is nasty, and opioids and pills at the dangerous end. There just isn't much "cool" to be had in using the same meds that grandma uses for her arthritis pain. If they are nibbling on edibles, it isn't impacting their school performance that I've seen.

                Anecdotally, I see  far fewer students abusing cannabis, getting stoned at school, than die every year from alcohol-related driving or opioid abuse.

                Also, you might try actually reading and quoting what people actually write, rather than speaking for them and extending what they say into some ridiculous, hypothetical future. 1 and 3 do not make 17, no matter what V says. 

                 

                • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                  Face it, kiwi, flightless birds suck at math!

                • RepealAndReplace says:

                  Kiwi, he never actually qualified for a primary. Insufficient support among the GOP assembly/ convention delegates. You are giving Roger more credit than he deserves.

                • Powerful Pear says:

                  https://www.huzlers.com/59-people-die-of-marijuana-overdose-in-colorado-and-washington/

                  https://www.factcheck.org/2016/08/unpacking-pots-impact-in-colorado/

                  https://gazette.com/news/mixed-findings-on-colorado-marijuana-traffic-deaths/article_ec6a8f4c-a722-11e8-9c81-17b5312abb33.html

                  Ask your insurance agent if retail marijuana is a factor for increased rates, mine said yes.

                  My parents were heavy smokers. Smoking may kill but I’ve not heard of a traffic death caused by smoking.

                  It seems there is little interest in comparing the bad consequences of smoking marijuana with tobacco, don’t want to go there. That’s why Blowman uses the medical aspect to promote marijuana.  It is disingenuous not to list the direct and indirect cost to society when advocating/promoting marijuana.

                  To be clear, I don’t oppose legalizing marijuana, just don’t sell the upside as something great and wonderful and hide the consequences.

                  That’s all I was trying to say in my own way. You people are so tightly wound, take a break, it’s all in good fun.

                  I’m sure you would agree.

                  • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                    Well, well. We have sufficiently ‘poked the Pfruit’. Thanks all for the kinds words. As for Roger, I’m pretty confident there are *zero* health benefits to smoking cigarettes or using ‘snuff’.  Conversely, there are multiple medical uses for marijuana.  My world is predominantly the spectrum of cannabis that is below .3% .  You, dear man, took what I posted as a response to your idiocy and ran it through your leaky MAGA filter.  I’ll say it again, “stop embarrassing yourself”. 

                    • Powerful Pear says:

                      Blowman. Do you advise people to drive when they are stoned?

                    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                      I repeat myself Pfruit: Stop embarrassing yourself.  Rule of Holes applies here.  

                    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                      Duplicate. Deleted.

                    • Powerful Pear says:

                      Blowman. No violence, no beating, see how easy that is. Your new name is Pusher Man. 

                    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                      Lulz.  

                      Roger, Roger, Roger.  You seem a little tense this morning.  Maybe you haven't had your special time with the Hawaiian wonder yet? (don't forget to flush 15 times and leave the lights off, I hear they tend to created an orange tint to objects). 

                      I like Pusher Man.  We'll keep pushing to clean up the messes your ilk have made and look forward to the day when red hats are wearable again.  

                      I'll drop a prayer for you this morning in Mass but I'm afraid my iOS Jesus may struggle communicating with your 1955 FLOW-MATIC version of the gospel.  

                    • Powerful Pear says:

                      Blowman. Can’t you at least try an adequate rebuttal, like individual responsibility?

                      Would you advise someone you love to drive when they are stoned? Not a particularly hard question.

                    • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                      A question so moronic it doesn’t deserve a response other than to call out your sophomoric retorts. It's akin to me asking you if you still beat your wife? Do advise people you love to beat their spouses? 

                  • MichaelBowmanMichaelBowman says:

                    When you finish with your Israeli homework, try next to absorb this data then come back to discuss?

                  • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                    WE are tightly wound? You're kidding..right?

                    Tying to provoke liberals is a time-honored tradition among the knuckle-headed right…I get that. But I sense an edginess to your rhetoric. A desperation, I dare say.

                    Oh, by the way…that you consider me the KOOK of KOOKS is gratifying. 

                    Oh…one more thing. Referring to me as "my friend" doesn't take the stink out of your assholery.

                    • kwtreekwtree says:

                      You’re spot on as usual, Duke. The Pear has gone full-on troll now: attacking popular members of this community, (the divide and conquer tactic) , deliberately provoking verbal fights, distracting and diverting from political discussion. 
                       

                      Why now, I wonder? And what is the payoff? Surely it can’t be that fun and worthwhile just to make a bunch of Libs angry….doesn’t he have a business to run or something?

                      As for our friend Michael, he’s surely been called worse by better people- he’ll bear up somehow.🥴
                       

                  • kwtreekwtree says:

                    I don’t know, Pear. Do you advise your truckers to drive when they are tweaking on meth, like this guy? Most truckers don’t, but some do, in spite of mandatory drug tests. 

                    My question makes about as much sense as yours (below) does. 

                    Did your insurance rates go up, and your agent is blaming the increase on legal cannabis? If so, he’s ripping you off. The data is inconclusive in Colorado – more people definitely are consuming cannabis products, but there is no correlation with traffic deaths or ER visits.

                    Even that Fact-check article you yourself posted said that more Colorado drivers have THC in their blood, but this isn’t necessarily correlated with impaired driving or accidents, since accident prone tend to also be drunk.
                     

                    School suspensions for cannabis use are up, but there is no correlation for fighting or anti-social behavior. Youth, unfortunately, are subject to random pee tests, locker searches, and other invasions of privacy, just because they are a relatively powerless social class.
                     

                    Anecdotally, veterinarians report that they are getting more dogs in bad shape from consuming their thoughtless owner’s edibles. Don’t leave the goodies laying around for the pups. Cats have more sense. 

                    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

                      kwtree wrote: "the data is inconclusive in Colorado…….there is no correlation with traffic deaths or ER visits."

                      I would tend to agree with that and would add my thought that the "war on drugs" has been, and continues to be, a near total waste of money.

                      Is marijuana dangerous? Consumed in massive amounts day after day, probably. Sort of like the lab rats that got cancer when given the equivalent of 400 cans of Diet Pepsi.

                      For what it's worth, I've tried drinking coca leaf tea and chewing coca leaves on trips to Bolivia. The tea was good and I wouldn't mind having coca leaf tea here at home if I could get it. But, not even a hint of a buzz from either chewing or drinking.

                    • Powerful Pear says:

                      I’m not the one promoting that marijuana is so wonderful while tobacco is so evil. Check with Blowman.

                    • VoyageurVoyageur says:

                      Tobacco is suicide on the installment plan.

                      Alcohol is pleasurable and managable to most of us, devastating and life crushing to about ten percent of our users.

                      marijuana is the least destructive of the three.  That doesn't make it good.  In heavy use, it causes shit for brains.  In casual use, probably ok.  I won't use it because of severe asthma.

  2. JohnInDenverJohnInDenver says:

    $30 million in Presidential campaign ads.  $100 million for "Impeach Trump" ads (which only have Bloomberg voicing the "I approve this ad" tagline).  On-going support for gun control and climate change efforts (apparently WITHOUT a personal role in their advertising).  Additional money thrown in to run his campaign — but I've seen nothing about campaign approaches such as a "ground game" anywhere.

    Perhaps this will be the real-life presentation of the (considered but not created) Max Headroom for President movie.

  3. Powerful Pear says:

    Pelosi, when asked if she hates the President, she responded that since she was raised Catholic that she rejects hate and prays, loves all people………..as long as they made it out of the womb.

  4. spaceman65 says:

    Pelosi blew it.  Should've said, "yeah, I hate the corrupt, criminal motherfucker, and his fucking impeachable offenses.  Gonna impeach his ass."

  5. ParkHill says:

    WOTD from Josh Marshal at TPM: "It's the Republican Party on Trial, Not the President"

    I have always assumed President Trump will be acquitted at his Senate trial. I’m completely fine with this. Or, rather, I accept that this is the reality of the situation, not a failure on the part of the constitution or those defending it. It is not Democrats who are on trial here. It’s actually not even Donald Trump. The proof of his guilt is obvious and overwhelming. It is really the Republican party that is being judged. The only remaining question is whether there is anything the President can do which the Republican party, in its current, more overtly authoritarian and white nationalist form, will find unacceptable. All indications are that there is nothing they will not accept from Donald Trump. It is the opposition’s job, in view of an impending national election, to put them to that test and make that clear. 

  6. HakimHakim says:

    Trump is a madman.

    He fosters hate everywhere, like that exhibited at Metro State college towards praying Muslim students.

    https://www.cair.com/cair_colorado_calls_for_disciplinary_action_after_muslim_msu_denver_students_harassed_while_praying

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