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June 26, 2010 03:04 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

  • 118 Comments
  • by: Colorado Pols

“When I get ready to talk to people, I spend two thirds of the time thinking what they want to hear and one third thinking about what I want to say.”

–Abraham Lincoln

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118 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. Did anyone else get tired of the endless tributes, interviews and stories about Michael Jackson in the last 24 hours or will the crowd roar, “off with her head.”

    1. Depending on what you grew up with. He will always be that kid who sang with the Jackson Family (I grew up in Motown).  I still can’t believe how popular he was.

      In D.C. the Fox TV station celebrated its 20th year anniversary so the combination created memorable day.

    2. so no opportunity to be tired of it.  I employ the same technique for reality shows.  Except Deadliest Catch. To quote poor Jake, “I’m an addict”.

    3. endless tributes,interviews, and stories about Michael Jackson on TeeVee and I missed it? Darn…

      No, Ellie, it isn’t just you.

      Just another example of the banality of the 24 hr. news cycle.

  2. I found this article quite interesting. Here in Sanctuary City we have an administration reaching out to 40% of the parents to set the expectations.

    About 40 percent of the district’s 79,000 students come from homes where English is not the primary language, and many of those students have parents who speak no English at all.

    But they do turn on the radio regularly.

    Spanish-language stations attract a high listenership in the Denver-Boulder area, and DPS is riding their popularity to convey information about the district.

    “When you have parents who work at a restaurant, hotel or construction site, they tune into the radio and it’s on all the time,” said Alex Sanchez, director of DPS’s multicultural outreach office. Sanchez is the host of “Educa,” a one-hour program produced by DPS that features information about the district’s initiatives, events and issues.

    Meanwhile we likely have another 10-25% of the parents that are Russians (mafia), Asians (triad or engineers), Muslims (successful businessmen, taxi drivers, and an occasional terrorist) and Black Africans (Hutu or Tutsi). For the most part hardworking Illegal Aliens will likely be in need of the same free and enhanced government services – just how does DPS plan to cover this?

    What about the Americans – blacks and whites (usually paycheck earners of the government or some business)? They are part of the 50%+ DPS dropout problem.

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_1

    80,000/12 = 6,667

    6,667*51% = 3,400.17

    Over 3,400 DPS students are dropping out each year. Based on DPS numbers that’s out 1,360 Illegal Alien children that are dropping out and giving up on their free $7,000/year high quality education. Almost as bad are the 2,040 Americans that give up on that free education and are stuck in low paying $3-10/hour jobs.

    1. that flows here is wholly intolerable in itself.

      Life is truly “Black and white” to libertad.

      no color not even grey.

      sad really sad.

    2. In my household, all of us speak Spanish. I was born in Chicago almost 51 years ago, to parents who were both born in Chicago almost 89 years ago. My daughter was born in Denver. My wife was born in Mazatlan, and is a permanent legal resident of the United States (eligible for citizenship at her convenience).

      But since we all speak Spanish, do so on a regular basis, and enjoy Spanish language television and radio, we’re all illegal aliens, right?

      1. is thus a true sign that he IS an idiot.

        How about Anglo (inbred cracker racist).  Luckily for the rest of us, I like to think Libby and his trash do not reflect most of us born with less than sufficient pigment for the land we now occupy…

    3. to get parents informed and involved in a harder to reach segment of the community. Spanish speaking radio is already in place and thriving.  Somebody had a brilliant idea for using an available tool.  

      The fact is, other minorities don’t necessarily have the same convergence of well established radio presence and widespread radio listening habits. This a very sensible way of using what you’ve got  to address a particular problem, instead of being locked into a one size fits all cookie cutter mentality.  Bravo!

    4. about computer classes in Spanish at the Curtis Park Community Center.  I was the computer center director.

      The response was overwhelming, I had to stop enrollment in like a day.  Since my Spanish is so minimal.  I had to have the instructor help me, and I turned the voicemails over to him.  Many came in at night.

      My instructor? Oh, he was illegal……  

  3. Wow! Today a politician who only spent two thirds of the time saying what people wanted to hear would never get elected. More like 90%/10%. Of course if you’re a Republican pol and you think Rush is wrong about something, that drops to 100%/0%.

  4. From their mission statement:

    A watchdog and a friend of the press

    Both online and in print, Columbia Journalism Review is in conversation with a community of people who share a commitment to high journalistic standards in the U.S. and the world.

    This is an article about mis-leading journalism:

    http://www.cjr.org/campaign_de

    Now what could be the motive for NBC to push this meme?

    Slow news day & they needed some controversy?

    It is their job to push a negative about the President?

    They don’t know what they are talking about and they don’t care, they just need to fill time?

    They just can’t believe that all the bad news hasn’t resulted in much lower polling for the President so they try to make the polling match the bad news?

    The only way that they can get on the good side of Conservatives, and Tea Partiers, is to push negative memes about the President?

    They think their poll is the only legitimate poll, and only some of the details need to be examined?

    It has been a long, busy news week and they were too tired to do more research?

    Negative reporting, true or not, is better for their (NBC) ratings?

    None of the above?  

  5. Citizen’s in Fremont NE this week moved forward with a very Democratic approach to the costly Illegal Alien problem that is costing Americans billions. Abused by bad employers for their cheap labor, their presence is used to deny thousands of American workers an opportunity for a pay check.

    This cycle of violence was halted by residents of Fremont, the county seat of the 39,000 person Dodge County.

    With widespread attention focused on Arizona’s tough new law against illegal immigration — and a measure approved this week in the small town of Fremont, Neb. — similar proposals are under consideration across the country.

    Five states — South Carolina, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island and Michigan — are looking at Arizona-style legislation, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. NDN, a Washington think tank and advocacy group, said lawmakers in 17 other states had expressed support for similar measures.

    snip

    In the first three months of this year, legislators in 45 states introduced 1,180 bills or resolutions dealing with immigrants, an unprecedented number, according to the NCSL. By the end of March, 107 laws and 87 resolutions had been adopted by 34 states, with 38 bills pending.

    snip

    Last month, the Massachusetts Senate amended its budget bill to require state contractors to confirm that their workers are in the country legally. Earlier, the Massachusetts House narrowly rejected a proposal to restrict public benefits to illegal immigrants.

    In Pennsylvania, an Arizona-style bill is in the pipeline. Although police officers must have a separate reason to stop someone, the proposal would direct them to “attempt to verify the immigration status of suspected illegal aliens.”

    South Carolina is set to discuss an almost identical measure next year. And in Albuquerque, Mayor Richard Berry instituted a similar policy, which was upheld by a council vote.

    snip

    “I’m afraid this is part of a larger, nationwide trend, most obviously typified by what has happened in Arizona,” said Amy Miller, the legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union in Nebraska, which is seeking an injunction against the Fremont law. “There is no rational reason for Fremont to be worried about protecting our border. But it is a community, like many in rural Nebraska, where the only population growth has been in new immigrants, many of them people of color.”

      1. Libby, here’s what you do.  Go to your attic, be very very quiet.  Don’t say a thing.  We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out…

    1. There is no such thing as “off the record’. If you speak to a reporter you can expect it to appear in an article.  The General and his staff are grown-ups and should not only know this but had experienced it during the last several years of invasions of foreign countries. Oh wait a moment I did forget that under the bush/cheney/rove triumvirate the so called news from the warring countries was heavily filtered and censored thereby shielding the U.S. from any leaks of reality.

      The important part of this is something very chilling to many of us; the fact that our military leaders are contemptuous of civilian control and their bosses.  At what point would the “God Syndrome” take over their thinking to the point a military coup would be the future of the U.S.?  Before poopooing that thought, who could have guessed we are suffering the level of hate, ignorance (forced ignorance – see Texas school board), and reversion to that glorious year of 1100.  

      Bush/cheney/rove fired the generals who were rational and kept the war mongers.  It is time for Obama to clean house of what bush/cheney/rove kept around.  It used to be a good thought that the best generals were those who did everything they could to avoid war. Now we are faced with those who see no way to live without occupying foreign countries and killing the population. And idiots in this country promoting hatred and using the military to create a walled country that has no free entry or exit for citizens.

      Right now I am listening to Fox “news” Sunday program and it sounds like war mongers discussing how to kill everybody who is not like them.  A big idiot and dangerous fool has said that with General McCrystal out of the way the war can be restarted in a major way and in a new direction. Sen. Feinstein is saying the civilians should not be involved and be removed and let the military run everything. She is an idiot too.

      1. about there being no such thing as “off the record.”  Whether you are running for office or are in any position which might bring you into contact with the news media – you should never assume that a request to be off the record will be honored.  Just the way it works.

        And you are also correct about the dangers of military people who resent or don’t believe in civilian control.  It’s another huge protection in this country – as is being a country of laws not men.  People need to understand the substantial risks to our future of diverting from either principle.

      2. are those who win wars so we’re not sucked into quagmires like Vietnam for years. As for generals resenting civilian control, the would probably be more respectful if we elected a competent commander-in-chief. Their men are out there dying because of stupid decisions he makes…

        1. After all, he won by the opposite strategy; running away and keeping his army intact.

          The best generals are the ones who deal with the precise context in which they find themselves, all things considered. The worst generals are the ones who think that there’s some one-size-fits-all grand strategic platitude to employ. For American generals fighting in civil wars on foreign soil, yes, the greatest danger generally is the danger that the British Army faced in our own War of Independence (but that our army did not); that of being at a disadvantage in a war of attrition. However, even that generality does not hold under all circumstances (see, e.g., the American Civil War, in which, for a variety of reasons, the South did not benefit enough from the advantage of merely having to avoid losing).

          As for generals resenting civilian control, it is irrelevant what they think of the commander-in-chief, and that is precisely the point, a point wasted on miniscule minds that mistake the ability to make noise with the ability to make meaningful noise.

            1. You’re an obnoxious idiot, which explains everything you say and do.

              As for whose knowledge of American history is more accurate, people will just have to choose whether it is the former teacher of American History, or the obnoxious idiot.

              1. who doesn’t make outrageous statements like you can win a war by running away. You’re telling me the British surrendered to Washington after he fled the field in terror? Please. No wonder we’re in the state we are today with teachers like you.

                (I double majored in Letters and Math, but took as many history classes as possible within the Letters major.)

                1. and make the one you have a bit less lonely. Only a mindless gnat like you could possibly interpret my statement to mean that Washington never engaged the British. But his strategy, officially adopted as of 1777, was to “avoid a general Action,” never “put anything at Risque”. Despite the fact that I already knew it, it took me all of 30 seconds to Google “George Washington Revolutionary War Strategy” and find reference made to it explicitly, quoting Washington himself. It was a guerilla war of attrition against an over-extended invading army, the strategy being to keep the American army intact and avoid losing the war. Once this succeeded long enough, augmented by a few well placed victories, the French saw it to be in their interests to enter the war, offering the coup de grace.

                  1. But wasn’t that back in the day when troops were expected to line up and knowingly march at each other and open fire? Washington crossing the Delaware was a sneak attack.

                    1. it was a sneak attack that wouldn’t have worked, had the drunken commanding German (Hessian) general at Trenton actually looked at the message that an insistent spy had pushed into his hand at the door of the Christmas night party he was enjoying (a bit too much). The note was in the pocket of the coat on his corpse when it was found, warning that the Americans were on their way to execute a sneak attack, one which caught the Germans completely by surprise….

                    2. The Americans from the frontier regions were familiar with guerrilla warfare and used it effectively at times.  The lack of military training was a great hindrance to effective usage of the troops.

                       At the same time the introduction of European leadership brought camp and troop discipline which was lacking.  The British suffered greatly from lack of proper uniforms for the climate (see most of US military history in all wars), improper equipment for the duty, and ineffective or worse campaign directives and rules of engagement (see US military history Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc) provided by military fighting some other war from across the oceans.  

          1. He’s at least acknowledging that that Bush was an incompetent commander in chief who put soldiers in harms way because of stupid decisions.

                    1. that he was intentionally posting annoying nonsense, because no one could possibly be that stupid and oblivious. But he’s made it clear in many ways that he both believes every word he posts, and is simply too stupid to process the constant demonstration of inconsistencies and of empirical and logical errors, the universal reaction to the dripping obnoxiousness of his toddler-level comebacks, and the universal contempt that he personally engenders.

          1. I thought he was going to win the war and bring our troops home? Nope, just another Dem talking point to sucker the anti-war types into voting for Obama. The Taliban is stronger than ever.

        2. What does that mean, exactly, BJ?

          The old definition went something like this:

          1.  Kill all or most enemy soldiers

             and accept surrender of the army.

          2.  Occupy enemy territory.

          3.  Kill, intimidate, or assimilate the

             population.

          Please tell us how your definition of “win wars” varies from that.

          Oh, and do I understand you are saying that if we had better generals, we would have “won” the Vietnam War?

          Do you ever think before you type?    

          1. because it turned into an unwinnable death trap for U.S. soldiers. I’m not sure what your point is about winning wars. It seems pretty straightforward to me. In Iraq, the objective was to remove Sadaam Hussein and establish a democracy. That goal has been accomplished.

            1. The objective was to find WMD, attack the Saddam-Al Quaida connection, and protect America from terrorists. That’s what Bush said. That all turned out to be lies.

              The real goal in Iraq was to establish a presence for American based-commerce (particularly in the “Oil bidness”), and to get revenge for an attempted assassination of George H.W.Bush. Mission accomplished.

                1. Here are some DOE numbers from late May – Iraq is the sixth largest exporter of oil to the US on a YTD basis per these figures:

                  http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil

                  I’m guessing that Iraq oil isn’t being used to “pay for the war” because it’s probably in the control of the private sector — maybe it’s paying for large oil company executive salaries instead.

            2. It was because the military brass couldn’t stand the fact that Col. Kurtz “went native”: so outside-the-box in his tactics and methods that that they had to put a cap in the ass of that sacrificial cow/ox!

              At least, I’m pretty sure that was the reason.

        3. Or chickenhawk.

          Hey beej–tell us once again why you aren’t over in Afghanistan sharing your wisdom with people who actually know their asses from a hole in the ground.  Not to mention that they’re willing to put those asses on the line.

          Oh yeah, you think you’re valuable as a pissant grad student with more opinions than balls.

          I forgot.

          1. than your pissant opinions. I again fail to see how me not being a soldier is grounds for attack. Obviously I would probably not be posting on this blog if I were over there. Unless you are advocating some sort of martial law where every able bodied young man between 20 and 30 serves time in the military, there are going to be civilians. And some of them are going to be just as conservative as their compatriots on the field of battle. Deal with it.

            1. that everyone who posts here, from across the political spectrum, and regardles of their own anymosities and grudges, seems to agree on is that you’re an obnoxious idiot.

              I served in the military (army infantry), and, like many then and now, have always been what most people would call a liberal. Your assumption that everyone in the military is conservative is just another bit of random but annoying noise from a tireless generator of random but annoying noise. You are no compatriot of the members of the military, nor of anyone anywhere with any self respect, of any ideological orientation, in any sector of life.

  6. The state uses the revenue it collects to provide various services to the state’s citizens. Buying those services through vendors, paying state employees, or transferring money to local governments and schools results in expenditures. The state tracks these expenditures in the broad categories shown in the pie chart. The table below shows expenditures for state fiscal year 2007-08 by department in the budget format with a column removing transfers. Some items (such as depreciation and certain higher education activities) are not budgeted, and therefore, total expenditures shown in the pie chart are greater than the amount shown in the table.

    What’s Hickenlooper’s businesslike plan to cut $1 billion from the state as proposed by the Denver Post this morning?

  7. Anyone remember that……

    General Fund Exempt from the Six Percent Limit:

    Section 24-75-201.1, C.R.S., restricts the annual increase in state General Fund appropriations to the lesser of five percent of state personal income or six percent over the total General Fund appropriations of the previous fiscal year. There are three specified exemptions to the six percent, or “Arveschoug/Bird”, limit: appropriations due to federal law requiring a new program or service or increase in the level of service for an existing program; those due to a state or federal court order requiring a new program or service or increase in the level of service for an existing program; and those funded from an increase in taxes or fees approved by voters. For more information, see Appendix H of the FY 2008-09 Appropriations Report.

  8. Catch Steve’s Letter To The Editor in today’s Sunday Denver Post criticizing John Andrews for his typical junk logic.

    I’d link to it here, but apparently, the staff have the weekend off, as the most recent letters appear to be from only Friday.  It’ll probably show up online tomorrow, followed by dozens of posts from the usual angry mob that believe “reasonable people of goodwill” have no place in our world.

    Nice job Steve!

    But I suspect the editors severely cropped your comments, as the lead sentence looks like it picked up about half-way through your thoughts.

          1. when you don’t care about facts or grammar.

            Their presence has burdened our social services and led to a dangerous level of crime, particularly identity theft.

            Evidence, please?

            Your advisor must be so proud.

              1. are used for the purposes of functioning in a society that demands social security numbers for many purposes, including finding employment, not for the purposes of stealing money. Even in immigration law, which is particularly harsh, an exception is carved out for this structurally-forced form of identity theft, exempting it from the category of “crimes involving moral turpitude” to which it would otherwise belong (and which permanently foecloses any legal presence in the United States).

                  1. I don’t try to alter it for particular purposes or particular audiences.

                    And precision and accuracy matter. If you try to conflate one type of theft of social security numbers for a very narrow, and non-predatory purpose with the more general class of actual monetary theft and predation, then you are simply engaging in an ideologically motivated deception.

            1. BJ-diot’s arbitrary and racist statements are the exact opposite of what the evidence shows. The majority of economic analyses and the majority of economists have concluded that, all things considered, illegal immigrants contribute more to the national economy (local, state, and national combined) than they take out of it.

              Also, comparative statistical evidence, as well as the experience of many who have dealt with illegal immigrants on a regular basis (as I did while I taught ESL social studies classes in DPS), both suggest that crime rates are lower within the illegal immigrant population than within the permanent legal resident and American citizen population.

                1. It’s one of the great tragedies of human existence, that our own worst enemy is those among us who assertively sow the seeds of ignorance and division. The movement has reached a peak in America today, with a platitude-based ideology of extreme individualism (combined, in a maximization of divisive dysfunctionality, with extreme nationalism vis-a-vis villified “others”). Whereas a form of “nationalism” can be a good thing when it fosters domestic solidarity and cooperation, it is counterproductive when it fosters international belligerence and xenophobia; rather than trying to keep the good and dump the bad, the bj’s of this country insist on just the opposite. And there is no natural disaster, no foreign enemy, no domestic criminals and parasites, no inherent obstacle to human welfare, doing more violence to our national interests and the interests of humanity.

                  1. with a platitude-based ideology of extreme individualism (combined, in a maximization of divisive dysfunctionality, with extreme nationalism vis-a-vis villified “others”).

                    I watched a few minutes of a conversation between “Bill-o the Clown” O’Reilly  and Laura Ingraham. Your quote above took me right back to that experience. I was trying to forget it.

                    I think I need to go wash my brain.  

                    1. you must promise, and I can’t emphasize this enough, NEVER to talk like that on the stump. Never ever ever…

                    2. is positive, about what we can accomplish together, and how we can accomplish it, rather than about the faction committed to preventing us from accomplishing it (though I did have a line in my kick-off speech about “the fire-breathing dragon of blind ideology”). The most important thing is to pick words that resonate with people, not to vent my own frustration over the insane opposition to simply being reasonable people of goodwill, working together to face the challenges of a complex and subtle world.

                    3. Repeat after me: “I will never utter the phrase ‘maximization of divisive dysfunctionality’ or anything vaguely similar, on the campaign trail.” OK?

                    4. “I will never utter the phrase ‘maximization of divisive dysfunctionality’ or anything vaguely similar, on the campaign trail.”

                      My stump speeches have no “academese” in them, if that’s what you mean. Soaring oratory, maybe, but academese, no. (“I’m proud to stand among people who believe that we can use government to lift one another up rather than knock one another down! I’m proud to stand among people who take to heart the words in the preamble of the United States Constitution, that we are forever a work in progress, exorted to create an ever-more perfect union!”).

                      My last one (three minutes long) was a story about a mishap on a canoe trip, and using it as an analogy for the difference between navigating the currents of progress, and struggling against them. (The laugh line, which I expected to get a spattering of chuckles, got a full-fledged room-wide belly-laugh instead).

                      No worries, Coach. Public speaking is one of the (few?) things I do well. 🙂

                    5. The filing deadline is coming up.

                      Are you going to file on time this month, or are you going to piss away the $50 you raised last month on more fines?

                      As I read your reports, with $50 in contributions for May and $50 in fines for filing late in June, you netted zero.

                      Lets hope you do better this month.

                    6. I appreciate her hard work on our campaign’s behalf, and understand that anyone can occasionally make a mistake. If her hundreds of hours of unpaid labor have now cost the campaign $50, I’d say that’s still quite a bargain.

                    7. It’s a case of very small person with a very old and tiresome grudge (born from a combination of his own bile and an ego too fragile to be able to endure having been called on it) trying to invent mud where none exists. It will never accomplish anything other than to reflect poorly on him.

                    8. …to agree or disagree with your characterization of the alleged “small person,” I was struck by the assertion that you raised only $50.  That was one of the most stinging charges, I thought.

                    9. But I’ve seen you at other fundraisers and said “hi” in my non-cyber identity.

    1. No, they published it exactly as I wrote it; I had written a longer version first, but realized that the Post has become more stringent about its 150 word limit lately (or less lenient in my case, anyway!).

      I think three of the letters I’ve published in the Post have been reactions to Andrews. The guy is a complete idiot.

  9. Is that you in the letters section of the Post?  Did you severely edit yourself or did they have to? The general consensus seems to be…. John Andrews is an idiot.  

    I have no idea why they still publish the guy’s insightless, poorly written, no redeeming entertainment value columns. I don’t even skim them anymore so those letters are all I know about the particular column.  

    I do know that there are smarter more talented righties available.  A rightie piece of toast could sit in for Andrews and nobody would notice the difference.  

    1. I wrote my reply to Harry before reading your post! And, yes, I had to severly edit myself!

      (I think my last letter published in the Post was in the “to the point” section, exactly as I wrote it. So, as I’ve always claimed, it’s not incompetence, but rather a combination of opportunity and laziness, that leads to my lack of parsimony in the blogosphere.)

      The thought in your second paragraph is the one I have every time I read his column. In the first version of the letter I wrote (which I think is on-line in the responses to the on-line column), I also said that it gave me a little twinge of shame that the last remaining metropolitan newspaper in my city (broadly speaking) would actually privilige such meaningless tripe with column space, and then noticed that my last response to one of Andrews’ columns had said almost exactly the same thing!

            1. You folks are so proud of ignoring the entire spectrum of mainstream media and getting all your news from the big Fat Idiot Brigade. Andrews has been a very major player in Colorado anti-tax, anti-government politics. Guess if it ain’t on Fox this week, you aren’t interested. But that doesn’t stop you from expressing your half baked opinions.  

          1. from leaping to his defense just because if we don’t like him he must be right, as well as rightie, so who needs to actually know who he is or read him?  If we think so little of his talent or relevance as a columnist he must be worth defending.

            A more loyal consumer of pre-packaged thought doesn’t exist.  Not even ‘Tad can compare. We know this because ‘Tad’s real forte is the non sequitur that doesn’t even make sense in the context of rightie talking points. BJ sticks to what he got in the last rightie e-mail alert.

            Oh wait. I’m ignoring the fact that BJ didn’t mean anything at all by his “keep it coming” remark or know what such a remark would be taken to mean because he also doesn’t understand sarcasm or snark. My bad.  

  10. Newspapers Retract ‘Climategate’ Claims, but Damage Still Done

    A lie can get halfway around the world while the truth is still putting its boots on, as Mark Twain said (or “before the truth gets a chance to put its pants on,” in Winston Churchill’s version), and nowhere has that been more true than in “climategate.” In that highly orchestrated, manufactured scandal, e-mails hacked from computers at the University of East Anglia’s climate-research group were spread around the Web by activists who deny that human activity is altering the world’s climate in a dangerous way, and spun so as to suggest that the scientists had been lying, cheating, and generally cooking the books.

    But not only did British investigators clear the East Anglia scientist at the center of it all, Phil Jones, of scientific impropriety and dishonesty in April, an investigation at Penn State cleared PSU climatologist Michael Mann of “falsifying or suppressing data, intending to delete or conceal e-mails and information, and misusing privileged or confidential information” in February. In perhaps the biggest backpedaling, The Sunday Times of London, which led the media pack in charging that IPCC reports were full of egregious (and probably intentional) errors, retracted its central claim-namely, that the IPCC statement that up to 40 percent of the Amazonian rainforest could be vulnerable to climate change was “unsubstantiated.” The Times also admitted that it had totally twisted the remarks of one forest expert to make it sound as if he agreed that the IPCC had screwed up, when he said no such thing.

    http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/

    1. Lies that one wants to believe are so much more attractive than the factiness that scientists accept as reliable currency.

      Consider that the British judge who reviewed An Inconvenient Truth in Dimmock v. Secretary of State for Education and Skills had “no doubt” that the defendant’s expert was correct in stating:

      Al Gore’s presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate.

      Yet, somehow the deniers have managed to convince the gullible that the judge found the movie fatally flawed.

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