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July 27, 2019 07:42 AM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Great wisdom is generous; petty wisdom is contentious. Great speech is impassioned, small speech cantankerous.”

–Zhuangzi

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  1. As readers know, we generally do not censor or even closely monitor reader comments for inappropriate interaction with other users, believing as we always have that grownup frankness and free speech are worth more than any benefit that would be provided by policing speech. This policy also helps us avoid allegations of bias against any viewpoint that wants to speak out in our forum, and our users have been good enough at moderating discussions that we have only very rarely had to intervene and even then only in truly egregious cases.

    We have no new enforcement in this regard planned for the future either; this is to remind all of our readers that their valued contributions to our forum are even better when one doesn't have to sort through a bunch of meta nastiness that most readers either won't understand or wouldn't care about if they did. We are all at our best when staying focused on the principal purpose of this blog, which is to discuss Colorado politics. Sometimes in the course of debating politics it's necessary to disagree acrimoniously, but when it gets to the point that you are no longer debating politics but simply engaging in personal attacks it lowers the value of the discussion for everyone.

    These are simply a few ideas we ask our users to keep in mind as they participate, and we thank every one of you for continuing to make this a lively forum for arguing about Colorado politics.

        1. omg.
          Seriously, OMG!

          The two spaces debate is over and old people lost.
          Apostrophe use is a fair point, although possessive speech is overused, like adverbs.

          But what about comma use?
           

          1. With the national debt at $23 trillion and rising, we can't afford two spaces after a period!  As to commas, they are a useless extravagance of the leisure class at a time when billions of semicolons are looking for work!

             

  2. * Half of Democrats favor beginning impeachment proceedings (37% of all those surveyed agree)

    * 6/10 People think that Trump lied about matters Mueller investigated (8/10 Dems agree)

    *Most also say that Trump was not fully exonerated, as he claimed, and ~ 47% said that he did obstruct justice

    *Most said that Mueller’s findings and testimony will not change their vote (for his re-election vs. Dem nominee)

    – from Washington Post summary of recent polls, Emily Guskin, the Fix

    Chart from Washington Post – ABC news poll

    1. I think we have a Chicken-and-Egg problem.  Popular support for a full-on impeachment trial is still pretty weak — 37% as you point out.  That is based on what is currently known of Trump's misdeeds.  

      Pursuing investigations on all fronts, including pressing the courts to enforce all subpoenas is absolutely the right thing to do with no downsides that I can see. 

      While I don't think the new threshold to impeach should be "Shoot someone on 5th Avenue", financial crimes (criminal conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, tax evasion, etc) would definitely burst his "populist" image in the minds of average voters.

      Just like Capone, we might not get him for murder, but prison cells hold a lot of people that commit fraud too.

  3. Not only did Trump just have to write another $16 billion welfare check to farmers (including foreign agribusiness giants) to underwrite their export market losses, Paul Krugman reveals yet more money leaving our shores due to the perverse effects of Trump's trade policies.

    Donald Trump often complains that the media don’t give him credit for his achievements. And I can think of at least one case where that’s true. As far I can tell, almost nobody is reporting that he has presided over a huge — but hidden — increase in foreign aid, the money America gives to foreigners. In fact, the hidden Trump program, currently running at around $40 billion a year, is probably the biggest giveaway to other nations since the Marshall Plan.

    Unfortunately, the aid isn’t going either to poor countries or to America’s allies. Instead, it’s going to wealthy foreign investors.

    Over all, foreigners own about 35 percent of the equity in corporations subject to U.S. taxes. And as a result, foreign investors have received around 35 percent of the benefits of the tax cut. As I said, that’s more than $40 billion a year.

    To put this in perspective, Trump’s tariffs on China have raised $20 billion so far. Even if China were paying those tariffs — which it isn’t — that would fall well short of the gift he’s made to foreign investors.

    1. The payments to farmers are often misdirected and does not give money to those who have lost the sales of their products.  Beyond the single payments is the lost markets, markets that have shifted to other producers and will not return to the US farmer.  Also, farmers losing their farms to the mega-agriculture companies.

       

      Impeachment is necessary to outline the crimes of the criminal in the WH.  Will the same be done to the other russian agent in the Senate, Moscow Mitch?

      1. Only a"civil officer of the United States " can be impeached, Nasty Woman.  In 1797, the House impeached Sen. William Blount of Tennessee for aiding Great Britain in gaining Spanish territory.  The Senate expelled him the same day, but did not try him under the impeachment clause, concluding he was not a Civil officer.

        No senator has been impeached since 1797.  Each chamber has the power to expel a member by a two-thirds vote.  The penalty does not keep that member from running for office at a future date, however.  Had he been removed as part of the impeachment process, Blount would have been prohibited from running again for federal office, appointive or elective, in the future.

        Will you settle for just expelling Mitch, then horse whipping him?

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