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April 28, 2010 03:46 PM UTC

Wednesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.”

–Gautama Buddha

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  1. http://www.denverpost.com/opin…

    Scott McInnis – seeking traction in a political swamp he helped stock with alligators – declared Monday that he “doesn’t really care” which charities received the $2.8 million that John Hickenlooper has given away since 1985.

    snip

    Hickenlooper won’t reveal the beneficiaries of his generosity because he doesn’t want the donations “politicized,” a spokesman said.

    snip

    Is the Denver mayor as moderate as he’s sounded since he began his run for governor – so moderate, in fact, he even chided Gov. Bill Ritter for succumbing to “overboard” environmentalists when drafting new oil and gas regulations?

    Maybe we’d have a better idea if we knew where his donations went.

    We do know the destination of some of the money: He gave “tens of thousands of dollars,” according to a Denver Post story in 2003, to the Chinook Fund, which he co-founded in 1987 and which has supported lots of left-wing groups dedicated to “social change.”

    snip

    So we’re to believe his fund funneled money to far-left groups (ACORN and Denver Cop Watch among them) but he didn’t necessarily support their agendas. Has the mayor made a habit over the years of supporting groups whose politics don’t comport with his own? Surely, it would be instructive to know.

    snip

    Clear enough for you? Hickenlooper contributes huge sums to heaven-knows-what causes, but doesn’t want to tell us – apparently lest we naively conclude that he actually approves of them. McInnis, meanwhile, strides about the neighborhood like a latter-day John D. Rockefeller, handing out cash to those who are “hard on their luck, or something like that.”

    Maybe McInnis is right and we should just move on to another topic.

    2. This…

      McInnis, meanwhile, strides about the neighborhood like a latter-day John D. Rockefeller, handing out cash to those who are “hard on their luck, or something like that.”

      has to be the funniest thing I have heard yet today.

      A latter day John D. Rockefeller? You come up with some crazy shit, but this takes the cake. The image of Scooter, walking around handing out money (to anyone other than his family) is a hoot. Besides, as I remember, Rockefeller handed out dimes.

      1. which would be billions now.

        Perhaps we should add ‘wannbe robber baron’ to Scooter’s growing list of monikers…

        I do have a question for the Polsters though: which train wreck campaign can li’l Tadpole ‘help’ the most with: Scooter’s or Jane’s.  Give ’em a call–maybe you can be their go to oppo guy.  

    4. Tadpole: I thought you wingnutcases hated government spending to help folks because it could be accomplished by charity.  Here are some of the groups that Chinook supports.  I know you know how to use Google, generally the first step I assume of your mindless cut ‘n’ pastes:


      9 to 5 Colorado, Denver

      9 to 5 Colorado is a grassroots organization created to address the issues of women directly affected by low-wage jobs, wefare, low-income child care, nonstandard work, unemployment and discrimination.  Our mission is to improve the workplace for women and strengthen the ability of low-wage/no-wage women in Colorado to win economic justice.

      Alamosa Riverkeepers

      Alamosa Riverkeepers’ mission is “to strive for a clean functional river system which benefits the conomic, ecological and recreational needs of the community.”

      Colorado Anti-Violence Program

      The Colorado Anti-Violence Program is a grassroots, community-based organization working to end violence in all its forms against lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer communities throughout Colorado.  Our primary programming areas are training and education, community organizing, documentation and reporting, and direct victim services.

      Comite En Defensa Del Pueblo

      The committee in defense of the people is a group of workers, united forjustice for immigrants and the end to oppression in all its forms.  We work in our community to promote social unities and to eliminate any kind of discrimination, using education as our primary tool for liberation.  We work to unify they voices and needs of our community towards structural changes in the laws, that they respect human dignity in all its forms, the essential right to work, and the security of the family.

      I don’t think Hick is on the program staff (I hear he’s a busy guy), so I doubt he has any say over where the money from Chinook goes.  But are you really so mindless in your cut ‘n’ paste, cut ‘n’ paste, that you can’t even keep your wingnut talking points straight?  

    1. Especially when you oversample Dems. [Emphasis mine.  All mine.]

      Why did Obama and the Democrats still manage to hold more trust over their GOP opponents?  The pollster talked to more of them, that’s how – and more of them than they did in the last poll, relative to Republicans.  In the March 26th poll, the WaPo/ABC sample had a D/R/I split of 34/24/38, giving Democrats a partisan advantage of 10 points in the poll.  This time, the sample’s split went 34/23/38, and even the independents split in favor of the Democrats, 19/17, up from 17/17 last month.  Just to give some perspective, the partisan gap from their November 2008 poll just before the election was nine points – and 26% of the sample was Republicans, compared to 23% now.

      1. Let me see if I can find a Micheal Moore to quote to counter that with…(we’ll keep it with each of our favorite MMs–I like blue, you like red).

        2. It’s Ed Morrissey, and it’s dead on.  It’s a citing of statistical fact.

          You can try to smear the source if you want, but it’s dead on.

          1. I do not watch your tube man.

            I prefer the summary.  I scroll and see ‘hotair’ and that tells me all I want to know.

            Closed-minded? Perhaps.  But there’s a lot of crap out there and sometimes reading the hotlink suffices.

            1. There is a lot of crap out there, but I simply quoted stats that showed that the poll SXP posted was oversampled with Dems.  It wasn’t even opinion – it was just the sampling, and it demonstrated well why the poll came out the way it did.

      2. It went from 34/24/38 to 34/23/38! That’s a difference of one point!

        That totally explains why Chris Christie’s popularity is only 33%! I haven’t worked out the math yet, but I’m sure if you added on an extra 1% of Republicans, that approval rating would go up to 75%!

        I am so totally pwned right now I want to cry.

            1. ACORN has been found to be innocent of anything illegal.  They have had a few employees that they turned in to police over the years for illegal activity but the organization itself has been cleared, even of all the recent allegations.

              However, the GOP does stuff like this ALL the time!  They are in a panic that they may not win as many seats as they want to in 2010.  Why else would you cheat, again?  The only way that they can win is by cheating!

              1. They sampled 10-11 percentage points higher of Dems than R’s and you’re wondering why they got the result they did?

                Sheesh.  Just be honest about it.

                1. and that’s true regardless of your graph below (yes, there are a lot of “independents” who lean Republican but don’t want to identify as a Republican).

                  Do we need affirmative action in all polls for Republicans? We have to pretend there are equal numbers of Republicans and Democrats to get a result that favors Republicans? Why would we do that when it’s not true? Because it makes Republicans cry otherwise?

              2. This was paid signature gatherers that were trying to game the system. They got paid for Republican registrations and, being the entrepreneurs that they were, worked to maximize their profits.

          2. I’m liking that graph from the right-wingers at gulp Gallup.

            I know you’re just pre-bittering because of what’s about to happen, and it’s ok.  I’m here for you.

            1. We’ll keep the House and Senate. Deep down I know you’re already suspecting your party may have blown one of the best opportunities it had. Have fun not getting any Latino votes this year, see how that works for you.

            2. I’m thinking you guys are skating on thin ice.

              It’s all about when it peaks, unless you think it really is durable; that Rovian permanent majority (of increasingly older white people requiring an increasingly complex and dissonant litmus test-a miracle given the shrinking demographic it represents).  

              I think come fall there will be different things on people’s mind than tea bags and taxes–oh, the fickle voters.  

              I only excerpt because it seems more relevant here–and why restate when I can block and link?

              http://www.coloradopols.com/sh…  

              Tea Party uses its final fury to whip into a summer frenzy.  By then counter is mounting, AZ boycotts, still grumpy Republicans, Primary in-fighting, Michael Steele continues following his own script…

              Mainstream GOP mainly make it through Primary with notable exceptions in UT, KY, some state house seats around the country.  Rubio gets FL nod (Charlie may still be in General as an Indy-R)–all badly tea-tainted.

              Voter backlash at Party of No grows into fall as Boehner, McConell et al. seek to block Obama at every step, frustrated that he mostly out maneuvers them.  

              ‘Drill, baby, drill’ doesn’t work as too many people along the Gulf Coast are recalling the great Gulf disaster of April 2010 and ‘Spill, baby, spill.’  Obama and Dems point to Cape Wind, new jobs, new economy.  

              Republican candidates, past the Primaries, stumble over themselves to get back to the middle.  Among national contenders Romney merely flops back to one of his previous selves and remains the front runner.  McCain confirms he is and has always been a Maverick ™.  

  4. if you would just stick to fundraising.

    Every time you open your mouth, you only reinforce what most people suspect–that you don’t have a clue about much of anything.

    Former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin on Tuesday night declared that there is “no ability or opportunity” for the new Arizona immigration law to encourage racial profiling, and blamed Barack Obama for “perpetuating this myth.”

    The new law allows police offices to stop anyone they suspect of being an illegal immigrant and ask to see documents proving their legal status. If the person cannot provide the documents, Arizona police now have the right to detain them until the federal government can prove they are legal.

  5. The tea party (shouldn’t they hate this intrusive infringement of American freedom?) loving Arizona GOP forgot about the whole Martin Luther King day disaster that cost the state billions.  

    They forgot that so many of their tourists come from Mexico and Latin America (they aren’t all poor migrant workers) in general and now Mexico has issued a warning, quite rightly, that they should avoid Arizona because of the high probability of being subject to harassment and worse.  

    They forgot it’s just as easy for conventions to be held in states without a racist, show me your papers law.  And, of course the idea that racial profiling will be strictly forbidden is laughable. They aren’t going to be pulling over cars filled with blue eyed blondes looking for illegal Swedes.

    They forgot that they do a third of their export business with Mexico. Looks like the major cities of California, if not all of California and many other US municipalities, will choose to avoid Arizona companies.  University students demanding the same of their institutions is totally predictable. MLB and many of its biggest stars can’t be too thrilled with this either.

    Then there is the huge Latino-American vote which they often got a nice chunk of in Arizona and which they can now kiss goodbye.

    There is also the strange spectacle of US GOP Senators and Reps blaming the inaction of the federal government for the desperation that led to this distasteful law while they have devoted and continue to devote themselves to…wait for it… federal inaction.  They do realize that they are the legislative branch of the federal government?  And Graham does realize how silly he looks trying to pin this on Dems and using their supposedly pushing immigration forward now as an excuse for taking his legislative climate legislation ball and going home? It’s even got McCain looking more confused than usual, tough to do since the 2008 election.  

    Wait… could this really be a Dem Party plot perpetrated by sleeper double agents in the Arizona legislature deployed now, in conjunction with sleeper sleaze bags at Goldman Sachs, in an attempt to stop GOP momentum in its tracks? Nah… it’s just what happens when you forget the story of Frankenstein’s monster.

     

  6. If one manages to actually throw the hot coal and it strikes the other person, two people have potentially gotten burned.

    Also, they didn’t exactly have effective work gloves or pot holder mitts back in Guatama’s day, which would prevent one’s hand from burning upon picking up a hot coal.

    Just saying…

    1. Every single Republican is now on record as filibustering even the consideration of financial reform, a bill with 2/3 support in polls. Now they’ve lost anyway.

      Righty blog commenters are demoralized, which makes me smile.

      Republicans will keep losing these battles. And when the landslide they keep predicting fails to happen, they’ll look down sadly and say, “Gosh, this has never happened to us before.” I think all the righty rage excitement might have come a bit prematurely.

      1. I imagine a scenario, which could realistically play out (as could others) goes like this:

        Tea Party uses its final fury to whip into a summer frenzy.  By then counter is mounting, AZ boycotts, still grumpy Republicans, Primary in-fighting, Michael Steele continues following his own script…

        Mainstream GOP mainly make it through Primary with notable exceptions in UT, KY, some state house seats around the country.  Rubio gets FL nod (Charlie may still be in General as an Indy-R)–all badly tea-tainted.

        Voter backlash at Party of No grows into fall as Boehner, McConell et al. seek to block Obama at every step, frustrated that he mostly out maneuvers them.  

        ‘Drill, baby, drill’ doesn’t work as too many people along the Gulf Coast are recalling the great Gulf disaster of April 2010 and ‘Spill, baby, spill.’  Obama and Dems point to Cape Wind, new jobs, new economy.  

        Republican candidates, past the Primaries, stumble over themselves to get back to the middle.  Among national contenders Romney merely flops back to one of his previous selves and remains the front runner.  McCain confirms he is and has always been a Maverick ™.  

        Scooter continues his hilarity and Colorado pundits can now add a third race when they wonder ‘worst of all time?’

        Norton/Bennet is close but in the end she cannot remove the stink.  Penry goes to work for Jim Sims or Jon Caldera.  Tipton gets buried by his usual amount.  

        Dems lose some seat nationally but retain control of both Houses. GOPers wonder why.  Base blames ‘RINOs.’  Fox blames ACORN.

        Death spiral continues in 2012, accelerating toward Timewave Zero and the 12/21/12 cataclysm.  

        1. I was just saying that because Hillary Clinton (who I think would make an excellent justice, and is someone whose record on important issues is quite clear) was supposedly ruled out due to her age. She’s only 2 years older than Judge Williams.

  9. “An initiative apparently started on the Internet asks people to boycott the AriZona Beverage Co. because of claims the law will unfairly target Hispanics.

    The company is based in Woodbury, 20 miles east of New York City. It sells teas and juice blends such as Mucho Mango. Chairman Don Vultaggio says it was started by “two hardworking guys from Brooklyn” in 1992 and has always been in New York.”

    Huffington Post

    Seems that New York City is not Arizona.  Do not boycott Arizona tea because it is not really in Arizona.  A good reason to avoid it is because it is made of high fructose corn syrup.

    1. And on that note, I am refusing to watch the Cohen Brothers’ charming comedy ‘Raising Arizona’ until the immigration law is repealed.

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