2018-19 #TrumpShutdown Day 18 Open Thread

“If you say who gets fired, it always has to be the top. Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the president’s the leader.”

–Donald Trump

18 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. ParkHill says:

    WOTD from Vox: "Colorado could save 2.5 Billion by quickly shutting down coal plants."

    There are a couple of nice maps showing Colorado wind & solar potential.

    • Conserv. Head Banger says:

      Interesting article, but old news in general. The Rocky Mountain Institute (www.rmi.org) predicted a few years ago that the country as a whole could get 75% of its energy from renewables by 2050. The remaining 25% would come from natural gas.

      Unless I missed it in the quick skim I did, the article doesn't talk about impacted communities, like Craig, that could be hit hard by a rapid phase out of coal.

      • Duke Cox says:

        I felt really sorry that all the whale oil processing workers lost their jobs when coal and oil displaced them. I guess then you believe we should still be whaling, so Cape Ann, Mass. could thrive once again?

        The wind blows incessantly in Craig and it has great solar potential. There are other industries that can and should be developed in Craig, and it is one of the responsibilities of government to help its citizens make transitions when society and its economy changes.

        There is no sane reason to prop up a dying industry…particularly one that is so deadly to the planet and its inhabitants. Coal is a poisonous resource that should be left behind as soon as we can manage the transition. That POV is not an attack on anyone, particularly, hard working Americans with families to support. It is simply the truth.

        We cannot save everyone from their future…but we can try. Let us rescind the trillion dollar tax cuts for billionaires and create new industries and training for displaced coal miners.

        But I guess that's a waste of tax payers’ money…in some peoples minds.




      • mamajama55 says:

        Craig has been working to change its economy for a few years now. Under Obama, there was money for coal-centered communities to explore alternatives. Kentucky communities, and people from Moffat County explored alternatives,  made recommendations, including emphasizing artisanal textiles, recreation, tourism.

        Craig is looking at: cannabis industries

        Phasing out coal and going to solar , wind, other renewables

        Anschutz will build his long Transwest transmission line in 2020 near  Craig, pulling wind electrons from Wyoming to California. There will be jobs making that line.

        There are more specifics to come in a diary.



  2. Duke Cox says:

    I am curious this morning if anyone still does not believe the President of the United States is prepared and poised to take control of the government and establish himself as a strong man dictator?


    • Voyageur says:

      Well, there is a little thing called the Constitution in hi s way, Duke.  And even the Federalist Society judges would stand in his way.


    • The realist says:

      I believe he might take that step. He is surrounded by sycophants so they won't stop him. Only Congress, the courts, and the American people will stop him now. Perhaps his dangerous overreach needs to happen.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      The "will he" and "won't he" speculation is interesting.

      The silence of Republicans in the Senate and House is growing.  After complaining, passing legislation, and even joining in suits to limit Obama's "executive orders," what will they do about a whole-hearted willingness to disregard Congress as a separate branch of the government by way of a "national emergency"?

      • Davie says:

        Yep, if *rump in his 8 minute address tonight declares a "national emergency" to allow the use of troops to build the wall without funds specifically allocated by Congress, then, yes folks, we'll have a constitutional crisis on our hands.

  3. ParkHill says:

    WOTD from Kos: "2020 Primaries have already started."

    Modern presidencies aren’t won in rural diners. They’re won by those who best manage their media—social, partisan, and traditional. And that requires building a movement of millions of people, everywhere, irrespective of geography.

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      She won a KOS poll, for God sake. The only ones who should sweat over this is Bernie and Alexandra Cortez Ocasio.

      • ParkHill says:

        I hadn't heard that AOC is running for President.

        Bernie might be toast if he isn't dominating the daily-kos community at this early date.

        Marcos's point is that you CANNOT win the Democratic primary without a broad, national network and lots of money. That is why the primary is starting right now.

        His related point is that IA & NH are now insignificant as far as influencing the primary is concerned. One or another candidate may win each of CA, TX, VA, MA & NC, so the question becomes: Which candidate can consistently win second?

  4. Davie says:

    Cowardly Republicans are hoping *rump does declare a national emergency so they can save face and end the shutdown.

    By supporting an emergency declaration by Trump without proof of an emergency — all to fulfill a campaign promise — Republicans would be greenlighting Trump’s moves to usurp congressional authority.

    Trump would almost certainly face an immediate challenge in the courts, with a messy legal battle that could drag out for months if not years.

    Republicans and White House officials who support the idea don’t care. Let the courts deal with it, they say. And Trump wouldn’t be accused of caving, they argue.

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) ripped Trump during a discussion with reporters Tuesday morning, calling him a “dictator” who is treating the U.S. like an autocratic country where rulers declare “martial law” to impose their will on the people when they can’t get their way.

  5. mamajama55 says:

    Trumpty's big speech got great ratings, but very poor reviews.

    Every mainstream cable channel carried it. Here's the big takeaway: He did not declare a state of emergency. No martial law, no constitutional crisis. He was playing chicken, and playing for attention.

    He gave the same speech he'd been giving since 2015 – all crime in America starts in Mexico, all drugs, all rapists.  They're all bad guys and we need the wall to keep them out. He stared at the teleprompter the whole time, did not look at the camera. Very weird affect, like a high school speech student trying out his speech in front of a mirror. No connection with his audience.

    And the price has gone up. It's now $5.7 billion for a "steel barrier". And the wall will pay for itself. Ummmm. No. If he was hoping that the American public would see his speech and say, "Wow! I see the light! $5.7 billion, what a bargain – you've got my support, President Trump!."

    Nope. Don't think so.

    Here are the links:

    Trump's speech best quote: "This is a crisis of soul." wtf????

    Maddow , Chris Hayes, Nicole Wallace commentary (below) Best quote: Hayes: Cory Gardner will not be running in 2020 on the message that came from the Oval Office tonight.Wallace: He lives in abject terror of his base, and of Robert Mueller. This keeps his base ginned up.



    Pelosi and Schumer response Best quote:  Reopen the government, and we can work out our differences on border security.

    CNN fact check Drugs are smuggled  in through legal checkpoints, immigrants as a group have fewer violent criminals than general population.





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