Tuesday Open Thread

“The most common lie is that which one lies to himself; lying to others is relatively an exception.”

–Friedrich Nietzsche

36 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. unnamed says:

    Last night, Coffman released an internal showing him ONLY down 2 to Crow.  42-40 Crow lead.

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      Seven percent is too close for comfort and makes me nervous.

      Think about the Tom Bradley Effect. I know it was over a quarter of a century ago but I remember early November 1992 with polls showing something called Amendment Two trailing 55% to 40%. And we know how that turned out.

      And before we talk about how much more evolved we are today, think about how it was only four short years ago that people in Colorado foolishly threw out a fine US Senator who ran lousy TV commercials and replaced him with Cory Gardner.

      Or how the voters in CD 6 have consistently voted for Obama and Clinton only to split their tickets and vote for Mike Coffman.

      • unnamed says:

        True.  But 7 points is nothing to sneeze at, especially with Stapleton around 40.


        As itduoso says: be hopeful, not confident.

      • notaskinnycook says:

        It's not quite the same thing, R&R. Either one likes Coffman or not. People lied about their intentions on Amendment 2 out of fear of being tagged as a bigot (they were). It wasn't really that close in the end. 54.4 to 46.6, IIRC. I was involved with an LGBT cable access news program at the time, so I followed every nuance of that battle intently.

        • RepealAndReplace says:

          True enough, Cook. But I was analogizing that the hidden pro-Amendment Two folks in 1992 are the same as today's secretly anti-Polis because-he-is-gay folk.

          I do think – or at least hope – that the hidden homophobic voter pool has dried up to some degree over the past 26 years.

    • Mike W. says:

      Monmouth founds a 7-point lead for Hick in '14 in mid-October, and that eventually led to a 3-point win. Others in that month ranged from +8 to -5.

      However, the race in 2014 was polled MUCH more intensely than Colorado has been this year. Looks like there were close to 60 publicly released polls over the length of the last gubernatorial election, while Polis vs. Stapleton has netted a grand total of 3. 

      The other two polls for '18 btw have had Polis up 5 and 7. 

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      I suppose the good news is that he refrained from deploying any nuclear weapons against the nations of those who laughed.

      As for the retaliation itself …. thank you Jill Stein and her gaggle of Useful Idiots.

    • JohnInDenver says:

      If there is no reaction from Haley in the VERY near future, so much for the rumors of the kinder, gentler side of US Ambassador Nikki Haley.  I guess she'll take her pick of "it's no big deal" or "I couldn't push them away from this" when she writes the book and tries to position herself for a political future.

    • notaskinnycook says:

      It could be worse. It's actually consistent with our treatment of mixed-gender partnerships. We don't give recognition to unmarried straight couples either. At least, he's not threatening to refuse to recognize same-gender couples under any circumstance; as I'm sure Pence would prefer.


  2. Voyageur says:

    This is a violation of our duties as UN host country — and of common decency.

    Trump stinks.

    Great God Almighty.

    Trump stinks.

  3. Pseudonymous says:

    Wouldn't it be interesting if the Dems lost the senate by the one seat that the party establishment insisted on running a crook for?

    It's a dead heat between Menendez and Hugin in high-stakes N.J. Senate race

    Menendez leads Hugin by a mere two percentage points, 45 percent to 43 percent, in the Stockton University poll released Monday morning — which is within the poll's margin of error. 

    • Voyageur says:

      You would think we could have found a decent candidate in new jersey. Maybe get Christine TOdd Whitman to switch sides.

      I'm reminded of the slogan when democrat edwin edwards ran against David Duke for gov in louisiana:

      Vote for the crook.  It's important!


    • JohnInDenver says:

      Pseudonymous — if the Dems continue to be down one seat, it will be a moral and practical victory, as the Republicans thought they would pick up 4 or 5 seats and develop a solid majority for the next session.  If New Jersey is the difference, that would mean maintaining in the "red" states and a Democrat win in two others: Arizona, Nevada, Tennessee, or Texas.

      I'd be delighted to make the change, especially if it would be a loss for Cruz.

      • Voyageur says:

        If the Democrats are down one seat, it will be a moral and practical catastrophe.  Cancer survivor RBG can't live forever.  A Trump Senate could lock in a 7-2 fascist majority on the supreme Court that would cripple our freedom for 30 years.  Damn the Democrats for nominating this skunk.

      • notaskinnycook says:

        JiD, You've been tainted by Moddy & co. It's "Democratic win in two others".

    • RepealAndReplace says:

      The Democrats in New Jersey need to do what they did with Robert Torricelli some years back. He was running for re-election and his polling numbers were appalling. Shortly before the election, they persuaded him to step aside and they put Frank Lautenberg in as his replacement. The Republicans screamed foul but Lautenberg won. 

      What is past is prologue.

  4. Davie says:

    Another sign that the Republican Party is out of touch with voters:

    In the month before ballots drop in Colorado, Democrats registered twice as many voters than Republicans while those who don’t want to join either party continued to outpace both.

    Last month, Democrats picked up 14,029 registered active voters while Republicans gained 6,411, according to the latest figures. At the same time, 28,039 Coloradans registered as unaffiliated voters in the past month.

    As of Sept. 30, there were 1,007,948 registered active Democrats in Colorado and 979,204 registered active Republicans. There were also 1,236,592 unaffiliated active voters registered.

  5. mamajama55 says:

    Willie's got a new hit, and says "I don't care" if his old fans are mad at him for boosting Beto O'Rourke against Ted Cruz. (largest political rally since Bernie Sanders 2016, btw).

    He's getting new fans all the time.


  6. Independent Voter says:

    I'm glad to see Polis up by 7 but considering who he's running against he should be up by 20.

    Don't let your guard down, get out and vote and convince everyone that you can to do the same.

  7. Powerful Pear says:

    Oh no, not again. Amazon raises its minimum wage to $15 per hour. Poor Melissa, I hope she isn’t listening to the phony, we care about you group, ProgressNow Colorado.

    Thank you President Trump for creating an economic  environment where all citizens can prosper!


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