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May 08, 2006 08:00 AM UTC

Monday Open Thread

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  1. Washington Post (Saturday)

    Air Force to Examine Fundraising E-Mail Sent by a General
    Message Praised Candidate’s Christianity

    By Alan Cooperman
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, May 6, 2006; A03

    The Air Force is investigating whether a two-star general violated
    military
    regulations by urging fellow Air Force Academy graduates to make
    campaign
    contributions to a Republican candidate for Congress in Colorado,
    Pentagon
    officials said yesterday.

    Maj. Gen. Jack J. Catton Jr., who is on active duty at Langley Air
    Force
    Base, sent the fundraising appeal on Thursday from his official e-mail
    account to more than 200 fellow members of the academy’s class of 1976,
    many
    of whom are also on active duty.

    “We are certainly in need of Christian men with integrity and military
    experience in Congress,” Catton wrote.

    Defense Department rules prohibit active-duty officers from using their
    position to solicit campaign contributions or seek votes for a
    particular
    candidate. An Air Force spokesman said yesterday that “appropriate
    officials
    are inquiring into the facts surrounding these e-mails.”

    Catton’s e-mail was provided to The Washington Post by the Military
    Religious Freedom Foundation, a nonprofit group founded last year by
    Michael
    L. “Mikey” Weinstein, White House counsel in the Reagan administration.

    “This is not just a small thing,” said Weinstein, who is suing the Air
    Force
    to halt what he contends is pervasive proselytizing in the armed
    forces.
    “It’s evidence of a continuing attack on separation of church and state
    by
    evangelicals in the military.”

    Catton urged his classmates to support Bentley Rayburn, a recently
    retired
    Air Force general seeking the Republican nomination for a House seat
    being
    vacated this year by Rep. Joel Hefley (R-Colo.). Hefley’s district
    around
    Colorado Springs includes the Air Force Academy, several military bases
    and
    the headquarters of Focus on the Family, James Dobson’s Christian
    broadcasting organization.

    Both Catton’s e-mail and an accompanying note from Rayburn portrayed
    him as
    a candidate who would represent the military and conservative
    Christians.

    “The lack of any Air Force presence within the Congress was
    particularly
    telling over the last few years,” Rayburn wrote, referring to
    controversy
    over proselytizing at the Air Force Academy and new Air Force
    regulations on
    religious expression. “For those of us who are Christians, there is
    that
    whole other side of the coin that recognizes that we need more
    Christian
    influence in Congress.”

    Rayburn, a 1975 graduate of the Air Force Academy, said yesterday that
    Catton’s only mistake was sending the message out from his official
    e-mail
    account.

    Catton said in a telephone interview that he realized after he sent the
    e-mail Thursday evening that it was “inappropriate” and attempted to
    recall
    it Friday morning.

    “I’m traveling and I was going through e-mails last night, on the
    airplane,
    and very excited about one of my academy brothers running for Congress,
    and
    forwarded the e-mail to my classmates to share the excitement,” he
    said.

    “And when I got up this morning I had an e-mail from one of my
    classmates
    who said, ‘Jack, do you realize you were on your work computer?’ I
    went,
    ‘Holy smokes!’ And so I immediately sent out a recall of that e-mail,
    because I shouldn’t have sent it out on my work computer, because it’s
    inappropriate.”

    Pentagon lawyers declined to comment while the circumstances are under
    investigation. A former Air Force lawyer, retired Brig. Gen. James W.
    Swanson, said the use of an official e-mail address “is probably an
    aggravator, but it isn’t the essence of the offense.”

    “Clearly this country wants and needs an apolitical military,” he said.
    “It
    sounds like an excess of enthusiasm, but I’d be surprised if there is
    not
    some sort of disciplinary or administrative action in this case.”

    (c) 2006 The Washington Post Company

  2. By the way here is the actual email. Sounds like a premeditated email to me. Not exactly a spur of the moment email of excitement.

    Classmates,

    As some of you may have heard, Bentley Rayburn is running for Congress
    in
    Colorado’s 5th District. What many of you may not know is his website
    address and the uphill battle he has in terms of limited time to
    campaign
    (less than 100 days) and raising money to support a competitive
    campaign. We
    are certainly in need of Christian men with integrity and military
    experience in Congress. Please read Bentley’s note below and join me in
    supporting his bid to continue serving our country.

    Proud to be a member of the Spirit of ’76,

    Jack

    Jack,

    It was great to talk to you on the phone today. Thanks a million for
    your
    willingness to spread the news of my congressional run among your
    classmates.  Needless to say, I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t
    think it
    was important–if I didn’t feel called to the task–and if I didn’t
    think we
    could win this thing.  We can win, but it’s going to take a lot of hard
    work
    and help from a lot of people.  So, what I’d ask you to do is to convey
    to
    the Class of ’76 some of the basic information of my candidacy and
    ultimately enlist their support and encourage them to seek out the
    support
    of their family, friends, neighbors and colleagues.  As we discussed,
    beyond
    the local issues here in the 5th District of Colorado which they may
    not be
    interested in if they don’t live here, the lack of credible military
    experience in Congress is a national problem.  The lack of any Air
    Force
    presence within the Congress was particularly telling over the last few
    years, and we as a service have suffered for it.  For those reasons
    alone,
    along with the need to support the President in our war against radical
    Islamic jihadists, it only makes sense that we look for more folks with
    solid military experience who can provide the balance we need in
    Washington.
    For those of us who are Christians, there is that whole other side of
    the
    coin that recognizes that we need more Christian influence in Congress.
    That being said, I’m the guy who has put his hand in the air, so any
    help I
    can garner from your class and our other Academy colleagues, would be
    of
    tremendous help.  Our website is:  http://www.RayburnForCongress.org
      .  We have the capability for
    on-line
    donations, and also attached is a form folks can fill out (it’s also on
    the
    web) if they want to send a check vice doing it electronically.  We can
    win,
    but you know that it’s going to take a lot of hard work and help and
    money
    from a lot of people.  Time is important because it is not going to be
    a
    long campaign as the primary is 8 August, 97 days from now.  Hopefully
    we’ll
    be able to raise funds quickly to show some strength relative to the
    other
    candidates.  My classmate, John Gaughan (Col, ret), is our campaign
    manager.
    He’s doing a great job!  We can win this seat–which needless to say
    will be
    great for the AF, the US military, the USAFA and for folks who hold to
    our
    values for God and Country–but we need your assistance.  I certainly
    appreciate any and all help that the men in ’76 can give.  Thanks for
    being
    such a great friend,

    Bentley

    Our numbers:

    John Gaughan (campaign chairman): 

    –  (719) 277-6649 (w)

    –  (719) 685-6048 (c)

    –  JohnGaughan2@mac.com

    My numbers:

    –  (719) 277-6640 (w)

    –  (719) 200-6206 (c)

    –  RayburnBB@aol.com

  3. Who cares? Only the fascist liberals on this blog. You want to believe in your sick leftist pro-homo ideology and force that filth down everone’s throats under the moniker of “tolerance”, while eliminating all Christians from the public square.

    You are sick and your agenda evil.

  4. before the Lamm and Perlmutter can get started I would just like to say that there is a candidate in this race who is sticking to the issues. Listen to the debates on the Jay Marvin show or on Aaron Harber. You decide who actually did the best.

  5. Sam I Am: Your vicious and hateful entry on this blog is nnoted. The trampling of the Constitution by your Republican administration is leading us towards fascism. Ho

  6. If you are a christian you shouldn’t even have the right to vote.  It is a violation of separation of church and state!

  7. Good point Sir Robin.  The constitution does not allow christians to participate.  I cannot find it anywhere.  But we all know about the Amendment of Separation of Church and State.  You tell ’em.

  8. Sir Drunk, it is no wonder you attacked me.  All you fascist liberals talk about “tolerance,” but really you are the most intolerant and hateful evil “people” that Satan put on this earth.  I will never support the homo-fascist agenda of you and your Christian-hating friends.  If you had your way then the good Christian people, the real Americans, would all be locked up and shot.  No thanks.

  9. Sam I Am; you’re a wonderful example of Christian love, and you make me proud that I left that faith two decades ago. You confirm the wisdom of my decision. Jesus would be proud.

  10. Don’t you know Sam – you are supposed to be a door mat.  You should just shut your mouth when people around you trample the values this country was built on.  That is what a good christian would do. 

    So stop fighting it.  Or we will point to you and say you are a hypocrite.

  11. when the self-rightous wnated to stone the harlot, Jesus wrote “let the one without sin cast the first stone.”  Much of his ministry was spent denouncing the pious and self-righteous.  “Give all that you have to the poor and follow me.”  And while Jesus spent many of the few words of his blasting the pharisees and talking about social justice (i.e. read Sermon of the Mount and any number of his parables) he never once (according to the Canonical Gospels)ministered against gays, gay marriage, or any of the other issues that modern “christians” (not all, thankfully, only the whack jobs) grasp on to, as they embrace Babylon and the very temporal power they should instead decry.  If hypocrite fits then…

  12. Sam: “Homo-fascists…” The image here is of a drag queen bitch-slappping someone for wearing white before Memorial Day.

    Joseph McCarthy and crew called us, if you will recall, “Pinkos.”

    There are, of course, other epithets used to describe our ilk by those who are afraid and, most likely, cowering in the back of the church with a .44 locked and loaded in their waistbands. Such seems to be your message, your fear.

    Be not afraid. Give us a hug. But, for God’s sake, remember that Memorial Day edict!

  13. Leviticus also says that eating a bacon cheese-burger is a sin, that if someone rapes a woman he has to marry her, that wearing fabric made from belended materials is a sin.  In the Bible, Lot sent his daughters out to get gang-raped and also screwed them himself.  Ahh, morality in the Bible…

  14. I never claimed that the Bible didn’t call homosexuality an abomination.  I am familar with the verses in the Old and New testaments.  I said that Jesus made no such statements (as recorded in the Gospels).  He spent much more of his time criticizing those that make pious, open and public displays of their ‘holiness’ while being corrupt, beholden to temporal power, and judgmental of those who they felt ‘sinned.’  Read the Godpels again, and ask for forgivness for perverting your Savior’s words.

  15. I have three questions for those who believe that their God tells them its OK to attack and condemn all others who disagree with their narrow interpretation of the Bible.

    Is it really a sin in the Lord’s eyes to wear blended fabric (like that nice cotton/poly shirt)?  (Lev. 19:19).

    Does God think that slavery is OK, and that an invading army—after killing all the men in the village—should be able to take all the women and children as “plunder” and use them for “forced labor”?  (Deut. 10, et. Seq.) 

    Is it really wrong to eat a bacon cheeseburger?  (Lev. 11, et. seq.)

    Somehow these self-righteous folks miss the forest for the trees, and are quite selective at which trees they see as well.  Jesus admonished regularly against the self-righteous, pious, and judgmental.  He urged the truly faithful to make their prayers and displays of worship privately, inside their rooms, where God knows what they are doing, but not to make a public display of their religiosity.

  16. More plunder by the Republicans:

    Last December, Senate Majority Leader Bill First (R-TN) and House Speaker Dennis Hastert inserted a provision in the Defense Appropriations bill that granted vaccine manufactures near-total immunity for injuries or deaths (even in cases of “gross negligence”) caused by their drugs during a viral pandemic, such as an outbreak of the avian flu. The legislation was “worth billions of dollars” to a small group of drug makers.

    The provision was inserted in the dead of the night, after House and Senate conferees had agreed the provision would not be included in the bill. According to Roll Call, the brazen move was completely unprecedented.

    A new report from Public Citizen reveals that vaccine-industry lobbyists essentially wrote the provision themselves. This morning’s Tennessean reports:

    Vaccine industry officials helped shape legislation behind the scenes that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist secretly amended into a bill to shield them from lawsuits, according to e-mails obtained by a public advocacy group.

    E-mails and documents written by a trade group for the vaccine-makers show the organization met privately with Frist’s staff and the White House about measures that would give the industry protection from lawsuits filed by people hurt by the vaccines.

    The final language of the provision was exactly what the vaccine manufactures requested in thier emails and meetings.

    How did the industry get such VIP treatment from First and Hastert? Generous campaign contributions always help. Another key component: the vaccine industry was represented by a lobbying team that included three former Frist staffers and Dennis Hastert’s son, Joshua Hastert.

  17. http://www.drillinhell.blogspot.com/

    Home, home on the Range: where K Street cockroaches make hay

    On lobbyists, politicians, and screwing Grandma Millie

    Sitting on a plane, doing the puddle jump from Salt Lake City to Colorado, I sat by chance besides the wife of one of our state’s oil and gas regulators. “They should have known better,” she said, implying how stupid the hapless landowners are stuck with a ‘split estate.’ A common situation in the West, this is when the surface ownership does not extend to the natural gas beneath, and so now landowners are seeing backyards becoming industrial zones as the Rocky Mountain West gets drilled at an unprecedented rate.

    And what of that home on the range: the cherished product of the decades keeping that day job, holding out a few more years for the company match? How about a slice of heaven overlooking God’s country in western Colorado? Then to learn, that neither happiness nor property are worth protecting, apparently, when their pursuit stands in the way of some fat cat’s profit with a suite of pocketed politicians.

    The story repeats across the West, where the fossil fuel cowboy rides his dying horse toward the apocalypse. Finite resources and infinite appetite… If only we could get to that oil under the Arctic Refuge or Roan Plateau, the National Monument, the Wilderness, then we would be energy-secure, the cowboy—brain swelled with thirst—thinks in his delirious state. If only I can make it to that shimmering oil shale mirage, there, just beyond tomorrow.

    And what of the land itself, this realm of free creatures, wild places, forest and desert, mountain, mesa and canyon? Where John Wayne roamed, the land against which America—as a nation—was formed. To the people who live here, there is no other home. To the wildlife—the deer, elk, antelope, bear, mountain lion, sage grouse, prairie dog—there is no other choice.

    But the suits overlooking the gaspatch and their comical, sorry sidekick, President Bush, have a plan for these lands; local residents and critters will just have to step aside. As Department of Interior Secretary Gale Norton explained to a conference of oil executives a few years back:

    “[President Bush] has repeatedly urged Congress to pass an energy bill and to open ANWR for energy exploration… When this Administration took office, we realized the fundamental importance of energy production to our economy. “

    Meanwhile in drilling fields, the residents and the land strain under the burdens of the new colonialism. A landscape cut and carved, its once quality wildlife habitat strangled by roads, well pads, and waste pits.

    And the economics of the gaspatch are a threat also to a healthy social system. As diminishing opportunities and repeating patterns force more of our economic eggs into a single basket we invite the inevitable busts we have suffered through times before.

    But why not make hay when the sun’s shining, and get while its good to do so? There is work to be had in the oilpatch, you know, where the deer and the antelope played. And drilling more will help everyone, a politician-of-the-evening might intone enticingly, stuffing crab rolls into a puckered mouth and brushing crumbs from many chins: consumers everywhere benefit if the privileged can help themselves to public assets and are enabled to reap unheard of profits.

    Remember, as Gale Norton warned talking up the oil execs, what happened in California. Her answer, as always, to drill more, drill faster, hand more public minerals and public lands over more quickly to industry, butter up the already greasy goose laying the golden egg.

    Houston, Tulsa, western Colorado, California… what a tangled web! What creepy crawlies ensnared? Steven Griles? Jack Abramoff? Italia Federici? The Republicans have descended too far for redemption now, into their corporate-whoring, ensconced in their Beltway brothel, selling off the national trust for a tryst in Scotland or some other tantalizing tidbit. Need funding to rig a Legislature or steal a few Congressional seats? No problem for the boys at the K-Street Roach motel (with its amazing ever-revolving door). It’s all included with the price of your soul Mr. Majority Leader, and please do enjoy your quid-pro-quo. Luckily the sweetheart deals made in these royal roach retreats are far from the pounding drill rigs and rising colonialist anger.

    The K Street lobbyists and their scurrying servants from Congress agree: the misery wrung out over a lobbyists’ lunch or during, perhaps, a round taken at an exclusive course (which the workaday folks might wonder about behind its walls and razor wire)—those abstract costs of degraded life and ruined home are borne by someone someplace far away.

    But remember our history and note that all the signs are there: the discontent harbored in the abuse from absentee rulers, the impacts of faraway habits and addictions, the rising costs of a resource being mined from under foot, tied into a system of unaccountable capital protected by a distant power. And the yoke becoming harder and harder to bear: “Don’t Tread On Me!”

    Look at what really happened in the California energy crisis. Did Californians suffer because the Arctic Refuge had not been drilled? Or was another principal of supply and demand at work: the insatiable demand for fattened profits and the ample supply of corrupted politicians dutifully dishing deregulated quo for all that corporate quid? In the California price-fixing debacle, indictments were handed down but unlike the average citizen criminal, settlements were had, cash was paid, and no one had to cancel a tee time.

    Tulsa, home of Williams Companies; Houston, and the suburbs of deposed leader Tom Delay; Washington DC, the K Street Project and industry plants at the Department of Interior: anchors points in a weave of bribes and favors given, catching some, finally, in its tangled web of backroom deals. *

    Back in the gaspatch, rest assured that no one feels too bad for the ensnared K Street roaches or the Exterminator getting hammered by his own bad behavior. Unfortunately the damage is not so narrowly limited. Like Grandma Millie, corporate malfeasance can screw many undeserving victims. “Not worth shit now,” is how an elderly gentleman describes his home, drill rig a few hundred feet out the back door—after 30 years as a loyal employee, tax-paying, god-fearing man—floodlights, noise, fumes 24/7: welcome to the golden years.

    The webs of bribery and corruption strangle life from our most sacred institution: government by and for the people, as surely as the roads in the gas patch fragment a once natural landscape. The pursuit of happiness, the American dream, just like the very sanctity of the land itself: now, apparently, just a trinket for a trollop on the town looking to land a miner with a paycheck.

    *If you are taking notes, those indicted companies are: Reliant Energy, Dynegy, Duke Energy, Williams Energy Services, Mirant, and Portland General Electric. BONUS QUESTION: Which of the California price-fixers also has/have been indicted along with former House Leader Tom DeLay?

  18. but i really, really like bacon cheese-burgers.  does God hate me?  Am I ’embracing sin’ when I take that first juicy bite?  Was it OK for Lot to screw his daughters?

  19. You know nothing of which you speak.  God brought you into this world knowing nothing and apparently you will still know nothing when you leave it.  What a pitty.

  20. Job loves God and gets a better wife and kids.  God ‘tests’ Abraham by telling him to kill his son.  Abraham kicks out Hagar (later BITCH!)…  ahhh, biblical morality.

  21. Loved by God.  Sure.  Good?  Hardly.  Full of pride – yep.  Sinner – yep.  Unrepentant – yep.  Go back and read the gospels again.

  22. By the fruits of my labor I will be known. 

    My repetence is between me and my god.  I have no need to gain YOUR approval.

  23. If only “debates” like this were taking place in the public square. Then at least intellegent christians would see how much hatred evangelicals spew. Don’t hide your hatred behind the bible, everyone sees through it. If it walks like a bigot, and quacks like a bigot…

  24. I though judgement was reserved for God, and now YOU have the perspecitive to decide who is good or bad?  I can think of no more unholy level of pride.

  25. For Sam I Am and other loud homophobes:

    It’s been my experience that people who shout the loudest about gays and lesbians have something secret that they need to share.  Maybe if they come out and get it over with they will have less pent up rage?

  26. Biggest insult of all.  Robert implies that decent God fearing people are really just closet homosexuals.  If being a homo wasn’t so bad – you wouldn’t use it as an epithet.

  27. So, what of the other admonishments in the Bible?  Hatred is a Xtian value, do you like bacon cheese-burgers?  Do you wear blended fabrics?

  28. Were back to the Cheesburgers again eh?  Well, now that we have come full circle I think I will get some work done so I can donate to my favorite conservative congressmen.  Here’s to traditional Marriage.  God Bless.

  29. Yep, I would hate for us gays to ruin the sanctity of marriage. I mean what absurd amounts of shame we would bring to Britney Spear’s 48 hour quicky vegas marriage. Or Eminem’s 90 day second marriage to the ex-wife he often sings of butchering. Bravo for standing up and preventing this moral depravity (please note my overwhelming sarcasm).

  30. Cheeseburgers,

    I might take your preaching more seriously if divorce rates weren’t so highly correlated to religious Republicans like yourself.  The reddest, most church-going states all have the highest rates of divorce already.  And just wait until gay civil unions or marriages destroy that thin sanctity.

    (And what about blended fabrics and cheeseburgers?  Or do you only answer the questions that aren’t difficult?)

  31. JesusWasACommie,

    People like Homoabomination will never listen to your comments. Instead, they will just continue to spew their hatred and agenda. By replying to his comments and participating in a dialogue with him, you are giving him a forum and an audience. Better to just ignore him, and go on living your life.

    “The remarkable thing is that we really love our neighbor as ourselves: we do unto others as we do unto ourselves. We hate others when we hate ourselves. We are tolerant toward others when we tolerate ourselves. We forgive others when we forgive ourselves. We are prone to sacrifice others when we are ready to sacrifice ourselves.” – Eric Hoffer

  32. BUSH NEEDS SOME MENTAL HELP ?

    BERLIN – President George W. Bush said in a newspaper interview on Sunday he did not even know what a soccer ball looked like when he was young but a new generation of Americans was catching up with the rest of the world.

    “As a boy I never even saw a soccer ball,” Bush said in an interview with the Bild am Sonntag newspaper.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12675510/

  33. Let us change topics.
    Dan Haley of the Denver Post, Sharron Klein, Angie Paccione, Carol Boigon, Jeanne Robb, Gail Schoettler and Dottie Lamm all think that Jennnifer Mello is the next State Senator from District 32. She is also the heir apparent than to the DeGette seat in Congress. Jennifer Mello is a star

  34. Bush said a lot of Americans did not even realise until recently how important the World Cup is.

    It’s called “projecting,” George.  Just because lacrosse and duckpin bowling were more popular in your social set doesn’t mean “a lot of Americans” are so clueless about the world’s most popular sport.

    I’m sure this went over like a lead balloon in Germany.

  35. Until Toyota bribed their way into the sport, NASCAR was by far the most popular sport ever. The Intimidator didn’t play no roundy ball.
    Soccer is for Europeans and Central Americans ………….In other words, who cares?

    How’s that for southern charm?

  36. Wow!  What the hell is Dobson teaching these fanaticals?  Whatever happened to the Golden Rule?  It’s almost as if they took out the entire New Testament and re-wrote it with Jesus preaching contempt and malice, instead of love and forgiveness.  I do not want to be a part of that following, since I know exactly where they are going.

  37. Gecko I grew up in the south and in high school one of our teammates fathers told him he can ride shotgun in the truck if he’s playing football but he has to ride in the back bed if he plays soccer. It was pretty damn funny at the time.

    How’s that for southern charm?

  38. NASCAR more popular than soccer?  Yeah, I remember when we kids used to gather at the old lot on the corner to do some short track laps.  I’d always understeer on that tri-oval fifth turn and scrape my valence until Timmy from across the alley showed me how to weight jack the right front and run a steeper toe-in.  Good times we can all relate to, I’m sure.

  39. Bob Beauprez wrote the book on frivolous lawsuits without ever so much as picking up a pen.  See the story below. 

    “In 2002, Bob Beauprez was in a primary (for Congress). Steve Durham, a Beauprez donor, went out and filed a campaign finance complaint against the sitting lieutenant governor (one of Beauprez’s primary opponents). Bob Beauprez won the primary. So here we are again, four years later. Bob Beauprez is in a tough Republican primary. … Steve Durham goes out and files a similar complaint and gets a bunch of headlines for Bob, the establishment’s candidate.”

  40. Gecko,

    Until Toyota bribed their way into the sport, NASCAR was by far the most popular sport ever. The Intimidator didn’t play no roundy ball.
    Soccer is for Europeans and Central Americans ………….In other words, who cares?

    I must have missed the smiley face.  Or maybe you did.

  41. Posted by Hippononymous

    May 8th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
    NASCAR more popular than soccer? Yeah, I remember when we kids used to gather at the old lot on the corner to do some short track laps. I’d always understeer on that tri-oval fifth turn and scrape my valence until Timmy from across the alley showed me how to weight jack the right front and run a steeper toe-in. Good times we can all relate to, I’m sure.

    Sorry, Hippo, but Timmy was giving you some bad advice as to how to remove the “push” you were experiencing. Cute comeback, but it shows how little you know about the subject matter. Of course we all knew that already, didn’t we???? Your ignorance on a broad range of subjects is well documented here!

  42. coldawg,

    Try to use blockquotes when citing someone else’s post–it makes it much easier to read.  Like this:

    Sorry, Hippo, but Timmy was giving you some bad advice as to how to remove the “push” you were experiencing. Cute comeback, but it shows how little you know about the subject matter. Of course we all knew that already, didn’t we???? Your ignorance on a broad range of subjects is well documented here!

    I’ll bite.  What do you mean specifically by “the subject matter?”

  43. Pre Toyota, yes it was a great sport. You need to use your mind as well as your body, plus it is a sport where teamwork is as important, if not more, than any other.
    And the horsepower is incredible. Stand next to the fence when they go past at well over 100 mph……It makes ya shiver.

  44. I am glad to know our boys and girls in Iraq are dying so fat white men can watch cars go in circles.  God bless this great land!

  45. A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale has hit Mexico. Two million Mexicans have died and over a million are injured. The country is totally ruined and the government doesn’t know where to start with providing help to rebuild.

    The rest of the world is in shock.  Canada is sending troopers to help the Mexican army control the riots.  Saudi Arabia is sending oil.  Other Latin American countries are sending supplies. The European community (except France) is sending food and money. The United States, not to be outdone, is sending two million replacement Mexicans.

  46. I’m not fat, and I enjoy watching cars go in circles from time to time.  And FYI, some races are run on road courses, which are not exactly circular.

  47. Ouch, you’re right.  Some races aren’t quite circular.  I concede–NASCAR is a real sport, just like Dance Dance Revolution, WWE wrestling, and gurning.

    I drove 70 for a while on the way to work this morning.  Now I’m an athlete!

  48. who defines what a “sport” is? I like golf, but I would argue that it takes more athleticism to run a 500 mile race than play 72 holes.  Is cycling a sport? How about bowling? Just because you don’t like racing doesn’t mean it is not a sport.

  49. Why doesn’t the State of Colorado and Utah go after those who are practicing polygamy?  As I understand it, over 40,000 families are currently practicing polygamy and nothing is being done against it.  I don’t think it is right to ignore these issues.  And why are we not talking about the issues, rather than talking about stories that are aimed about the amount of money candidates have for the primary?  I’m very disatisfied as a voter that we don’t discuss the issues that are important for the people of Colorado.  I could really care less if a candidate has a bunch of money or not.

  50. Beauprez signs petition on excess Ref C funds – that’s the headlines coming from the Rocky Mountain News see link http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/elections/article/0,2808,DRMN_24736_4681730,00.html.  Gee, give me a break!!!  that money is my money!!!  The excess revenues should go to me and I should decide how I will utilize the funds.

    Here we go, small (c) conservatives scheming how to use our money.  I do not care if the intent is that it be used for heating bills.  Whom does it serve best, utilities, and energy companies.  What if I need the money for food? What if I need it to pay a medical bill?

    How absurd.  The Dems are starting to look like the true conservatives here.

    I don’t care who is pushing this gimick, government agreed to keep on $3.7 billion (no more is what I understood).  Thankfully I didn’t support Refs C & D, and now look at how the bureaucrats are behaving.  Beauprez is no exception.

    The correct answer to the question of “What should we do with the excess?” is very clear.

    RETURN THE MONEY…RETURN THE MONEY…RETURN THE MONEY.

    Now if there were ever a difference between the two candidates, this one is clear.  Holtzman strongly believes that the money should be returned.  Beauprez, will return it with conditions as dictated by government.

    Holtzman has the “RIGHT” position on this issue.  Beauprez has the “WRONG” position on this issue.

    OPEN LETTER TO JOHN CALDERA:

    Dear John,

    As a long-time big “C” conservative, and friend of the I.I. please do not expect me to fall for this gimmick.  Do not count on my signing your petition.  It won’t happen now, nor in the future.

    P.S.: Is this just a rouse for BB to get the support of the I.I.?  We all know BB is not as conservative as he would like people to think.  We true big “C” conservatives will not be supporting either your petition or BB.

    Thank You

  51. Patriot,

    And I could not care less, if I made an attempt, about polygamy, not if the ladies are all of age. Are you seriously telling me this is the gravest problem facing Colorado?

    Jesus, get real.

  52. Middle —

    Well, if we can go to war over issues of Muslim ideology, then we sure should consider it.  Muslims can have up to 4 wives, don’t have many rights.  I gather the rights of children in Utah and Colorado is not important, but the oil in Iraq IS.

  53. If the war in the Middle East is about “ideology” as President Bush said, and we ignore the Mormons who are practicing polygamy in Colorado and Utah, then we are practicing a hypocracy right here in America.  I guess we should go to war against ourselves?

  54. good god!  This is not about anyone’s religion.  This is about the Constitution of the United States. First, civilivan control of the military is a foundation of this country;  so military are restricted in how they participate in partisan politics.  The officer appears to be clearly in violation of his oath to uphold the constitution and those regulations, derived, thereoff, which outline how military may participate in partisan elections.  Secondly, the Air Force Academy has been dealing with issues around Christian proselytizing by officers in their official capacities.  This appears to break those rules.  These are very serious issues.  I don’t know who benefits from turning this site into a poor substitue for locker room walls; but it is very destructive because it stops any rational discussion.  I am reminded of reports of cults whose members are trained to put their fingers in their ears and make loud gutteral noises when confronted with anyone who wants to talk with them who is not approved by the cult.

  55. Dwyer —

    My point had two elements, possibly more.  The US Constitution does not tell people what religion they must worship.  Indeed, a free individual can decide what their faith IS, and that separates US from communism.  I question the right of the US government or the military (in that case, to go to war over Muslim ideology) or making the decision for us if we wish to be a Mormon who follows what the government says, or what the original Joseph Smith group followed.  Indeed, today we have half of the Mormons practicing what the US government says, the other half practicing something less than traditional.  Question, “who should judge what those faiths should look like or what they can practice?”  It is an interesting item of debate. 

    It appears that the US Constitution protects against the government getting in the middle, “”Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Establishment_Clause_of_the_First_Amendment

    Together with the Free Exercise Clause, (“or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”), these two clauses make up what is commonly known as the religion clauses.  This has been interpreted as the prohibition of 1) the establishment of a national religion by Congress and 2) the preference of one religion over another or of religion over non-religious philosophies in general. The first approach is called the “separationist” or “no aid” interpretation. In separationist interpretation, the clause, as historically understood, prohibits Congress from aiding religion in any way even if such aid is made without regard to denomination. The second approach is called the “non-preferentialist” or “accommodationist” interpretation. The accommodationist interpretation prohibits Congress from preferring one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause. The clause itself was seen as a reaction to the Church of England, established as the official church of England and some of the colonies, during the colonial era.

    Indeed, this subject is about EVERYONE’s religion — around the world.  Especially so, if we are spreading democracy into every corner of the globe.

  56. Excellent discussion until the very last sentences.  The subject is an active duty officer interjecting himself and his religious views into a partisan political discussion.  Side issues could be the Constitutional issue involving accommodating a religious belief the exercise of which is in conflict with US law.  Real problem.  The Morman example is excellent; as is the whole issue of faith based federally funded organizations which discriminate on the basis of gender or sexual orientation.  How did we go from those  issues to EVERYONE”S religion – around the world?  That doesn’t make any logical sense.  We are not spreading democracy around the globe…where is that constitutional mandate?  And everyone’s religion is NO ONE’s business…except when the exercise of the former violates the rights of the latter.  HELLO

  57. Dwyer —

    It all depends on who is running the country and its foriegn policy.  President Bush has said that we are fighting a war of ideology, as well as, for many reasons that are obscure, and others not so obscure … especially in the area of strategic resouces, ie. oil.  You cannot dismiss the argument that this administration and its goals may have included a push of “Christianity” around the world, that included the breakdown of separation of church versus state.  I contend that this was part of the Bush agenda, since he was purposefully using controlling elements of a reduction of funding for non-profits (making it more difficult for them to receive funding — thus sending those funds to church organizations), and “faith based organizations.”  If you also consider a manipulation of Americans with “intimidation” and illegal spying, we can then see a multi-level plan to remove our rights under democracy with Republican control, which in time was to remove the US Constitution and replace worldwide “Freedom of Religion” and “Freedom of Speech” from the world.  In time, with the ability to “know” who is supporting elements of “Mormonism” and “evangelicalism” that is controlled by the US Government (ie. Bush Administration), through the church controlled plan, we slowly become the elements of a Nazi-state … which in time with operatives around the world, and with economic influence, deliver us into not only a one world government, but also a one world religion — Christianity. 

    This ideology (from the Bush Administration) is counter to our US Constitution and elements of “Freedom” that our founding fathers created 230 years ago.  If this was their long-term plan, a conspiracy against “democracy” in the United States, then it obviously would be a drive to control worldwide governments in the long-term as well.

  58. I think we are absolutely on the same page.  This administration is a threat to our Constitution and that should be the focus; not personal religious beliefs.  Nor should we allow the debate to be distracted into a debate on specifics of religion.

  59. Dwyer —

    I agree.  I know a lot about their scheme — unfortunately.  I was privy to much of what they were up to, since I have a background in “Mormonism” and I also have ties to those who were knowledgeable about their “plan.”  From an objective standpoint, I knew something was up the minute Bush took office, and I was able to put together my knowledge about the elements of “Mormonism,” and the “Mormon” desire to see the “latter-days” … bringing on the war that would quote-n-quote have Israel and the Holyland going up like what “revelations” had predicted.  Thus, we could then have the State of Utah become that “new” Israel.  I thought it was terrible to wish that result and I have been against the Bush Administration and their war plans from the start — since I knew, but could not prove the factual connections. 

    I was told from “Mormons” that the government is highly involved and seeded in their “Mormon” doctrine.  However, even though we have a majority of CIA and FBI that are graduates of the academy, those who work for the US Government, that does not necessarily provide the “smoking gun” of information that puts it all together. 

    Ultimately, I was hoping that somehow I could raise the issues … worried about what the Bush Administration was planning. 

    Overall, this “religious” plan should not be the direction … I agree … but we should defend the US Constitution and a “saving plan of humanity” through its use, adherence to what our forefathers designed that was so perfect … so that the elements of continued war and bloodshed could be ended for at least 1000 years. 

    This is the road on how to do it … RESPECT of the 1st Amendment and not allowing the Bush Administration the desire to spread “controling” elements of the world thorugh its strategy of destruction.

  60. Dwyer –

    You either follow what the US Constitution says, or you become something a likened to the Nazi design (genocide of a specific faith or race of people).  Remember, President Bush’s great-grandfather, Mr. Prescott Bush was someone who invested money into Germany during WWII — that explains a lot.  The entire plan in this generation, I believe, was to bring Israel into the Holyland (Great Britain, WWI — completed) and navigate a means to get into the oil rich region as well … seeking any excuse possible, that could drive that direction, for gain, for glory, for safety, for revenge … but not consider the lost American lives, not consider the lost innocent lives … indeed, both the radical Muslims and Christians were on opposite ends of their arguments over who is “the aggressor” … looking for control, wealth, power, manipulation and lastly a “religion” that seeks to create a one world religion — Mormonism.

  61. Perpetual war is not the answer.  Genocide of all of the Musliims is not the answer.  Allowing WWIII in the Holyland is not the answer.  The only answer is in following what the US Constitution says under the 1st Amendment and an open debate over the issues. 

    Greatly, the Bush Administration has aimed for an aggressive attack into the Middle East, that does not necessarily bring peace … through a “nulcear first-strike” or Iran backing down on nuclear fuel “electricity” ideas.  PROBLEM: If we allow Iran to develop nuclear fuel for “electricity” … does that then equate into development of nuclear weapons in the future?  And if we allow Iran to have their nuclear fuel capacity, then does that mean we could not use force in the future, if necessary?  With dozens of nuclear facillities in Iran in 5 to 10 years, an attack into Iran could turn the entire region into a hotbed of radiation. 

    Question: “Will Iran backdown to only the usage of low level “electricity” plans?  Can we risk the low yeld material in the hands of potential terrorists?”

    Question: “What are we offering in exchange of removing nuclear capacity in Iran in any form?”

  62. For Dywer – Check out the Hatch Act regarding Govt employees participation in the election process.  Civilian Government workers are actually much more restricted in their participation than the military.  What we want and need as a representative democracy is an APOLITICAL military.  Otherwise we turn into a Banana Republic led by a military junta.
    When they are out of uniform and acting outside of their official capacities, military individuals can join a political party, give campaign contributions, work for a candidate, and finally, vote.  It appears that the error of the General was that he used his government computer to correspond with his classmates. 
    The people of the 5th CD have to decide if they want a retired general who happens to be a Christian representing them.

  63. The error of the General was that he used his government computer to PROMOTE a PARTISAN POLITICAL candidate, he used his government position to INFLUENCE.  The retired general should reputiate this kind of activity on his behalf.  His religion is NOT the issue; his ethics are.

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