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August 07, 2018 01:37 PM UTC
23 Comments
The problem with your peroration is that many Coloradans, moi included, think the sponsors of this very extreme and crassly deceptive measure ARE the bad guys!
We get it, you make money from O&G on your land, congrats. But I'd wager a guess than 99% of the farmers and ranchers selling their O&G rights have no idea what kind of health or environmental impact that activity has, and if they do, they're gambling to make money, yet risking all of their neighbors health too.
That's where the greed and ignorance has gone too far and is about to be punished once 97 passes. No one wants that activity next to homes other than the people making money on it.
Actually, my farm is not leased for energy development. But I have a brother in law and nephew who are mechanics for compressors and other oil field services.
Minor point. I am very glad Anadarko flaunts the rules, which means basically that it calls attention to them.
Hey, if you've got rules, flaunt the m.
I'd only be upset if somebody flouted the rules.
Well, well.
Who could imagine an oil and gas company putting profits ahead of public safety?
Thanks for the post, Pete
Of course, nobody on the left wants paid for their work. I guess Bill Gates is a pauper. And I'm sure you work for free.
Just think of the jobs impacted by Anadarko …
Dispatchers, EMT and hospital emergency room workers; Morgue employees; Mortuary attendants; religious leaders leading funeral services; medical rehab specialists; PR and crisis communication advisors; well inspectors; mapping company employees; attorneys and paralegals; accountants calculating payouts for deaths and injuries.
All well paid, I'm certain.
And yes, V, I drive a car and heat my home with gas — and have often been glad of the lower prices for fuel that resulted from fracking. I benefit from some investments in drilling supply companies. I don't know that 500 feet or 2500 feet is a good measurement for set backs — one measurement "solutions" seem silly to me, as it doesn't take local conditions into account.
But if the trial indicates the lack of safety resulted from an effort to maintain leases without prudent investment for safety, those responsible should have any governmental or professional licenses or certifications yanked, and the “corporate person” of Anadarko should be “jailed” for some time.
Hundreds of people die in auto wrecks every year. So, we should ban all privately owned motor vehicles. We should also prohibit the sale of alcohol. Ohh, we did that and it didn't work?
Well, two people died in a gas explossion, so we should shut the industry down and go live in yurts heated by buffalo dung.
Okay.
Seriously, don't take every word written by tort lawyers as gospel. There was undoubtly negligence in this case, but these wells were abandoned decades before Anadarko took them over.
Yes, when you buy property, you assuming liability for the sins of your forebears. But that does not make Anadarko monsters. A jury will have to determine damages. But, no, Anadarko should not be put out of business. Nor will it be.
In fact, drivers that through negligence kill innocent people are in fact punished.
The "word" is coming from former executives turned whistle-blower not tort attorneys. I expect a bit more diligence from you V. I find it disappointing.
Bullshit, PK, you are quoting from the lawsuit. I expect a bit more honesty from you.
Weak weak sauce V. Way, to continue the parlance.
And I think you mean, bullshit from me and numerous of your former colleagues that have been reporting this story out. I think you also have a paralegal background? Anyway, you probably have a better source on hand yourself, but this will do.
So, again, the (amended) complaint is based on the statements of former Anadarko employees – cum -whistle-blowers, in response to a lawsuit filed by union pensioners who are now vulnerable for the liability likely to be incurred from this alleged (another key word) malfeasance. This has been reported by numerous members of the media. But sure, focus on the lawyer.
The "crime" here is that this is a shareholder action, and not (yet) a more serious offense. Although I suppose dollars are what some people care most about.
If the COGCC is not too busy approving permits I hope they are conducting an in-depth investigation into the matter, if our AG is not already doing so. People are dead, just like people die everyday I guess (per your statements on car wrecks).
Former Anadarko brass slam company for safety risks, callousness
The ballot proposal to be worried about is the one by oil and gas, 108, which is a Constitutional amendment.
And if the response is that industry 'had' to do it because of crazed fractivists, consider the converse. That 97 is a response itself, to Firestone and all the other incidents and experiences and mishaps and issues people and towns and landowners have had with this industry in Colorado.
Perhaps the industry so quick to criticize, sue, and cry victim might look–for once–in the mirror instead? Then it could direct its millions being spent hoping to change perspectives and behavior toward where it could actually make a difference: itself.
V —
when there has been an auto manufacturer who neglected safety measures, there have been legal and financial consequences. When a professional driver is negligent in operation OR maintenance of a vehicle, there are consequences, including loss of license. School bus and trucking operations who overlook safety concerns have had their contracts and permits revoked.
When a bar employee serves obviously inebriated individuals, there are consequences to the employee AND the owner, including suspension of liquor licenses.
Nothing I've written says we should shut the industry down. I still haven't seen ANYTHING saying that already existing wells would be impacted by the new initiative, only that future drilling would require a set-back. And that would impact … 31 drills last year. If each rig drills 2 wells each month, that's 700 or so wells a year, and some (most?) of those would be drilled on property that would not be impacted. So, operations may be hampered and individual corporations may be impacted. The industry as a whole would not be.
Good luck convincing V.
The 85% figure he throws around includes all the private land that is already off limits, doesn't it, V.?
CoPols, question: so I just composed a fairly lengthy response in this thread (it probably had a half-dozen links). I made the mistake of not copying it before I hit post and it disappeared. Is there a limit on the number of links in a posting? If there isn't a way to recover it I'll probably turn it into a diary when I have time. Thx.
There is no set limit — the anti-spam machine has a mind of its own.
I just noticed it's now in the thread with an 'awaiting moderation' notice?
….and now it has disappeared.
This is like an Easter egg hunt! It's no longer awaiting moderation on this thread – it's now in the Tuesday Open Thread towards the bottom (awaiting moderation).
Probably, Duke, but that's insignificant, since your ban increases 2,500 percent, or 25 fold.
Go back to high school geometry and remember that the area of a circle is pi times the radius square. Going from a 500 foot ban to a 2500 foot ban increases the ban 25 fold — five squared .
Of course the sponsors of this.misleading ban don't mention that. The state analysid notes you go from an 18 acre prohibition to 4500 acres — from each and every dwelling
Park or other space mentioned.
In short, the current ban puts maybe 4 percent off li mits, which the extremist plan ups to 85 percent.
Yes, it's new drilling only. But 85 pe rcent of p rivate land is off limits to that new drilling, according to the state. (I haven't seen numbers for public land — probably lessimpact.
The paucity of drilling in recent years reflects the over supply of gas caused by fracking in this boom and bust industry. But eventually, new wells will have to be drilled — and of coursr putting 85 percent of private land off limits strangles the industry.
It is supposed to strangle the industry. So, wellcome to the wonderful world of takings lawsuits.
But don't worry, we'll beat your sorry asses with a negative campaign of $20 milllion plus, whatever it takes.
But having sown the wind, the far left will reap the whirlwind. All this negative advertising generates a vote no on everything atmosphere. Forget about new taxes for roads and schools. Forget about knocking off Buck or Tipton, since democrats who endorse 97 will be crushed while those who oppose 97 will be deserted by the left and betrayed by Arn Menconi type Jilliots.
It's your funeral, and you can cry if you want to.
But you can't slander tens of thousands of honest, hard-working Coloradans and expect them not to fight back.
Now THAT'S the stuff. These days, people give zero fucks about flesh and blood victims of criminally negligent homicide. But investors who got screwed out of $$ alleging causes of action under the federal Securities Exchange Act? That'll raise an eyebrow or two, even in our current mass sociopathy environment.