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June 21, 2018 05:19 AM UTC

Thursday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Be calm in arguing; for fierceness makes error a fault, and truth discourtesy.”

–George Herbert

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  2. Melania Trump is at a facility in TX right now – so far just talking with adults who seem to be saying all the right things. I almost gagged when one of them talked about taking care of the "emotional health" of the children who have been forcibly taken away from their parents.

    She is at a showplace Lutheran Center for older (12-17) , unaccompanied minor kids. She is not going to see any kids who were just kidnapped by ICE. She is not at the tent city – it’s a brick building.

    Questions that are not being asked:

    Why were the children taken away?

    When will they be reunited with their families?

    Is there even a process to reunite kids with their families?

    For comparison, here was a very successful program of intensive case management for migrant families arriving at the border.
    99% of the families served successfully attended their court appearances and ICE check-ins. The Trump administration, of course, cut its funding and shut it down:
    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2017/0609/ICE-shutters-helpful-family-management-program-amid-budget-cuts

    Here’s a note for you fiscal conservatives:

    Family case management cost the government $36 a day per family versus between $5-$7 per adult for intensive supervision. That compares to $319 per-person for a family detention center bed.

    Melania did not actually speak with any children on camera. The place looks like a nice institution – much nicer than the mats on concrete, space blanket, caged in fencing situation most of the kids are in.

    And her “tour” distracted from the mayors who did tour the Tornillo tent city.

  3. Tweetledumb just had a "press conference"  that is mostly an incoherent rant about Democrats and how many people tried to get into an arena to see him yesterday. Supposedly he met with his cabinet, although none of the cabinet people spoke.

    Seriously, this man has some mental issues. He jumps from topic to topic, always returning to his rant about how nobody lets him do what he wants and (how unfair the media and obstructive Democrats are.) How does someone who knows he’s going to speak live to the entire country not be better prepared?

    This was live on "Now this Politics" and also Andrea Mitchell / Craig Melvin live on MSNBC.

    And his "presser"  took his wife, Melania's  visit to a detention facility off the camera. Trump himself had nothing at all to say, and Melania might actually talk with a kid or two.

  4. Boulder researchers add to findings that methane output from oil and gas is 60% higher than previously thought

    A new study released today with contributions from a researcher at the University of Colorado has found that the nation's oil and gas industry annually puts out 13 million metric tons of the greenhouse gas methane from its operations — 60 percent more than the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency previously estimated.

    The study was published in the journal Science, and drew on the work of experts from 16 different research institutions.

  5. Sorry if I'm stepping on the eventual diary, but a local kid made good yesterday.

    Important Victory Against An Oil Company's Censorious SLAPP Suit In Colorado

    After prolonged and expensive procedural maneuvering — I'll spare you the details — Kolbenschlag has now won. A Colorado state judge has issued an order granting summary judgment to Kolbenschlag. The Court agreed that describing the settlement as a "fine" fell into what's called the "substantial truth doctrine." That's the notion that even if not every word of a statement is literally correct, if it is materially true — that is, if the important facts that determine how the audience views it are true — then it's true for purposes of defamation law, and not defamatory. That doctrine is crucial because it protects speakers from suits just like this one, where the plaintiff argues that some detail of a statement was technically wrong even if its thrust is completely true and the detail makes no difference in how the audience understands it.

    Congratulations, Pete!

      3. yes Pete, others are following your example of speaking up.

        In Greeley, four young people had their day in court June 20. They were sued by Extraction Oil and Gas in a civil SLAPP suit, because of protest actions against a 24 well installation next to Bella Romero K-8 Academy. They won a limited court victory – two of the four civil suits by Extraction against the protesters were dismissed.

        Two of the protesters got injunctions, meaning, I guess, that they can't protest any more at Bella Romero Academy. Weirdly, there are still injunctions against "John and Jane Doe", meaning protesters whose names were unknown. How can a judge even do that?

        It is clear that Extraction, and the oil industry as a whole, has a large influence here in Colorado. Within days of Extraction and Polsinelli filing this SLAPP suit, the judge granted Extraction a preliminary injunction and hearing. But a lawsuit put together by the people of Greeley and other concerned Front Range citizens for a Bella Romero operational injunction (to halt the project), has been sitting on a judge’s desk for OVER A YEAR

        So it's a limited victory – some millenial activists won't have their lives ruined, and Greeley is a little less totally owned by oil and gas interests.

    1. Unlike Trump's loose-cannon-firing-blindly tariffs, China, the EU, etc. are using carefully targeted limited tariffs that will inflict the maximum pain for the least cost to themselves.

      As Paul Krugman has explained many times, tariffs will damage the suppliers, but they are ultimately a tax on consumers. Thus you should only put tariffs on finished goods that you can readily buy elsewhere, never, ever on intermediate goods that you need to manufacture and export *your* finished goods. Trump is an idiot.

    2. Some people rotate soybeans as a crop in Morgan County. I've heard some grumbling about the tariffs.  Do you think that this will be Trump's next "Blame it on the Democrats – No it never happened – I never said that – Fake News! – OK I take it all back -Sorry-Not-Sorry moment?

  7. To no one's surprise, Ryan has had another false start on the vote for the immigration bill that was planned for today.  Flogging the dead horse apparently hasn't helped get it to jump up.  Maybe tomorrow's vote will actually happen and then they can give it a proper burial.

    1. Thought bubble for Nielsen: "I miss Dubya. At least, he was funny. I sacrificed my credibility for this clown."

      Thought bubble for Pence: "Dear God, the stench….I think he's gonna blow."

  9. Thought bubble for Nielsen: At what point did I think this was a good idea? 

    Thought bubble for Pence: He saved me from getting my ass kicked in Indiana…He saved me from getting my ass kicked in Indiana…

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