UPDATE: Click here?(PDF) to read the letter from the Holtzman campaign to GOP Chair Bob Martinez
According to the Associated Press, Republican Marc Holtzman may skip the state convention:
Republican gubernatorial hopeful Marc Holtzman is threatening to pull out of the state convention and petition onto the November ballot amid concerns of potential “fraud and manipulation” in how the party picks its candidates, The Associated Press has learned.
Holtzman sent a letter today to state Republican Party Chairman Bob Martinez, demanding to know why the party refused to require a single ballot for all candidates and require that ballots be given directly to delegates. They are now handed out to county captains to pass out later…
…Martinez did not immediately return a call seeking comment, but an aide said nothing has been decided on details of how delegates will vote next month.
“The party will make the decision on voting procedures and no decision has been made yet,” said Rachael Sunbarger, spokeswoman for the state GOP…
…”Sadly, we have met with objection after objection from the Bob Beauprez campaign. … It is of the utmost urgency that these matters are resolved to the full and complete satisfaction of both gubernatorial candidates,” Holtzman’s letter said.
John Marshall, a spokesman for Beauprez’s campaign, said Beauprez had agreed to Holtzman’s demands except one – putting ballot boxes at the convention in private areas. He said questions were raised about a possible fire hazard.
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’cause there’s a red, under my bed
And there’s a little yellow man in my head
And there’s a true blue inside of me
That keeps stoppin’ me, touchin’ ya, watchin’ ya, lovin’ ya
Paranoia, the destroyer!
So much for Holtzman’s claims that he has a lock on 30 percent and might reach top line. He’s setting up an exit strategy based on the assumption he won’t get 30 pct.
That’s right. We want an election that is as Free, Fair and Open as Iraq, Venezuela and Nicaragua (bastions of Democracy, as Marc Holtzman would say, Viva Hugo Chavez!). And YES, Marc is claiming the potential for “fraud and manipulation” from the Beauprez campaign and the State Party. To state Republican Party Chairman Bob Martinez we say, “I know Sunny Sunbarger and believe me sir, you are no Sunny Sunbarger.” We demand that ballots be given to each delegate and not to “Captains” who can mark ballots and then turn it in. These so called Captains could be on some candidate’s payroll. When we petition on to ballot we will get more than 10,500 valid signatures by May 25. As Lola said, if we petition on then the election at the State Convention is not fair. Was the State Convention “Fair” two years ago when some people got 2 ballots and others got none, Bob Schaffer didn’t think so and neither does Marc. We will petition on and we will WIN!
It is my understanding that they same people who worked the Coors Convention Plan are involved in the Beauprez Convention Plan. So I consider this to be a very relevant point of interest. We need a totally fair election. And demanding one is reasonable.
Did anyone else think the “fire hazard” comment was just too funny?
Maybe they should use voting machines instead.
no way. the voting machines will end up being on the payroll of whoever ends up winning.
November? Wouldn’t Holtzman petition onto the August primary ballot, not the General Election one?
Having both Holtzman and Beauprez on the final November ballot would guarantee what’s already likely: Governor Ritter. Here’s hoping…
Good strategy. If you’re going to get your ass kicked and you know it ahead of time, you might as well rant and rave and marginalize the process.
Unfortunately, it’s Holzman’s ideas that are the problem, not the process.
Let me know. I’ll cancel my room in the Springs. The choice is clear in my mind. Ritter is nice, but slow. I’m finding no real articulated differences between Beauprez and Ritter. Beauprez is an empty suit. If you want businesses, jobs, and someone with the intellect to solve the Owen’s computer problems and PERA, it’s going to have to be Holtzman. Split the vote Marc. I don’t care. It’s Holtzman versus BEAUPRITTER.
Alva – I think RomeFell wins the contest for funniest comment so far this week: “It’s Holtzman versus BEAUPRITTER”. ROFL.
I am really curious to know what the Republicans on here think the differences between the two (BB and Holtzman) actually are?
This email was just sent by Holtzman’s staff:
“Friends, please be assured that we are committed to going through the Colorado Republican State Convention.
We believe Chairman Bob Martinez (and his staff) is committed to assisting the campaigns in reaching an amicable solution. You should know we are asking for the same standards and voting procedures that are offered to the voters of Colorado in each and every precinct across our state.
In either event, we felt the need to share this with you…”
I don’t get it… What is wrong with the stuff the Holtzman campaign is asking for?
In reading the letter to Martinez, it looks like they just want to make sure we don’t have another circus tent event like in 2004.
Then it’s clear — the Holtzman Campaign will go so long as reasonable rules are met. Who wouldn’t demand that?
I agree, if the BB campaign has a problem with this then THEY are the ones who are trying to dodge the bullet!
BB’s spokesman said they agreed with all of MH’s proposals but the private ballot boxes. Although the “fire hazard” excuse is kind of laughable, unless they’re lying it seems like they’re close to compromise. Although I wonder if that word is in Marc’s vocabulary.
And why won’t Marc release his tax forms and finance data? Beauprez and Ritter both have.
“If you want businesses, jobs, and someone with the intellect to solve the Owen’s computer problems and PERA, it’s going to have to be Holtzman.”
The Colorado OIT over which Holtzman presided as Secy of Technology was the office which oversaw the implementation of “Owen’s computer problems.”
…Or we could all bring mini-pocket fire extinguishers.
That wouldn’t go over well as a campaign theme:
“Vote for me, I’m responsible for the state’s computer debacle.”
Unlike most of the name-callers on this site, I’ll look at evidence. Post it–proximate cause.
One thing refreshing about todays Holtzman meltdown, at least this time he didn’t once mention illegal immigration, legal immigration, Hispanics or brown skinned people in general as being the cause of all evil in the world, and the many failures of his life. It must have been all Holtzman could do not to use the name Martinez at least 40 times in the letter (he didn’t mention Reagan either, which really must have hurt) as part of his never ending “brown is bad” babble. This is almost more fun than should be allowed.
Anybody who was there in 2004 for the 12-hour GOP as banana republic convention will remember what a disaster the whole thing was. Top to bottom. And, prior to that convention, wasn’t the Coors Campaign thinking they could roll Bob Schaffer? And the question was, in reality, whether Pete was even going to make the ballot. That was the same convention where another group of geniuses tried to embarrass Owens by denying him the right to be a GOP National Convention delegate. Maybe they should just have the circular firing squad convene early in the day and get it over with.
Why all the focus on ’04? None of the ’04 staff remain. OTOH, the ’02 state assembly went off without a hitch. And for what it’s worth, a few of the current staff were on staff in ’02, including Gullickson.
The candidates don’t run the assembly, the GOP does.
As for those of you think that all Marc’s requests are reasonable, you haven’t thought it through. There are fair and proven ways to accomplish what he asks for – without busting the budget or forcing everyone to stick around for 8 hours – which some of his requests would do.
oh, I don’t know, it seems decent procedures should probably be expected. I can see some logic to the demands.
I would much rather listen to Holtzman rant and rave about being a Reagan Republican, than as Rebel Rep calls his opponent a BeauPritter. Afterall, the guy voted left of Mark Udall and Diana DeGette. What’s up with that? This “Principled” Conservative? Give me a break.
Just think. If BeauPritter voted this leberally when it comes to taxes in the Congress, what will he do as Governor? Ritter is starting to look a lot better than this CHAMELEON.
Thats it, Bob “The Chameleon” Beuprez. Able to change his colors and direction in a single bound. Able to SPIN out of controversial debate issues. Able to employ his “SELECTIVE MEMORY Defense MECHANISM” in order to confound his opponents and the media.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. Save two box tops and $1.95 to cover postage for your free Convention Pass and Ballot. Mailtto:
Bob the Chameleon Beauprez
c/o Bill “I’ll take it from here” Owens
Hey, wasn’t it because of BO and the REpublican machine that cause the problems two years ago. Wasn’t it BB who asked to Pro-Lifers to keep their activities to a minimum at the National Convention? Wasn’t BB the Party Chair at the time?
Of course not. Quick Bob change colors.
None of this ever happened and it was indeed a figment of my imagination. Who can blame Holtzman? I wouldn’t trust Bob with giving my sister a job, even if it was to be President of Heritage Bank. Can you say sign over your stock options?
Here is the bottom line:
1. Marc’s campaign just made up numbers after the precinct caucuses. Anyone who understands the process understood they did not have 2500 delegates.
2. The Holtzman campaign has done a count and they are not close to having 30%.
3. They know they wont have enough time to get their 10,500 signatures in the five days after the convention so. . .
4. Make up some more lies (Point 1 makes it pretty clear you guys are comfortable doing that)to rationalize skipping the convention.
5. To all the Holtzman staff that spend most of your time on this site. Why dont you actually get out and talk to some delegates instead of posting here all the time, your revolution to take back the party seems like it is down to Laura, Dick, Marc, Lola, Seymor, and a bunch of guys who would rather be at their frats kegger than talking to the grassroots of this party.
The Beauprez campaign must be in absolute denial. Every Holtzman supporter I know wears Beauprez stickers and says they are voting for Bob. Are they counting on them? They shouldn’t be.
Druid and I asked a few questions that I’d like answers for if anyone has them.
1) Could Marc Holtzman actually petition onto the November (General Election) ballot, or are we talking about an August primary ballot?
2) What do Republicans here see as the major differences between MH and BB in policy terms?
3) Beauprez is making a big deal over the fact that he and Ritter have opened their tax returns to scrutiny. What’s Marc’s reason not to?
Happy Times, secretly everyone is with you guys! The folks that have contributed to Bob’s campaign, there with you. All of the Republican elected officials in the state that have endorsed Bob, they are with you. All of the delegates to the state convention, they are secretly with you. Dick and Laura you and the frat boys are running one bang up campaign, it is the double secret probation count, the very best way to tell if someone is supporting you is if they are wearing the other guys stickers. Way to go team, keg stand!
I think the truth hurts just about nailed it. Way to sift through all the Holtzmanure.
HOLTZMAN UPDATE:
Here’s the real deal. You can always count on the media to get it wrong. From campaign headquarters:
“Friends, please be assured that we are committed to going through the
Colorado Republican State Convention.
We believe Chairman Bob Martinez (and his staff) is committed to
assisting the campaigns in reaching an amicable solution. You should
know we are asking for the same standards and voting procedures that are
offered to the voters of Colorado in each and every precinct across our
state.
In either event, we felt the need to share this with you…(“Post Story)
That is pure crap and you know it! Holtzman had a very strong turn out among delegates. DO NOT listen to the BB hacks on here and realize the truth. Holtzman is the only man who can win, BB’s name is covered in mud and this jerry mandering the vote by the state si just showing how desperate BB has become.
Up here in Mesa we’re split 50-50 and friends in Summit say its about the same so we expect a good convention and from the way this letter was written it looks like the campaigns and party want a good convention too. I went to the convention in Denver and I remember that one was bad so I’m okay with strict(er) voting and so far I see no problems and it seems we’ll have a convention.
DamnRight,
I know it is hard for you guys when someone other than a Holtzman staffer gets on this site.
Again, I will say it, you guys are making it very clear you dont have the votes at the convention and you are going to skip the most important forum for the grassroots activists of this party to have their voices heard. You thought mail and phones would change turn out at the caucuses. It did not. You dont understand delegates. But the biggest confusion for me is why you guys thought it was smart to then lie about it. If you dont have the support dont set up the logical question that everyone is now going to ask, “if you have so many delegates why would you ever skip the convention?” You guys sit on this site and trash folks all the time, but you are losing and it is your fault.
You dont have the grassroots support, the finance communities support, or the support of the states elected officials. You have a strange little rich guy and his dad’s money. That is all you have. I am sorry, you also have a job. And isn’t that what it all comes down to. You guys would not even be supporting the guy if there was not a paycheck involved.
Dont worry about it though I think there is a game of quarters going on in the back of the office. Go and drown your sorrows.
Is there some way Seymour can buy some delegates?
I can’t wait to see you BB supporters crying in your cheap martinis at the end of the convention this year. You fail to mention that fact that BB is on his way out at the federal level so he is running back home hoping that a little bit of that DC glitz follows him back.
I have no doubt that we have the delegates, I think Holtzman is justified in his assertions that the voting that took place last time left a LOT to be desired. Where you even there “Thetruthhurts”? I have my doubts.
1. I am a Schaffer guy. That is who I take my lead from, he is supporting Bob Beauprez.
2. Marc Holtzman supported Pete Coors in ’04, where was his concern for the fairness of the system then?
This letter has very convenient timing given minimarc’s stellar fundraising/check writing totals for last quarter and his polling as recently as Sunday. Honestly, did he just sit down last week and decide that the system was unfair and think that state party would drop everything with three weeks left until the convention and work overtime to instate all of his demands? Why on earth would anyone over there even open his stupid letter after the way he has trash talked the party over the past several months?
Republican’s with half a brain see Beauprez as someone who will WIN, which I believe is the point of the exercise. This is something Beauprez has now done twice in the tightest congressional district in the country. Beauprez proved in the 04 election that not only will he get R votes, but he can also pull I’s & D’s. Given the changing political dynamic of the state I do not think there is any more room in Republican politics for fanaticism.
Policy wise I am sure it is safe to say their beliefs are much the same. The difference is that Bob leads by creating consensus and does not present himself as a raving lunatic. mm behaves like a spoiled brat dictator who throws fits and demands special treatment when it looks like he will not get his way. It would be an embarrassment to the state if mm was to ever hold any meaningful position. I can only imagine the possibilities for disaster if this guy was ever given any actual power.
I think it is about time for mm to suck it up like a man. He needs stop picking fights he cannot win and go home to mommy. mm does not now, nor has he ever had a shot in hell of beating Beauprez. Ritter would beat mm by double digits. If Republicans are serious about keeping the Gov’s office they will unify behind anyone but mm.
Thats it the guy is Marc Jong Il! Didn’t Kim Jong-Il’s dad set him up in North Korea also. And they are both strange little guys.
Amen Reality Check. I think most of the Holtzman staff is all passed out now and the ones that are still functioning are using sharpies to draw a mustache on Laura.
Wow – knives are flying again. Shari must be pleased right now with all the personal insults flying around.
Reality check brings up a good point. The timing of this letter is a wee bit fishy. If he had complaints, why wait until a month before the convention to voice them publicly? Possibly as a way to create a story other than: Holtzman could only raise $213,000 after Daddy’s friends from all over the east coast kicked in, so he had to guestimate how much Beauprez would raise and pad the numbers by kicking in another $150K of his own.
They should have just make another press release about delegate votes and say they have every single delegate vote. It would be about as truthful as their last one.
It’s piled high and deep around here but want to address one of CD3 Republican’s comments. I understand from a VERY reliable source that there was NO straw poll at last night’s Summit Repubs Assembly. How would anyone know how the Summit delegates are split on the two candidates?
Interesting… I do see the points that Mr. Holtzman has concerning the issues in 2004. Anyone that was a part of the 2004 campaigns remembers the disasters going on with credentialling. Alternates received ballots, some delegates did not. And I have to admit, I really don’t trust most of the district captains when they openly support one candidate versus another. They should really practice nuetrality during a contested primary, and if they can’t do that for the sake of the system they should resign their offices.
The timing of the letter leaves a lot to be desired because it does open up the Holtzman campaign for criticism. However, when reading about the Beauprez campaign response about “fire hazards” one must question why the campaign feels that this is an issue that they should be discussing and not the state party?
I think the real issue here is that the details of the state convention have not been released by the State GOP, which can give cause to for concern for the candidates. The state party should immediately release all of the details to alleviate the questions raised here.
Until that happens, I think this is simply going to be fodder for bloggers to do the “my candidate is better than your candidate” thing.
Still don’t know where I am at in this race, though I must say that I haven’t had the opportunity to really here what the candidates think outside of a scripted speech.
Just my simple minded thoughts….
Let’s try this again. Back yonder, I posted a direct email from the Holtzman camp saying the rumor of Holtz pulling out is false. Pay attention. A lot of feelings got hurt because you people won’t read.
THE BEAUPREZ CAMP PLANTED THE STORY. JUST MORE OF THE SAME FROM THIS CANDIDATE.
And the Beauprez camp forced Marc to write and send the letter that started all of this! It’s Bob’s ninja mind control techniques at it again! Even Dick Leggit couldn’t resist!
Seriously, BeauPritter, you need to take the tinfoil hat off.
Gimme a break! The Beauprez camp did not plant any story. mm just sucks. Bottom line, he is destroying the party. Strange move for someone who is vying to be their leader. What planet does this creep live on? Better yet, I have a bridge to sell this dude in lieu of paying Ligget.
Get a life and go home!!!!! Preferably to Pennsylvania….
p.s. Thetruthhurts.. Is there really a need for a sharpie marker? I think “it” is doing quite well on it’s own.
No doubt this will bring Iron Mike to the rescue!
2004 was a travesty. We owe it to everyone who attended caucus to hold a better convention. I, for one, don’t want to be a part of a shamble again. I will put up with just about anything to quarantee a good election. I don’t care if it was bb or mh who called these demands. I support this plan from what I know about it.
from reading the rocky this morning, it looks like holtzman won this battle. so chalk up one more small victory for the guy and his campaign.
“Bottom line, he is destroying the party”
Wow, I had no idea Mark was that powerful. Should we surrender to his forces now or wait for the convention?
The real problem with the situation is that all of you Benson, Owens, and Phaseline hacks are going to do what you did in the 2004 Convention…and that’s CHEAT!
The problem with the Republican Party in Colorado is Benson, Owens, and Phaseline. And their gang of Party Hacks that spend hours defending them on this website.
I don’t care who the candidates are as long as they are far away from that unholy alliance.
What is “destroying the Party are mindless and divisive primaries which split the Party which can’t recover in time for the general–along with about $8 million in rich guy and gal 527 Dem cash. Blame it all you want on Benson, Owens et. al. but take a moment and look within yourself.
[…] The Colorado Republican Party has responded to gubernatorial candidate Marc Holtzman’s concerns about voting procedures at the State Assembly. Click hereВ (PDF) to read the revised rules and voting procedures. […]
Gee whiz, problems with elections. Wake up, Republicans. How long are you going to let people mess with your primaries & then the general election with election fraud? If you’d demand this gets cleaned up, we might have a democracy again. No, it’s more important that the Party stay in power no matter what. They did that in Russia you know.
When will this guy just fade away. I’ve been looking for a website that thinks Mark Holtzman just sucks a la Bodemillersucks.com. Maybe I should just start one. He goes and sabotages Beauprez and now he’s whining about everyone being out to get him. Boo hoo hoo. Take your wannabe politician dreams and don’t go away mad, just go away.