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March 04, 2006 09:00 AM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  1. What the hell Democrats. Can our Majority Leader look any more political and childish in today’s paper. I was hoping that Alice would have run against Ritter now I am glad she didn’t.
    First, we had a blackeye with Hanna and her “Reperations”, then a split lip with Angie and here selling off space on the House floor, now we are getting a ton of body blows with the ongoing questions about Research and Democracy.

    We need to get our Senate and House in order or we will lose all we gained in 2004. I could not believe Rep. Madden’s quote that the guy at trailhead is full of “poop”. Alice must not be getting enough oxegen to her head because she has been making some stupid comments and moves. Does She really think the Reporters, Trailhead, and the Republicans are going to give up on finding out who R & D is. She is putting all ten democrats on the chopping block. Doesn’t she realize the last thing Republicans want is to know who research and democracy is (heck they likely already know). The Republicans want us to keep us dying by a thousand cuts or stories. Ugh!!!!! Sorry for the rant just sick of our stupid ass leadership in the House and Senate (Ken Gordan excluded).

  2. “Concerned” sounds all to fimilar…like a conservative.

    Firstly, Alice IS the Majority Leader.  What happened to the House Republicans leader?

    Alice is not letting the ball drop on the wrong doings of the Republican party. The trailhead, funded by Coors, Benson etc. has been using these dirty political tactic for years, and it is time for it end. 

    When Republicans are in the wrong, which is quite often, they believe an apology will resolve the situation and no one should ever bring the topic into light again.  However, these hypocrits will not set the standard as equal to Democrats.  They exploit rumors as fact.

    We have all had enough of this fanatical party.
    VOTE THE REPUBLICANS OUT.

  3. Actually, I have a better topic.

    How about the Republican tactic of disinformation?  When they make everyone political look bad, they are put into a win-win situation with the campaign platform of “smaller government.”  They claim they want to keep the government ?Out,? of our personal life. Is it not Republican who into intrude into our bedrooms, take away women?s rights, scapegoat the poor, and label all immigrants as ?Mexican.? There is certainly as lot of racial and sexual frustration built up in that party.

    I?ve failed to find a true Republican these days.  They are either connected at the hip to Focus on the Family, Corporate interests (Philip Anschutz, Pete Coors, Bruce Benson and many more), or they are just plain crazy like Stengel, Lundberg, Schulthies, Welker, Hefley, Harvey, and so on and so on. 

    What do you say?

  4. I myself can’t imagine anyone that would brag about being a liberal………….Take money from those that earned it and give it to those that are too lazy to……..Seems to me to be the liberal agenda…….Say it ain’t so.

  5. Hey Dirty 12 I am a moderate and I pretty much agree with “concerned!” comments. I think both sides have behaved poorly but the ball is now in the D’s court. Maybe Rep. Alice M. will utter something like “let them eat cake”, next. LOL.

  6. Gecko,

      Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, healing the sick. Yeah, you are right, what kind of person would think those are worthwhile things to do?

      I am with you. Money should stay in the hands of people who have inherited it and watched the interest payments on it grow, like me. Let those lazy people take care of themselves.

      Damn liberals, thinking that every child deserves an education, clean air, and a chance at a better life. We know those things should be reserved for people who earned their money honestly, like the CEO of Haliburton. Not lazy bums like the Tennessee sanitation workers unionists.

      What we need are some good lie and spend conservatives, like George Bush. Not some liberals who might try and balance the books.

  7. Great week for the Democrats
    Ken Gordon is a dead ringer for Foster Brooks. But, he has no chance
    Fern O’Brien does not draw flies to her news conference.
    Deanna Hanna continues to embarass her party by delaying the inevitable
    Alice Madden sends a stupid letter to the Republicans and clearly threatened Hank Brown. A man of integrity who does not take kindly to threats.
    The only good news is that Foster Brooks fans everywhere will embrace Gordon

  8. While I agree it wasn’t a pretty week for Dems, in reality it wasn’t a good week for either party. It really just highlighted the corruption and lack of organization in Colorado politics.

  9. Aaron:
    Which is why TABOR passed. Only people with an agenda would bother running for our legislature. Twenty years of legislative incompetence lead to TABOR; since then TABOR has limited legislative incompetence to selecting our pet rock.

    And I am an opponent of TABOR. In times like these (and most of the others in CO legislative news), this isn’t an easily explained position.

    The only redeeming factor is that our national congressional delegation is even worse. Maybe we need TABOR for the US Gummint. Then it won’t matter what morons we elect.

  10. Well said TakeBackTheHouse! Our society, our culture, and our government will be more representative; will build a better country; will promote peace and economic justice, when WE THE PEOPLE demand it.

  11. We held our LDD up here in Larimer yesterday. Once again Beauprez found a way to screw up a wet dream.

    First of all his crew tried to make it into a Beauprez pep rally and did nothing but tick off half the room. The other half were just left wondering if when he was going to get his act together. Then during the private reception before the dinner, Congressman Pence of Indiana gave his endorsement to Draft Dodger Bob. But, even though he made a near identical speech as the Keynote Speaker, during the dinner he backed off. Those of us who heard him speak in the reception could tell at what point in his dinner speach he was supposed to give the nod to Bob, but… He didn’t, backed off entirely. And it’s not that he wasn’t in the name dropping mood either, he all but tied the work Marilyn and Allard did on the Marriage Amendment to the salvation of the free world.

    I did not realise it, but Lola Spradley has quite a few friends in Larimer. And from what I saw, she is very influential. No wonder she was able to do what she did in the State House. That lady is great. She worked the room like a champ, taking advantage of Bob’s slip-ups and converting quite a few folks to the Holtzman/Spradley Team. No stupid straw poll this time, but if there had been one about 30% of that room would have gone for the Holtzman/Spradley Team.

  12. “Thanks [Iron] Mike, that provided a wonderful assessment of what you observed, and objectively reported.

    Posted by: Sir Robin at March 4, 2006 09:07 PM”

  13. The House GOP is rallying behind Congressman Beauprez because he is a proven leader!

    Here are a few facts about Bob Beauprez:

    Bob Beauprez is a proven leader and dairy farmer!
    Bob Beauprez is willing to waste as much money as he needs to if it prevents an illegal from getting a job, that’s how much he cares about the issue lately!
    Bob Beauprez is Colorado!

  14. Iron Mike: I was at a dinner recently attended by both Beauprez and Holtzman. I found it interesting that during the social hour, Beauprez stood in one spot while Holtzman worked the room, and after everyone was seated, Holtzman continued to work the room, going from table to table while Beauprez stayed in his seat. Maybe there is some political tactic I’m not familiar with, but I would think Holtzman’s method would be more effective.

  15. TakeBackTheHouse:  Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, healing the sick, all very worthwhile endeavors for both private and public institutions. My problem is with your assessment of the rich as evil crooks who should be paying more in taxes.  I am decidedly middle class, but if I work a little harder my tax rate will jump from 28% to 35%.  I don’t think I should be penalized for working harder.  There is more than enough tax money already collected to help the truly poor and sick.  As I said in an earlier post, if the government was a charity, I wouldn’t donate to it.  Too much bureaucracy and red tape, not enough money going to direct goods and services. Reduce the bureaucracy and get more money to those who really need the help.

  16. TakeBackTheHouse:  Feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, healing the sick, all very worthwhile endeavors for both private and public institutions. My problem is with your assessment of the rich as evil crooks who should be paying more in taxes.  I am decidedly middle class, but if I work a little harder my tax rate will jump from 28% to 35%.  I don’t think I should be penalized for working harder.  There is more than enough tax money already collected to help the truly poor and sick.  As I said in an earlier post, if the government was a charity, I wouldn’t donate to it.  Too much bureaucracy and red tape, not enough money going to direct goods and services. Reduce the bureaucracy and get more money to those who really need the help.

  17. I was at the Larimer LD dinner.  Didn’t see a single Holtzman supporter who wasn’t a staffer, and I don’t know of any either.
    Yes, Spradley is respected, but a good LG candidate can’t save a bad ticket.  People vote for the top and the top is crazy.

  18. I was at the Larimer LD dinner.  Didn’t see a single Holtzman supporter who wasn’t a staffer, and I don’t know of any either.
    Yes, Spradley is respected, but a good LG candidate can’t save a bad ticket.  People vote for the top and the top is crazy.

  19. For those who might have missed this in the sports section, the U.S. Forest Service is maintaining a public comment period through March 30. You can send your comments to:

    SRS_Land_Sales@fs.fed.us

    The Bush proposal is to sell 300,000 acres of Public Land, part in Colorado. Available first to state government and nonprofit land trusts at market value.

    If my memory is correct, the money was to be used for rural schools. If our financial house was in order, these land sales would not be necessary. I agree with Udall’s comment that you don’t sell off the family jewels for short term benefit.

    Say NO to these land sales, and yes to Peace. Golly, wars are expensive aren’t they!

  20. Why is the media ignoring the DPS scandal?
    Manual High School was closed for one reason.
    The senior staff and School Board are closing Manual simply to imrove overall CSAP scores. The displaced students are not counted for CSAP& purposes. In short you raise your CSAP averages by screwing the kids at Manual and wasting millions of tax dollars. They say the Superintendent is clever and brilliant. It is a shame that minority students at Manual are paying the price for his cleverness

  21. Joe must be on a certain payroll, becuase if he was really there, he’d know BB’s “standing ovation” consisted of 15 people. Out of a room of 160.

  22. Okay… funny story of the day… it’s getting around to the activists that Beaupreaz is telling people the White House wants him to run. He’s even telling people Karl Rove is a regular contributor to his campaign.

    Anyone else hear that? And does it sound as ludicrous to you all as it does to me?

  23. I attended my Lincoln Day Dinner last night in Salida and was appalled to see how arrogant John Anderson, a canidate for congress, was to stay seated twice during standing ovations for Joel Hefley.  Hefley as served our county and district well and to see Anderson thumb his nose at him was enough for me to vow not to support Anderson.

  24. Chaffee GOP:
    I, too attended the Lincoln Day dinner last night in Chaffee.  I was seated towards the back of the room.  I found it amazing that they ASKED people to stand up for Hefley in the beginning and then again Beauprez told people to stand.  I have always felt spontantious standing ovations are way more heartfelt than the ones that are asked for.  Hefley’s position may deserve respect but the Hefley the man has not been the most kind to anyone that dare challenge him…including Anderson.  I met Anderson for the first time last night and after hearing his background and experience in defense of this nation, I can’t beleive you would be so “appauled” over a petty matter.  It just shows me one more reason to vote for someone who is not influenced by appearance or how he will look to the voters if he doesn’t go along with what everone else is doing.  At least he stands for something…and yes, the pun is intended.

  25. For all of you out there who might be outdoorsy types, Republican, Unafflilated, Democrat, or other – Sir Robin’s comments are nice, short, and informative above: selling off these Forest Service lands is just plain stupid.

    Among the targets in Colorado: land along the road to the trailhead to Grays and Torrey peaks; large areas of the Pawnee National Grasslands.  And the one that hits close to my home: MANY (>70) parcels in the Arapahoe-Roosevelt NF complex, which is under heavy development pressure already; these parcels include one decent-sized chunk less than a mile from my house (and bordering a NF campground area – how dumb is that?), many inholding areas around Nederland, Sugarloaf Road, and along upper Boulder Canyon, a good-sized chunk just past Eldora (the historic Hessie townsite area?), and the St. Mary’s Glacier and surroundings.

    All of this to replace funding that’s being sucked up by oil subsidies to companies making record profits?  Now I’m PISSED.

  26. Pay too much and you could raise the alarm
    By BOB KERR The Providence Journal 28-FEB-06 PROVIDENCE, R.I.

      — Walter Soehnge is a retired Texas schoolteacher who traveled north with his wife, Deana, saw summer change to fall in Rhode Island and decided this was a place to stay for a while. So the Soehnges live in Scituate now and Walter sometimes has breakfast at the Gentleman Farmer in Scituate Village, where he has passed the test and become a regular despite an accent that is definitely not local. And it was there, at his usual table last week, that he told me that he was “madder than a panther with kerosene on his tail.” He says things like that. Texas does leave its mark on a man. What got him so upset might seem trivial to some people who have learned to accept small infringements on their freedom as just part of the way things are in this age of terror-fed paranoia. It’s that “everything changed after 9/11” thing. But not Walter.

      “We’re a product of the ’60s,” he said. “We believe government should be way away from us in that regard.” He was referring to the recent decision by him and his wife to be responsible, to do the kind of thing that just about anyone would say makes good, solid financial sense. They paid down some debt. The balance on their JCPenney Platinum MasterCard had gotten to an unhealthy level. So they sent in a large payment, a check for $6,522. And an alarm went off. A red flag went up. The Soehnges’ behavior was found questionable. And all they did was pay down their debt. They didn’t call a suspected terrorist on their cell phone. They didn’t try to sneak a machine gun through customs. They just paid a hefty chunk of their credit card balance. And they learned how frighteningly wide the net of suspicion has been cast. After sending in the check, they checked online to see if their account had been duly credited. They learned that the check had arrived, but the amount available for credit on their account hadn’t changed. So Deana Soehnge called the credit-card company.

    Then Walter called. “When you mess with my money, I want to know why,” he said. They both learned the same astounding piece of information about the little things that can set the threat sensors to beeping and blinking. They were told, as they moved up the managerial ladder at the call center, that the amount they had sent in was much larger than their normal monthly payment. And if the increase hits a certain percentage higher than that normal payment, Homeland Security has to be notified. And the money doesn’t move until the threat alert is lifted.

      Walter called television stations, the American Civil Liberties Union and me. And he went on the Internet to see what he could learn. He learned about changes in something called the Bank Privacy Act. “The more I’m on, the scarier it gets,” he said. “It’s scary how easily someone in Homeland Security can get permission to spy.”

    Eventually, his and his wife’s money was freed up. The Soehnges were apparently found not to be promoting global terrorism under the guise of paying a credit-card bill. They never did learn how a large credit card payment can pose a security threat. But the experience has been a reminder that a small piece of privacy has been surrendered. Walter Soehnge, who says he holds solid, middle-of-the-road American beliefs, worries about rights being lost. “If it can happen to me, it can happen to others,” he said.

    (Bob Kerr is a columnist for The Providence Journal. E-mail bkerr@projo.com.) (Distributed by Scripps Howard News Service, http://www.shns.com.)

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