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December 19, 2017 06:29 AM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“Every wave, regardless of how high and forceful it crests, must eventually collapse within itself.”

–Stefan Zweig

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  1. WOTD: "Taxonomy of Oligarchs"

    Precisely why American oligarchs, plutocrats who uniformly decry the power of government to take their stuff, should imagine that a cadre of individuals whose personal fortunes derive precisely from the power of government to do exactly that, is their natural ally is for the moment a question left open…. One can at least wish that American oligarchs would realize that the Russians are coming for their money before it is their turn to sample Russian prison life from the inside or to explore the slimming effects of a diet high in polonium.  American liberals, for our part, can remind our own faction of the oligarchic class (for there is one) that plutocrats and kleptocrats are not friends but mortal enemies: kleptocrats are predators, and plutocrats are their natural prey.

  2. WOTD2: "Trump was warned by the FBI (about Russian attempts to infiltrate)"

    As we have learned more and more over these last months about the Trump team’s numerous contacts with Russian nationals and government or intelligence officials, the key defense has always been that president-ing wasn’t their background. So if it looks fishy it was really just that they were naive or inexperienced.

    Here’s where this additional fact becomes interesting. Let’s say it was just that: all these things were happening but Trump and his inner circle didn’t realize it was a problem. Okay, so far so good. Having received this warning, though, you would imagine someone might have said: “Wow, I sure hope these counter-intelligence guys don’t think our Russian friends who totally aren’t spies are spies. Maybe I should ring up that CI guy from the Bureau who told us to keep an eye out.” Or perhaps, “Man, we’ve sure got a lot of Russian friends we’ve met during the campaign. And that’s because we’re awesome. But I guess these FBI guys are really suspicious. So maybe I’ll just mention it so there’s no misunderstanding.”

    I have this weird image of Jared Kushner sneaking into the Russian embassy in the trunk of a limousine. Can't find the link.

        1. Vlad Putin is a master craftsman. There is evidence now that the Russians interfered in the Brexit vote last year in the UK. Also interfered in the Catalonia referendum. Maybe also in the German and French national elections.

          But, hey, Moderatus. Trump and Putin are still best buds, right? 

        2. It's Putin's new Cold War, now played in propaganda and cyber-assisted manipulation. Expect Russia wherever they have something to gain, like destabilizing NATO.

          Our State Department is all but neutered, our reckless reneging on international agreements from TPP to climate change and the declaration on refugees and migration has turned us into at best an untrustworthy power, and our top officials are so corrupt it'll be a wonder if even liberals think government is a good idea by 2018. Our populace is being told that our most elite institutions of law are somehow plotting a coup or an assassination, and our judgeships are being stacked with people who don't know the basics of court procedure.

          If this isn't Putin's fondest dream of an election outcome, I don't know what he was aiming for. Former DNI Clapper's frank assessment is scary but feeling more "right" by the day: Trump is a Russian asset.

    1. But he starts from a big disadvantage. He doesn't have the name recognition that Lebsock has nor is he will do say and do outlandish stuff (so far as we know) to continue to get lots of attention and publicity.

  3. Party people in the house, say Yeah!  Hey, you guys won another something.

    A single vote just created a rare tie in Virginia’s legislature

    NEWPORT NEWS — A Republican seat flipped Democratic in a wild recount Tuesday – with the Democrat winning by a single vote – creating a rare 50-50 tie between the parties in the House of Delegates and refashioning the political landscape in Richmond.

    Democrat Shelly Simonds emerged from the recount as the apparent winner in the 94th District of the House of Delegates, seizing the seat from Republican incumbent David Yancey. A three-judge panel still must certify the results, an event scheduled for Wednesday.

    1. One more race outstanding there. The Republican incumbent leads by 84 votes, but 147 voters were given a ballot for another district. Not sure how the judges will rule on that one. It'll be a hell of a ride if they order a new election.

  4. Hey Dacats and Daquettes, us Democrats really do care about you, but Christmas.  You'll still be here when we get back, right?.

    Democrats unlikely to force DACA vote this week, probably averting shutdown

    Democrats are backing away from a pledge to force a vote this month over the fate of thousands of undocumented immigrants brought to this country as children, angering activists but likely averting the threat of a government shutdown at a critical moment in spending negotiations with Republicans and President Trump.

    With a deadline of midnight Friday to pass spending legislation, dozens of Democrats had vowed to withhold support if Republicans refused allow a vote on a measure known as the Dream Act that would allow roughly 1.2 million immigrants to stay legally in the United States.

    But a group of vulnerable Democratic senators facing reelection in conservative states next year aren’t willing to go that far — meaning the party is unlikely to muster the votes to block the spending bill.

    1. We'll see. There are other more heinous possibilities of spending ram-throughs that are more hill-to-die-on for these particular Senators. Things like CHIP renewal and ACA fixes on our side, and trying to pass Defense increases for the year without matching domestic spending on the GOP side. And surely the Gilead and Burn-It-All-Down caucuses won't let the opportunity pass to try something.

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