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The Answer Is Still No, "Party of No"

by: Colorado Pols

Fri Mar 13, 2009 at 08:53:22 AM MDT


It seems Senate Minority Leader Josh Penry has taken his case for "compromise"--as we've been discussing for several days now, the blanket stonewalling hasn't been working out too well--to the Denver Post editorial board.

Whether to remove a 6 percent limit on the growth of state government's general-fund spending has become one of the most contentious and partisan issues before the legislature this session. Meanwhile, all the fighting could be a waste; for as it stands, the solution the Democrats are seeking could prove illegal...

Not according to the best legal opinion we've seen on the issue, but we'll come back to that in a moment. The Post continues:

A central problem with the Democrats' original plan is that it depends on an interpretation of state law that suggests lawmakers could repeal the 6 percent cap on their own. Opponents say the matter must be settled by a vote of the people because the cap was locked into place by the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, and that if Democrats repeal Arveschoug-Bird without a popular vote, they will take the matter to court.

We would much prefer that lawmakers reach consensus, build a coalition and take a proposal to the people. We would rather see a statewide vote settle the matter, as it would avoid the courts and remove any doubt about legality.

Would voters buy such a plan? We see no reason why not. After all, it wouldn't raise taxes...

It seems Penry made a really impassioned plea to the Post board, but that last sentence sums up the gaping hole in their resulting analysis--repealing the Arveschoug-Bird limit won't increase taxes, revenues, or spending. Which is what former Justice Jean Dubofsky said in her excellent summary of the issue:

Although TABOR requires that "limits on district revenue, spending, and debt" cannot be "weakened" without voter approval, the repeal of Arveschoug-Bird would not increase state revenues or spending. Therefore, the General Assembly has the authority under TABOR to repeal Arveschoug-Bird. [Pols emphasis]

What this boils down to, though the Post was apparently too deferential to get it, is the simple fact that Republicans say they will sue if the A-B repeal passes. The threat of a lawsuit is what the Post claims to fear, even though proponents don't fear it. And it's that speculative fear of a lawsuit which caused the Post to recommend abandoning the current proposal and seeking a two-thirds majority vote in both houses to put the repeal on the ballot this fall.

Isn't that cool? After all these weeks of pearl-clutching obstruction and bad faith, Penry proposes a "compromise" that really isn't squat out of one side of his mouth while threatening a lawsuit from the other! And his "solution?" A referendum that isn't necessary and will give Republicans a whole new soapbox to prattle from for the next eight months--if a two-thirds majority in the Assembly can even be found to pass it.

No deal, folks. Democrats need to stick to their guns and reject this last-ditch stab at relevance, from a caucus that has squandered its legitimacy this session in fits of histrionics, convenient amnesia, and straight-up falsehoods. Fortunately, indications are that is exactly what will happen today early next week as Senate Bill 228 moves toward final Senate passage.

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Thank God Josh Penry's Name Is Back In The News
   I went all day yesterday without seeing Josh Penry's name in either the headline or the first sentence of a ColoradoPols thread.
  What a relief this thread provided this morning.

Perhaps you'd prefer
For us to wait until today's news isn't?

We don't make the news, or pick the leadership that makes the news. Sorry you find that so vexing.


[ Parent ]
Yeah
The Pols definitely need to stop talking about the highest-ranking Republican in the legislature and probable gubernatorial candidate. NOT.

Seriously, what's your problem? This isn't the first guy the Pols have drilled relentlessly, but you seem to be taking more umbrage than usual. And I would say he deserves it richly.

Repeat after me: "I have never supported Dan Maes.  I have always supported [Dick Wadhams to fill in the blank]." --ClubTwitty


[ Parent ]
Drill baby drill
Drill here, drill now.

Sorry, had a Republican moment. Now back to our regularly scheduled Penry-bashing.

"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof." - Christopher Hitchens


[ Parent ]
Dubofsky is a hired gun for leftist causes . . .
The nonpartisan Legislative Legal Services has held a contrary opinion to her conclusion for a long, long time.  Even Democrats and leftist groups held that A-V could not be repealed without a vote of the people until very recently.

What is this
A-V you keep referring to? Are you confusing the law with overhead projectors?

[ Parent ]
Sometimes I fantasize ...
...about writing long, well reasoned posts here.  When I don't follow through I usually rationalize it by looking at my insanely under compensated over booked calendar.

And some days I get off the hook because CoPols says what what I would have said. (When he says it briefer and clearer- well, I just have to live knowing there are better writers than me out there.)

I have seen the Dubofky opinion and though I hear over and over about something from OLLS- I haven't seen it.  I think those spreading that rumor should put up or shut up.


Unfortunately it does exist.
I hadn't opened this diary, sorry.



OLLS sent this
out in 2004.

The important bits are questions 9 and 10 at the end.

For what it's worth, I've read both, agree with Dubofky, and believe that SB-228 would stand.

"I'm all naked and wet!" - Homer Simpson


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