Anarchists Making DNC Riot Plans

Hmmm...

Do anarchists really plan ahead that much ?

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 11:52:15 AM CST

Nope

And I don't see them calling themselves anarchists anywhere on the website.

Maybe the title of the article would be better put "Sedalia Nutjob Registers Confusing Domain Names", but that's less sexy.

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by: MissionAccomplished @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:28:47 PM CST

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ROFL

made me laugh, mission !

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010

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by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:46:17 PM CST

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Anti-war protestors planned Chicago's riots

I lived in Lincoln Park where the riots were but was out of town the day it hit the fan. We were at a Ford event in Dearborn, and I can remember my schock when I saw the first clips on TV in a hotel bar.  This was just after losing MLK and RFK to killers and after the riots in Paris, which I also witnessed.

Friends and colleagues were gased around the Hilton, which I avoided. Chicago was in turmoil for some time after the convention, which cost the Dems the election.

I doubt Hick will issue any "shoot to kill" orders, but I hope he brings in experts on crowd control and managing riots.

The country's noway as upset about Iraq as it was about Vietnam, and an incumbent VP won't be running. Today's anti-war leaders are mere shadows of the hippies who protested against Vietnam, and the Iraq war will be at a much different stage in 2008 than Vietnam was in 1968, when thousands of troops were coming home in body sacks.

NYC controlled protestors in 2004 and Denver will in 2008, I'm thinking.

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by: Another skeptic @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 15:00:12 PM CST

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Agreed, and well said.

"I can tolerate chaos, I'm just not sure chaos can tolerate me" Dylan

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by: Sir Robin @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 20:49:38 PM CST

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County jail?

Is the new county jail going to be open by then?  I hope so, because we're going to have to put the anarchists and other protesters somewhere.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:15:58 PM CST

"and other protesters"

So you are against the freedom of speech?

The more and more you write on this blog, the more apparent it becomes that you are not a Democrat.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:55:00 PM CST

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Hardly

The protesters I imagine who will camped out in the county jail are the ones I anticipate will be camped out on our streets without a proper permit and illegally blocking traffic.  Insert this into my prior posting.

Very much a Democrat here, just not into allowing hoodlums doing illegal activity to disrupt our convention that we tried so hard to get, thereby shoehorning a Republican into office for the next 8 years of destruction of our country and planet.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:04:45 PM CST

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Free speech, cont'd.

I love free speech and cherish it as much as you do.  That's why the protesters need to obey the law and scream their message from the rafters or whatever park or sidewalk they happen to be on (legally).  Just, they should please not break windows, lie down on our streets, throw things at visiting delegates, attempt to protest in areas that are off limits due to security, etc.  Is law-abiding protesting out of fashion?  Where is Martin Luther King, Jr. when you need him?

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:11:52 PM CST

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All hat no cattle

I'll bet three pasty white teenagers show up to protest and that's about it.

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by: mountain man @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:20:21 PM CST

Yep.

With black clothes, nose rings, eyebrow rings, ear rings, black makeup, army boots, and black flags and desperately in need of a bath.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:24:44 PM CST

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Probably be much worse than that...

Mobs are mobile these days.  Hopefully this won't turn into a G8 Summit type event.  But, also hopefully, we'll see something a bit less obnoxious than the "free speech" zones of the past several elections.

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:31:25 PM CST

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Or ten?

Somehow, fighting for minimum wage increases or health care doesn't have the same motivational level as the war in Viet Nam.  Even Iraq doesn't draw the ire, and we might well have some plan in place by summer '08. 

I'm all for protest, even violent in some situations.  But now?  Come on.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:48:31 PM CST

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"fighting for minimum wage increases or health care doesn't have the same motivational level as the war in Viet Nam"

LOL, so true!  I think a giant gyrating mob scene is highly unlikely.  You'd have to pull us off our golf courses and yachts:)  Not bloody likely!

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 19:59:40 PM CST

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Don't mention golf courses and yachts

parsingmythology will think you're serious!

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" Ronald Reagan

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by: Lester Government @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 06:35:44 AM CST

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:)

Having grown up on the water and my father having been a boatsman all his life and a yacht broker, I know a yacht when I see one.  And Chatsfield Reservoir has no yachts!  So, I cleverly presumed Lauren was joking.  Right?

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 09:35:46 AM CST

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Right!

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 10:15:27 AM CST

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"A question ain't really a question when you know the answer, too."

John Prine

I knew you knew.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 11:32:33 AM CST

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I just hope...

...this doesn't turn into the battle for seattle type event...especially if Hillary receives the nomination, the ulta-left will be apt to riot

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by: Busta6 @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:33:09 PM CST

These folks are the type

who will riot no matter what. I was at Seattle (I lived there at the time and was out of work that week) and the black shirts took advantage of the enormous crush of protesters. Also, the Seattle PD clearly had no idea what was in store. All the major political events like this since then have had better planning for keeping order, and the DPD has a year and a half to prepare.

They don't like any Dem, except maybe Kucinich, so it doesn't matter who gets the nod. And as we all know, we'll know who the nominee is months before the convention.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:42:32 PM CST

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Chief Whitman

Yeah I agree with you. I just hope the Denver PD doesn't fuck anything up. You're on notice Chief Whitman!

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by: Busta6 @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:23:17 PM CST

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Whitman

Gerry's a really good guy--I wouldn't wanna be him though with this convention coming to town and all the anarchist & friends circus too.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:41:55 PM CST

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Isn't this kinda an oxymoron?

I mean aren't most all Democrats/Liberals already antichrist (anti-religion) types?

Just wondering, I thought that is what FFF said awhile back.

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 12:59:33 PM CST

Gecko, nice hand grenade lob

interested to see if you catch any fish!

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by: El Paso Rockefeller Republican @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 13:19:35 PM CST

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No

How could that even be possible? 95% of Americans believe in God (a god) and are religious. If Democrats encompass say 35-40% of the population, how is it possible for most of them to be anti-religion?

We are against the state regulating religion. Keep the government out of my church, and keep the church out of my government.

I would suggest that Democrats follow and practice our moral beliefs in politics more often than Republicans.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 13:21:20 PM CST

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Yep.

I agree.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:42:44 PM CST

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Ummmm.....

That figure about what percentage of Americans who go to church or believe in God seems to keep escalating.  And, believing in God does not necessarily translate to a religious or spiritual way of living. 

Conflating church and state is, indeed, a right wing phenomena.  I, too, like keeping the "church" and state separated.  Rather a liberal idea, we should try it!

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 14:46:21 PM CST

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Agnostic Athiest Percentage

I bet it is higher than 5% of the population...

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by: CrazyOkie @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 19:00:25 PM CST

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The estimate is that 80% of America is Christian. About 10% doesn't believe in God.

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by: Dr. Dobson has God-like qualities @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 19:28:36 PM CST

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We've kicked the antichrist types out...

They're now welcome in the Vampires, Witches, and Pagans Party.

We keep the anti-religion types around to annoy the crap out of some of the more radical elements of the GOP.

</snark>

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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by: Phoenix Rising @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 13:23:00 PM CST

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You asked for the convention, Denver, and you got it.

Now deal with the protests and politics that come with it. This isn't a travel convention where folks come from all over the country to see what a pretty place Denver is. I know that's how it was sold to the public, but that's not what a political convention is about. This event is a magnet for weirdness, protests of every issue under the sun and moon, and, potentially, violence.

Denver officials better figure out how they're going to handle it, because this Dem convention promises to be one of the more controversial ones, especially if W keeps his Iraq War going for two more years and the war remains a hot-button issue. Plus, you can bet that the Seattle protestors, and/or their soul-mates, will be in Denver with the sole intent of disrupting the proceedings.

If you think raising money for the convention has been difficult, you haven't seen anything yet. Planning for containment of the worst possible violence (Plan for the worst, and hope for the best) will be a nightmare. How will Denver keep control without Hick looking like Daley in '68?

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by: OneEyedOwl @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 15:03:48 PM CST

Look to NYC 2004

There are tons of police around the world who have coped with these violent protestors since the WTO riots. They go around consulting cities and PDs that haven't had the, uh, privilege of hosting a major political gathering like this. That's not to say that each event isn't unique and that the unexpected can't happen, but as long as they don't just sit back and let it get out of control it will be fine.

If the actual number of protestors remains low there won't be any trouble at all. If there are tens of thousands then the potential for trouble will be great.

That's exactly what happened in Seattle. There was a big protest parade of 50 - 100,000 following a designated march route to the convention center where the more hardcore people were already waiting. The police had a hands-off attitude which emboldened the rowdier element. Some of the streets were so packed that it took 10 minutes to go one block. Get a few people to smash out a Starbucks window and start looting, and the shit hits the fan.

I had to go downtown every day to escort my wife and walk with her a mile and a half to where the nearest buses were - the protests meant no service in downtown Seattle. (And her stupid office didn't decide to close up until hours after the riots hit full swing, then tried to stay open the rest of the week.) There were streets that were relatively clear but every now and then you'd get the whiff of tear gas.

There's a good reason why we haven't seen that repeated, at least here in the US. Everyone knows that the potential for trouble is huge so they now know to establish and keep order.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 15:53:26 PM CST

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I can't wait!

It is going to be such a circus around here!  Welcome to the Heartland, nutters.  Here we don't catch-and-release you freaks.  The Heartland doesn't have a heart for weirdos.

I can't wait to see how this dusty ol' cowtown meshes with the freakiest, most anti-American people around.  I have a feeling that the hippies won't return after they see how, um, NOT freaky Denver is.

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by: Dr. Dobson has God-like qualities @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 19:27:10 PM CST

OMG

Hold me back, readers! I know...we agreed....(deep breath)
Ok, I've let it go. Thanks for the support.

"I can tolerate chaos, I'm just not sure chaos can tolerate me" Dylan

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by: Sir Robin @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 20:51:16 PM CST

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Anarchists Planning

And they're in agreement with the MOST ORGANIZED of radicals, the unions.  Good luck with all that, folks.

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

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by: Yokel @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 21:44:26 PM CST

Say wha'????

Where do you get your news from? A year and a half out and the unions are already in cahoots with the anarchists?  Unions are very organized, why would they hold hands with them?

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 22:07:49 PM CST

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Not so much organized anarchy

Just noting that unions weren't happy with the shindig being at a non-union site, and hadn't ruled out protesting.  But, then, that's from a Brit paper (The Economist), and not the insider word, so there's probably more to it.

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC

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by: Yokel @ Tue Jan 23, 2007 at 23:09:58 PM CST

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They seem to be cooperating for now.

"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell

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by: parsingreality @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 01:01:09 AM CST

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I'm late to this party...

Maybe it wasn't on their website yesterday, but it is now.  Recreate68 seems to be an offspring of the All Nations Alliance.  That's Glenn Morris et al (maybe even Ward Churchill).  Not exactly a band of anarchists waving the black flag, but potentially good at stirring up trouble.

Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place.  And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans. - Douglas Adams

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by: GeoGreg @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 12:56:39 PM CST

Same old same old

Ward Churchill and friends are organized anarchy, whereas the anarchists are unorganized anarchists.

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by: MiddleRoadDem @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 16:38:53 PM CST

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Does the Denver Police know?

Sure, I know it was in the paper and all, but really... are we sure that the Denver Police is aware of this so they can understand what they are going to need to gear up for? They need to be prepared for the worst even if we all agree this will likely turn into nothing.

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by: WinstonSmith @ Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 14:35:21 PM CST