Beauprez Compares Himself to Jake Plummer

Typical

The guy lost the election and still gets run down on this liberal blog.

Oh well. At least ColoPols admits that Plummer sucks too.

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 15:07:37 PM CST

Oh gee.

Beauprez does not get run down by Pols because Pols is liberal.  Beauprez gets run down by Pols because Beauprez is an idiot.

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by: CO Democrat @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 15:20:25 PM CST

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Idiot is an awfully strong word.

I know BB is not stupid. He would not be where he is, accomplished the things he has, or even had a chance to run for Gov if he was an idiot.

What is your definition of 'idiot'?

Not running the best of campaigns does not make one an idiot in my mind.

An idiot is someone of low IQ.
That is my opinion, and BB does not fit that mold.

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 15:28:19 PM CST

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"Idiot" too strong a word

How about saying he is in denial?

"Didn't run the best campaign?" That's like saying that Hoover had a few problems during his presidency.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 16:34:44 PM CST

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My point is

that the man is NOT an idiot.
How many thousands of us voted for him for the Gov office? And how many voted to elect him to his previous positions?
Saying he is an idiot is akin to calling these people idiots too.

That said, if it is ok in liberal's eyes to call him an idiot, is it not ok to call the Dems first choice for Gov an idiot for how the elections were run in the black hole known as Denver? Or for Hick's denial that the same black hole is a sanctuary city?

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

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by: Gecko @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 17:22:21 PM CST

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You need to argue this

with someone who called him an idiot. I was AGREEING with you on that point.

That said, he's clearly not accepting his responsibility for his own hand in his pathetic showing at the polls - and yes, in this state a Republican of his stature, although not guaranteed victory, should not have been blown out at the polls so his showing can be rightly called pathetic. That's all I'm saying.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 18:29:12 PM CST

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I love you man!

Gecko, you have a good point.

Beauprez is NOT an idiot.  The people who voted for him are idiots.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010

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by: Ralphie @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 19:41:45 PM CST

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Even smart people do idiotic things ...

... Beauprez may be the genius of this century but he acted like an idiot in the interview in question by not accepting any blame for his failure.

If his base didn't turn out 80% to vote for him, who should accept responsibility for that?

On Dec 20, BB was an idiot.

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by: Hello2007 @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:03:08 PM CST

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Yeah.

And Bush is a fucking brilliant politician.  It ain't about what you know, it's what your connections are. 

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by: CO Democrat @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 18:32:29 PM CST

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We didn't compare Beauprez to Jake Plummer

The guy does it to himself, over and over.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 15:27:43 PM CST

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yep

he's an idiot.  and suffers from foot in mouth disease, to boot.

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by: roll the idiots @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 16:04:08 PM CST

hoof in mouth disease?

I knew he was standing too close to that horse when they filmed those commercials.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 17:04:41 PM CST

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is it possible for BWB to sound any more pathetic?

  I think "Mommy" needs to take him down to Cancun for some "Mexico Time."  I am glad he hasn't ruled out the Senate race in '08.  I'm counting on a high level of debate between B.W.B., Tancredo, and perhaps Janet Rowland in the GOP primary.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 16:43:42 PM CST

Who is he kidding?

Bob Beauprez ran one of the worst political races ever.  It's time that he acts like an adult and takes the blame for one misstep after another.  When you are running for political office, you should be on top of everything that goes on in your campaign.  Don't put the blame on the voters not turning out; they did, and they voted for the right man for the job.

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by: Political Junkie @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 18:37:58 PM CST

And compare that to John Marshall

Who at the Colorado Media Matters clearly stated that the major fault lay with the campaign. Very classy and taking on responsibility for the loss.

I'll agree BWB's not truly an idiot. But I can understand people calling him that after the campaign he ran. And for his comments afterwards like the above.

Can we agree that how he ran his campaign was idiotic?

Tom Tancredo Interview

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by: DavidThi808 @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 18:55:04 PM CST

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<sigh>

It's a damned good thing the voters are smarter than he is.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010

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by: Ralphie @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 19:37:56 PM CST

Just a thought...

Maybe Beauprez didn't want to diss his campaign because doing so would, by implication, diss John Marshall - for whom Beauprez despite all retains a great deal of loyalty.

Can't argue with that.

But he has no business comparing himself to Plummer. Plummer worked his butt off, did the very best he could, achieved a lot for Denver during his time as the top QB, and has been a total class act all the way in the way he's handled the transfer to Jay Cutler.

People who say Plummer "sucked" are acting like immature kids. He's a good man, with great skills, incredible drive and more class in his fingernail (yes, even his middle finger fingernail) than those people will ever have.

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by: Tancredo Watch @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 20:01:13 PM CST

Sorry, TC

but saying that the man who flipped the bird to his home fans on one occassion, and who was involved in a stupid road rage incident on another, has any class is simply giving him more credit than he deserves. I won't dispute your other points about Plummer, but I will dispute this one.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 21:10:17 PM CST

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Er... TW. Not TC. TW.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 21:11:03 PM CST

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Oh c'mon, Aristotle

I specifically mentioned the regrettable middle-finger incident. The guy's been a QB for what, nine years, and he has one situation like this which was due likely to his own frustration with his performance?

And if you start bringing in off-field conduct (conduct for which the other person was willing to drop charges, if I remember correctly), then I'd assume that off-field conduct by even the great John Elway would be open season. And I don't think that's fair either.

I just think Plummer has been a terrific class act in the way he's handled his demotion in favor of Cutler.

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by: Tancredo Watch @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 04:41:49 AM CST

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if we're talking about class

then these incidents matter. Classy people don't let their tempers get the better of them and make them do stupid things. But I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:37:23 AM CST

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Barrack Obama,

who strikes me as a pretty classy guy, talks in his book about getting so frustrated with his opponent, Alan Keyes, that he was filmed in an angry exchange where he made the mistake of poking Alan repeatedly in the chest.  Everyone loses it occasionally and in the heat of a campaign I can see even the classiest people having lapses.

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 08:42:04 AM CST

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There is a difference between a heated exchange...

...between candidates for an office and illegally attacking your opponent to make a last ditch effort to win a race. Beauprez attacks his opponents because he had nothing to hang his hat on.  No accomplishments of merit.

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by: CO Democrat @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 09:30:54 AM CST

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I was responding to the comment on Plummer's bird flip specifically

and occasional lapses in temper in general.  You can lose it from time to time and still be classy, IMHO.

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 11:09:04 AM CST

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wasn't Keyes' main campaign issue......

.....which of the two of them was more black?

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by: One Queer Dude @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 10:23:19 AM CST

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From what I remember,

Keyes had three main issues.  Abortion, abortion, and abortion.

But yes, there was that "I'm blacker than you are" issue. Didn't seem to stick with voters though.

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 11:10:59 AM CST

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Dont forget

He disowned his daughter because she was gay.

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by: Mr. Toodles @ Thu Dec 28, 2006 at 20:36:03 PM CST

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Seems like as good a time as any...

Who's excited to see Cutler vs. Cincy on Sunday?  The kid looks like he's starting to get into the swing of things.

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by: Far Removed 1 @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 20:09:00 PM CST

I want to see Beauprez vs. Cincy.

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by: OneEyedOwl @ Wed Dec 20, 2006 at 20:44:00 PM CST

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I'd rather see Both Ways MOVE to Cincy

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by: One Queer Dude @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 05:53:06 AM CST

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I think Beauprez could have run a campaign with no missteps

and still lost.  He really never caught on with the base.  No excitement, no fierce loyalties, at least that I could see. Combine this with a decidedly blue swing in the state and nation, he really never stood a chance.  The Dems would have had to run a completely unappealing candidate to lose this one.  Ritter's pro life stance and DA background made him appealing to the U's and R's who weren't crazy about Beauprez.

Marshall is a class act.  I suspect we haven't heard the last from him.

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 06:44:12 AM CST

timing-positioning

Glad to see a post that looks further than the "poorly run campaign" defense. Agreed that a well-run campaign could not have overcome poor timing and positioning.

Beauprez was very successful in Congress. This was in part due to adherence to the party line during his tenure. There couldn't have been a worse time to run as a party-line washington politician.

Beyond that Beauprez staked out his far-right territory and never budged. That positioning may have been required to avoid a Holtzman primary but made it impossible to win the general against a centrist. I am not in the camp that blames the R loss on Holtzman. If the message isn't strong enough to carry a primary AND a general I blame the candidate not the opponent.

BB is no idiot. He's an intelligent man that was doing a good job for us in Congress. I always thought that it would be better for the state if he stayed there. Looks like it would've been better for him too. 

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by: Miss Ive @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:23:46 AM CST

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"very successful in Congress"?

  How exactly do you define "success"?  If you mean that B.W.B. avoided ending up like Tom Delay, Bob Ney, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, Don Sherwood, or Mark Foley, then you're correct, he was "very successful."  But that's not a very high bar to traverse, even for most Republicans.
  If you are comparing Both Ways to his Colorado Republican colleagues, I guess you could also call him "successful." 
  He's gotten some amendments to legislation passed (most notably, the threatened cutoff of foreign aid to Mexico re:  failure to extradite fugitives). 
  His Colorado GOP colleagues, of course, have been successful in passing squat.  Tancredo got the 700-mile fence approved but then failed to get adequate funding for the fence authorized.  Musgrave and the Potted Plant have their Federal Marriage Amendment about which to crow. 
  Joel Hefley actually tried to be effective in disciplining Tom Delay but was bounced from chairing the committee which had jurisdiction over ethics.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:33:24 AM CST

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Kinda figured I'd take a hit from the Cpols crowd

No, I don't consider lack of indictment as an indication of success. Do you consider it an indication of failure? Your disdain for Tancredo, Musgrave, and the others mentioned is not strong rationale that BB did a poor job.

BB rose to a position of influence, was able to represent CO well and succeeded in bringing us funding. He may not align w/ you philisophically and maybe you prefer more of a maverick but it will be a while before we can get one of our delegation back to position where as much good can be done for CO.

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by: Miss Ive @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 15:10:54 PM CST

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What kind of influence?

What has Beauprez done for Colorado? 

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by: CO Democrat @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 15:54:11 PM CST

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Lauren

why the hell were you awake at 5:45 am on a snow day?!

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by: Car 31 @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 11:59:22 AM CST

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I know I know

it's an affliction.  I want to sleep in, I really do!

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 08:46:04 AM CST

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Beauprez: Step Up and Accept Personal Blame for Campaign Loss

Beauprez is definitely in denial regarding his gubernatorial campaign loss. 

The principal reason Beauprez lost:  Beauprez himself.

He flip-flopped on numerous issues, which made his Both Ways Bob nickname stick throughout the campaign.

He opposed Ref C. 

He selected Janet Rowland as his running mate.

He wanted to replace the gas tax with an increase in the sales tax.

He stood next to a horse’s rear end, while wearing a black hat and complaining about the bad smell of politics.

He talked about a 70% abortion rate among Black women.

He accepted illegally gained info from the NCIC database, which led to an FBI investigation.

He suggested raising college tuition.

He believed elk could be trained to migrate off oil and gas sites.

He ran one of the 10 worst compaigns, according to the Washington Post.

He was criticized by fellow Republicans Campbell and McInnis for selecting a campaign staff not up to the task.

The national political climate had very little to do with Beauprez' loss at the state level.  Beauprez' screwups were self-inflicted.

The result of all Beauprez' missteps:  voters questioned Beauprez’ ability to lead, and, thus, voted accordingly. 

Colorado voters made the right decision!

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by: justthemessenger @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:31:48 AM CST

A really competent Republican candidate could have prevailed in Colorado's governor's race in '06......

  Remember, this is still a Republican state with 172,000 more register Republicans than Democrats.  (I know, some of them are those damned RINOs.)  If Arnold Schwartznegger could win in a blue state like California (the land of fruit and nuts), Jodi Rell could win in a liberal, Democratic state like Connecticut, and Tim Pawlenty could win in Minnesota, the home state of Walter Mondale, Hubert Humphrey, and Paul Wellstone, then why could Both Ways not prevail in a red state like Colorado.
  It was because he ran an idiotic campaign.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:39:14 AM CST

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To add to that.

Colorado Republicans have a registration advantage.  But Beauprez did go too far to the right.  He wasn't successful in congress, just more so than his fellow Colorado GOP (except for Joel Hefley).  I think most Coloradoans are independent minded and want a state Government and Federal Representatives that are independent minded and Beauprez is definitely not independent minded.  Allard's lack of independence is why he is becoming more unpopular these days. 

Colorado is not a blue/Democratic state.  It is not a red/Republican state.  It is a purple/swing state.  A moderate state.  This is the reality of Colorado politics. 

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by: CO Democrat @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 10:54:56 AM CST

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I basically agree with you......

  But I wanted to give this state one more election cycle before proclaiming Colorado truly a purple state. 
  Besides, it looks alot more impressive when Bill Ritter wins by 15% and Dems increase their majorities in both houses of the legislature when running in a red state than in a purple state.

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by: One Queer Dude @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 11:59:24 AM CST

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As long as the 4th, 5th, and 5th districts

continue to send hard right clowns to Congress we'll never be able to call ourselves a blue state, even if a Dem wins the Senate seat in '08.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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by: Aristotle @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 12:15:42 PM CST

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True true.

At least the 5th had Hefley and now they replace Hefley with the new clown on the block.

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by: CO Democrat @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 13:51:06 PM CST

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did he ever get that seat on the Armed Services Committee, like he was promised?

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by: One Queer Dude @ Thu Dec 21, 2006 at 15:11:12 PM CST

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You are probably right OQD

but in this election cycle, the stars would have had to align just right for an R to win.  If the Dems had run a scary candidate (scary to R's that is) and the R candidate had been more appealing to the majority of R's, then yes, an R could have one.  None of that happened though, and I still contend that Beauprez would not have won this election against Ritter even without all the missteps and mistakes. 

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by: Lauren Bacall @ Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 08:53:27 AM CST

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