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Desperation Move for Beauprez Camp?

by: Colorado Pols

Wed Oct 04, 2006 at 16:16:52 PM MDT


UPDATE: Nothing happened this morning at 9:30. The only people who showed up at the State Capitol were a Denver Post reporter and a couple of people from Colorado Media Matters. Apparently this was just another wild rumor from TotheRight.

As TotheRight reports, Bob Beauprez's campaign has apparently found the widow of a man who was allegedly killed in a traffic accident involving Bill Ritter decades ago in Africa. The woman will appear at a news conference at the state capitol in what TotheRight correctly calls a huge political gamble.

If this is true, this could be a potentially devastating move...for Beauprez. No matter how the Beauprez camps spins this, to the public this is is likely going to look like a pretty disgusting political maneuver.

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Maybe if Beauprez
spent less time seeking out people from Ritter's past and focused on showing Coloradans what his vision is he wouldn't be 17 points behind.

And just to remind you, while Ritter was doing Missionary work in Africa, what was Both Ways doing?

That's right: selling the family farm to housing developers to build a water-guzzling golf course.
 

While I don't approve of the dramatic license
If a candidate for a major public office has an unresolved offense (as is alleged) the matter should be cleared up.  Image what we would be saying if the name of the candidate was Jeb Bush instead of Bill Ritter.  We would damned well want to know then.

Surely there's a police report or some document that exonerated him.  He should produce it.  Maybe he will and he's allowing this controversy to go on for some political purpose.  I can't see why.

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Not a controversy
Really, it's not a controversy for anyone except Moonraker, and now possibly Bob Beauprez.  Outside of this web site, who really has given it much thought?  A few people are aware of the accident, but they are more interested that Bill Ritter was in Africa doing missionary work in the first place.  You seem to spend too much time talking to partisans (of which, admittedly, coloradopols is a good source).

"... politics has been divided between two types of people: those who want more people to vote, and those who want fewer people to vote."
- Sen. Kerry
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I understand now
People were more interested in the largely good and honourable service Lt. Calley provided in Vietnam and didn't really care about an incident in a little village in a far away third world country. 

I say it again.  If this was Jeb Bush, candidate for Governor, instead of Bill Ritter, candidate for Governor, you would all be singing a very different tune.

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You know, I don't think so
If you read the right wing blogs (and someone named "andy bradshaw" has posted to redstate - you get around my friend) that have reported this story, the respondents are pretty much uniformly disgusted that their side would consider it. If the shoe were on the other foot I think the left wing would be just as appalled. Left or right, most people are decent and have their limits when it comes to negative campaigning.

http://www.redstate....

The redstate article sounds suspicious - unnamed Zambian lawyers, mysteriously disappearing documents, naked political tone - so I for one don't buy it. Not until something more substantial comes along. But you knew that...

http://www.totherigh...

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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You make wonderful arguments for not knowing,
based on the "tone" of the people who want to know.  Where would scholarship be with arguments like yours?  These people who argue that the world is round, why they have an agenda, their arguments sound suspicious.  I'm disgusted, let's not find out, better to remain ignorant.

Let's look at the case of President Jefferson.  I suppose you would argue that the claims of his mistress' heirs shouldn't be aired because it all occurred a long, long time ago and how will we ever really know?  And a great many Southern whites would agree with you that it is disgusting and the tone political and naked and constituting an agenda.  But I argue, what is wrong with knowing?

While it is certainly proper for you to dispute the allegations as they stand, incomplete as they are, why would any thinking person argue that we shouldn't investigate further?  As citizens of a Republic, we should face the flaws of our leaders unblinking, lest we turn those leaders into gods.

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Your arrogance has finally gotten to me
What I'm arguing for is clean campaigning. I know virtually every politician has his blemishes - as does most business leaders, artists, garbage collectors and anyone I may happen to encounter.

You lend legitimacy to dirty campaigning. If you want to know - please be my guest. Go to Zambia, find the village, check out its records. If anything doesn't jibe with Ritter's account, let us know. I sincerely doubt this is a new Chappaquiddick, but maybe you can find out.

You must be a lawyer - very good at twisting words beyond their intended meaning. I'm very disappointed.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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What does this mean to you?
“It’s not whether you win or lose, it’s how you play the game.”

To me it means that parties and candidates take a back seat to the democratic process, to our rights, or freedoms, or liberties.

I’ve long remarked on this site about the way in which Americans participate in politics, like teams at play, hating the other side and going the limit to win.  In a nation where an ice skater employed a henchmen to put out the opposition and a cheerleader tried murder to ensure a place on the team, things are bound to be rough.  But I’ve grown concerned at attempts by partisans to suppress dialogue, because that diminishes the democratic process.

Some posting here argue that certain questions shouldn’t even be asked.  In debate, they ignore the question to attack the motivation or “tone” of questioner.  This is all aimed at suppressing questions, ideas, thoughts with which they are uncomfortable.

And it’s both sides.  It reminds me of some of the first cases linking Roman Catholic priests and the molestation of children.  On one hand you had the Catholic Church and its attempts at suppression, talk of agendas, challenges to authority, and so on.  On the other you had groups like the Gay & Lesbian Journalists Association, with its own methods of suppression, name calling, imploring that no mention be made of the sexual inclinations of many of these priests.  Don’t ask this, don’t say that, no one should know.

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I'd like to think not.
I would like to think that I am above the fray when it comes right down to it. Sure, I know the scandals, but I am equally critical if I think that it is warranted. I much prefer a policy debate over a scandal one. Scandal debates are all about rumor, conjecture and innuendo. Policy debates are more substantive and real, in my opinion.
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Policy debates are more important,
but it would be interesting to know whether or not the chief law enforcement officer of Denver for 12 years had an unresolved incident (possibly criminal) in his past.  It is interesting in its own right and politics plays no part in making it interesting in its own right.
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This also explains
where Moonraker has been.  In Africa, looking for this woman.
whatever
Go for it Bob.  Show all of Colorado what a piece of crap you are.

" And there are no Christian terrorists."

The Beej, circa 8/26/2010

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Evidence
Does anyone here have any proof that this is:

A.  True?
B.  That Bob Beauprez's campaign is behind it?

And it's fairly well known that "totheright" is not exactly Beauprez friendly, having been started by Holtzman friendlies.

I don't know what the motivations are behind this and I'm pretty sure that it would be impossible to actually produce this woman.

Without any proof that this isn't anything more than crazies saying crazy things, Pols puts this up there as if it's true.  And as would be expected, you all jump on the bandwagon because it's an excuse to accuse Bob of some pretty bad stuff.

I cannot find any evidence outside of that website to confirm this.  Doesn't anyone on this blog do their homework before opening his or her mouth?

How long does it take to get a visa for an old lady from Zambia?  Is it really that easy?  The only ones guilty of going over the top so far seem to be many here on this blog.

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Don't Get All Mad . . .
This is a blog after all, speculation is most of the point.

ColoPols is just relaying what was reported in another source, the posters on this thread are just waxing about the news and its potential.

We'll know the answers to your questions soon enough.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

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*
What's the * for?
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Nothing Really
Before there were registered accounts here I just posted as RubyBlue.  But, when the new system was set up, I found that somebody had registered RubyBlue before I could, although they don't seem to have ever posted.  I just put the asterisk on there as it doesn't change it much and it seemed funny at the time as I assumed somebody was trying to piss me off by registering RubyBlue.

I take it you're a Bond fan?

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

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Was
lost interest over the years.  Like the name though.
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Bondisms
There's a wealth of cool names from the Bond movies when I think about it . . . I may rip off your idea in the future.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Which is it Moonie?
Do you want Both Ways Bob to bring out the woman you've been touting for weeks now or do you think it would be a bad move for him? Are you tring to have it "Both Ways" Moonie?  BTW....maybe the reason Bushy was in town was to help expedite that visa?
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According to this blog
all news is bad news for Beauprez. 
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Cripes
There is no good outcome possible with this one. 
smacks of
Terri Shiavo ... this will send the "well, at least he's a Republican" moderates scurrying.
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Actually
This will prove once and for all that "well, at least he's a Republican" - at least the new and "improved" kind of Republican.

Disgusting.  I really hope this turns into a nightmare when the lady gets a chance to speak freely.  Wonder how much money they offered her...

"I have come to the conclusion that the making of laws is like the making of sausages-the less you know about the process the more you respect the result."  -- Anonymous IL State Rep. circa 1878

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wow
A new low for Colorado politics. Here's a question; who would consider political office worth going through such public harrassment. That leaves you with the segment of society that is available to run our state. Pretty sad.

I hope the BB camp reads the early response on the blogs and thinks twice about this stunt.

I think
Didn't you say, Miss Ive, that you were supporting BWB in this election? May I be so bold as to ask if this changes your mind about your selection?
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Toodles
You're reading my mind. Strangely enough, I was just thinking about that before checking this thread.

I've met Beauprez, like him, and think he'd be a good governor. On the other hand, I have to respect the people I give my vote. Right now I think this would tip my vote to Ritter. But as Bob would say "that's just at this hour! It could change any moment!"

I guess that makes me a RINO.

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$5 bucks
says they call off the press conference and decide to NOT bring in the widow.  Classic Both Ways behavior.....
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its cancelled
you win $5
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whu hu...
I'm awesome. I'm awesome. I called it. I called it. 
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Where do you see...
...that it is cancelled? The GOP still reserved the west steps for 9:30am tomorrow morning. The stories tend to overlap. Why else would they reserve the time and space?
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so what

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so?
It's now 10:45 a.m.  Did anything happen at 9:30 a.m. on the west steps of the Capitol?
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told you so
I told you last night this was nothing.  Reservations at the cap steps mean nothing.  Where does the $5 go to???
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no surprise......
  I trust the Ritter campaign has been prepared for this and will respond in an appropriate manner.
  The Both Ways' people didn't the bump in the polls from Shelia Towns and other plea bargain cases. 
  What else can Beauprez possibly do expect play this card (and maybe the eating of the monkey meat story).
That does it!
Ritter ate monkey meat? Sounds like a threat to traditional marriage to me. At the very least, it confirms our borders are not safe.
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Ohhhh...
Sure it's simple. A footnote of humor really, But, never, ever, EVER have I laughed so hard. Never. God love ya.
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I remember a passage about eating monkey meat
from "A Bend in the River".  I think they smoked it (like bacon) as a preservative.  It made one of the missionaries in the book go off his food and eat nothing but Danish butter cookies.  That's what I recall, it's been 20 or more years since I read the book.  I think the author's brother was still kicking around London then, so it's been a while.
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I wouldn't worry about it...
Both Ways Bob will probably decide not to hold the news conference after all.  But if he wants to resort to something like this, he can go for it.  I'd say that this would be the last nail in his campaign's coffin except he seems to keep pulling out more nails every day.  How many does he think that coffin needs?
Any verification of this?
Is there any other source for this besides TotheRight.org?
It's like
Reminds me of a phrase from the 80's:  Mutually Assured Destruction.  Bob can't win this, so he'll tarnish Bill as much as possible making him lose his "voter mandate" and win with a host of unfavorable tags.  Just like Crank did with Lamborn. 
aghh!
HANS,  YOU ARE AN IDIOT FOR TRYING THIS!
don't blame Hans
This is Trailhead not the state GOP
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Let's consider this a gift
Fellow Coloradan's:

It is my personal opinion that this will be the biggest gift one could bestow upon the intelligent candidates on Nov. 7 -- and to the Democratic party.  Please Mr Beauprez, I  beg you, do not cancel this press conference; the only way we are ever going to rid, once and for all, the state of its right wing zealots is for this to happen.

Gov. Owens, I have supported you throughout your entire reign.  Shame, shame to you.  As a principled leader, do you really believe this is what we want people to believe the Colorado Republican party has become?  Shame on you. As the figure head of the Colorado Republican Party, THIS will be your legacy. Do you really believe in your heart that Bill Ritter committed a crime?  I think it would be a good use of your time this evening to be with your priest and examine your conscience. 

Congresswoman Musgrave, as a principled conservative, do YOU condone this activity? What a convenient distraction to keep the constituents of your district and Congressman Beauprez's from being reminded that you have YET to condemn House leadership for their participation in the cover-up of the Congressman Foley affair.  As a life long Republican, all I can do tonight is to pray for your souls.  You have become the instrument of the prince of darkness while parading as a compassionate conservative. Just when will this election be about the people you serve, about health care, education, opportunity?  Just when?  I must venture that we will never get that answer from you.  It is all about holding the power now.

I am hanging my head in shame, for all of you.

Don't blame us
This has nothing to do with us
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A lot of melodrama there
but think about it again.  Do you remember when old Kurt Waldheim was Secretary-General of the United Nations and we all thought he was just as nice as pie and then he ran for President of Austria and we found out about his record as a Nazi war criminal?  Maybe you are too young.

For my part, I like to know about someone before I place my trust in him and especially before I turn him into a hero.  This whole Africa thing sounds more like a misunderstanding than anything else, but what I can't get over is why old Bill just won't produce something or someone to back him up.  Is it pride?

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Did you read the Denver Post profile?
It contains testimony from a fellow missionary. Not sworn testimony, but someone is backing him up.

I don't know if record keeping and retention in Zambia is up to typical first world standards, especially in a village, but my guess is that it's not. There may simply be no record to produce at this point.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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Here it is...
Ritter and Billy Fuller, a fellow missionary riding with him, say they scrambled out of the car to see whether the man, an elderly villager, was all right. Then, they placed him in the back of the truck and rushed him to a hospital, they say. The man, whom Ritter soon discovered was the father of a local priest he knew, died within 24 hours.
The day of the accident, Ritter and Fuller say, they contacted the police and church members. The police, after interviewing witnesses, cleared Ritter of wrongdoing, according to church officials. The U.S. State Department does not track such incidents.
Ritter says accidents were common in the underdeveloped country. He sought "spiritual counseling" from priests and other missionaries involved in similar episodes, he says.
"Bill was just devastated," Fuller says. "He didn't go to Africa to kill somebody. He went over there to help."

(1) Billy Fuller was in the car and possibly a party to the accident.

(2) Ritter was cleared by police "according to church officials".  Who?  Will they come forward?  Did Billy Fuller say so?  Any documents?  A police report? 

All questions Bill Ritter would have asked when he was DA.

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Not necessarily
You are assuming a few things here. (1) you are assuming that since this country was under british rule that it maintained these same standards past the point of its independance in 1964. (2) You are assuming that Ritter would try a case where there is little physical evidence and a, roughly, 20 year span between the date of the accident and the "trial." (3) you are assuming that their is information out there too either clear or implicate Ritter. None of these things is available. Take a look at the CIA world fact book on Zambia: https://www.cia.gov/...
I think they have bigger fish to fry with the median age being 16 and the life expectancy being about 40, than trying to find documents that are twenty years old.
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Looks like you finally beat me
Still, my record is, what, 4-1?

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
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Waves of Change
This is the first of many to come!
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I'm assuming none of that,
but I am not assuming that just because it's no longer run by white guys that it has gone back to the bush.  Shouldn't someone give Zambia the benefit of the doubt and ask for the records?

(2)Cases are often reworked after twenty or more years and these questions are routinely asked by investigators and prosecutors.

(3) Again, I assume nothing, but think we (or rather, he) should ask.  Nothing wrong in asking, unless you know the answer or don't want to know.

You have the last word on this.  I had to go in for some treatments today and I'm a bit tired.  I'll read your goodnight in the morning.  All the best, my friend.

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On a serious note
I hope everything is well. Nothing too serious as far as the treatments are concerned.

Now back to the debate.

I could be mistaken on this, but I thought records had been asked for and none were delivered. Correct me if I am wrong.

Cases are often reworked, but that is usually done in with new technology or new evidence that either wasnt available before or was unknown. For all we know there maybe a video of the entire thing, but considering the circumstances I doubt it. Plus this is a third world country. From what I have heard the accident happened in the bush, so getting someone out there that speaks the dialect and who can collect evidence and witness statements is not as easy as it would be in the capital (Now I am the one making the assumptions). Prosecutors or investigators always have to wary of the lapses in time. People may forget details, or fill in the blanks with what they feel happened. There are numerous studies about where people actually were when something traumatic happened (learning JFK was shot) and then where they remember they were, and often the two dont equate.

As far as asking is concerned, Ritter may know the answer, whether good or bad, and may not want to relive the whole experience. He also probably does not want to define his campaign around what happened 20 years ago. If the information is out there, than I can almost guarantee that someone has reviewed it for both sides just in case.

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good questions
But in the absense of documents (if they can go to Zambia and find the widow, they should have been able to find the documents if they existed) then I'm going to take them at their word.

Maybe you've been a lawyer so long (taking a stab in the dark when I say that, I realize) that you want to get all the facts, all the documents, all the witnesses in order to piece it together. But a prosecutor would drop the charges if s/he couldn't do that, right?

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

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Ha!
So sweet the victory!
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Fair enough,
but I do want to know because to grant an individual such power makes me want to know.  I would have wanted to know about Mark Foley.  People with power can be a bit frightening with it and it's often too late once you've given it to them.

Besides, when he is Governor it will all come out.  Someone will write a book, or a feature in the New Yorker.

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It could be a lot of things
I really dont think that this is as big an issue as is trying to be made of it. If this happened in the mid to late 80s, which I think it did, Ritter may not have gotten documents that he was exonerated at the time, or if he did he may have lost them. If he were to turn to the government of Zaire (?) and ask them to send copies they may not have any either. Relying on a third world country to have records that far back is a little absurd.

I dont believe that Ritter has been turned into a hero. And he has earned my vote for his record and his stances on the issues of today.

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Beat you to it again


"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
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I will beat you, oh yes.
I am about to enroll in a typing class to get my words per minute up. One of these days, that two minutes will be mine!
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Zambia, formerly Northern Rhodesia, and once a member
of the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, is a member of the British Commonwealth of Nations.  It had a British trained civil service when Colorado was still the wild west.

It is no more absurd to request a 1980s driving record from a member of the Commonwealth than it is to request a 1970s driving record from the State of Maine.

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And remind us
How did that turn out?
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The record was produced and the people could decide
accordingly.  I don't care so much about the outcome, so long as the process is as open and honest as possible.
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whoopsie
I meant to post the Denver Post profile link with my post.

http://www.denverpos...

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808

[ Parent ]
What??? This election isn't about health care, education, opporunity!
It's about gay marriage.
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retaliatory strike by Ritter being prepared?
  I hope Ritter has in reserve some decent material on Both Ways' friends in the Russian mafia.  Not to be used, or at least, not to be used in a first-strike capacity.  This is how the U.S. and U.S.S.R. avoided nuclear war for 45 years:  the threat of mutually-assured destruction.
  This is also how Bill Clinton reportedly handled Daddy Bush in the '92 campaign when Daddy Bush was threatening to bering Jennifer Flowers. 
Agreed
I hope he doesn't cancel the conference . . .

This is just embarassing the GOP in what has already turned into a losing year.  The more of a spectacle Beauprez makes this, the more voters are going to turn away from that kind of politics.

With all the Trailhead trouble, and Republican candidates disorganized and embarssing themselves across the state, there could be some seriously blue turnaround in CO that will finally gain some wider strength than the Boulder/Denver/Aspen crowds.

It's funny that partisans tend to overlook dirty tactics when they're doing well or in a close race, but when they're losing I see more disappointment with the candidates when they pull stunts like this.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

Don't forget
Jeffco and Aurora are blue, not to mention big parts of the Western Slope and Pueblo, all in all. Old stereotypes die hard, but it's not just Denver-Boulder-Aspen anymore.
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This blog should be called
Lord of the Flies.
Then let me be the first
To grab the conch shell from your cold blogging hands and knock you upside your shill-filled head. 
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Gee Laura
I guess you feel comfortable that you'll be plea bargained down to "trespassing on farmland" and not do any time for your acts of violence.  You'll probably eat me too.
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Golding's Lessons . . .
Lord of The Flies is an apt reference, as the GOP has employed a 'monster in the jungle' sort of politics for a long time now.  Beauprez's take: If you vote for Bill Ritter, a brown horde of illegals will overrun your neighboorhood, murdering and stealing at will, only to be given a free pass by the tax-and spend liberal governor. 

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Good point
But we should extend it to all conditions of politician.  Both sides use it: Communism, Social Security, Higher Taxes, For the Children, and so on.
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Good book!
I think it was Golding's first.  I remember when it came out, back in the day.
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Brilliant move by the Beauprez camp
Great strategy by the BB camp.  I am now convinced the Junior Varsity is no longer in charge - someone with more than two brain cells is calling the shots now.

1:  Leak the information
2:  Make the information public via blogs
3:  Deny the leak
4:  Question the credibility of the source
5:  Let the 527's pick up the issue and run with it
6:  Deny, Deny, Deny
7:  No worry about future subpeonas.


Nefarious
I really hope that's not the case.  I sort of doubt they sent in somebody capable of that kind of PR chess when he's this far behind, although the GOP seems to have unlimited resources for that sort of effort.

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
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Subpoenas?
This isn't Soviet Russia.  We can still question the past doings of our masters.  At least for now anyway (give Bush a couple more years and who knows).
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Newbie comment
OK, I'm new to this state, but I remember reading about this in the long story the Denver Post did on Ritter. I thought it was about the only thing that made him interesting.  And, that gave him 1 up on the other guy!
Newbie's right
How this plays with average voter?

My guess is average voter says, "Huh, where's Africa?"

Personally I hope he doesn't do it.  Not because I don't want to see him fall further behind, but because this obviously has nothing to do with CO politics.

Ritter was in Africa doing missionary work and a tragic accident occurred.  Having worked overseas and experienced a similar incident, (a friend died in a bus accident) the Beauprez camp, if true, has sunken to a low they could never recover from.

How slimy is a candidate willing to get to win the prize?


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I hope
that everyone on here taking cheap shots at Beauprez for something he didn't do (I'm predicting) will give him props for not doing it as well.

Usually, you shouldn't get props for simply doing the right thing but in this case, it seems very appropriate...

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Moonie writes about the woman for weeks
then says BWB should get props for not producing her?  Will you condemn BWB for what you have been doing for weeks?
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Ugghhhh
You're killing me.  Are you serious?  Shouldn't you be surfing for porn and pre-written term papers?  Homecoming is right around the corner too...

[ Parent ]
Monnie's rant
sounds a lot like he might be Foley.
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Point is...
the rumor is out there now.

If Beauprez's camp didn't float this balloon, who did and why? 

Maybe a rogue staffer?

I'm not giving props to Beauprez unless he comes out forcefully against this and denounces it unambiguously.

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Worse yet,
If a 527 comes out with it now - it'll reek yet again with coordination. 
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Comes out against what?
A  press conference that someone made up?  This "balloon" has been floated for months.  Blame the Denver Post - they were the first ones to mention it. 
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My bet would be
that this is nothing but a Holtzman camp fifth column derision.
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Agreed
Indeed, Moonraker, if this is all just rumor and buzz, then perhaps some retraction may be in order as to motive.  I do, however, have to agree that your tune HAS changed an octave or so.  Only a few short weeks ago your constant refrain was along the lines that the widow and family were left without even so much as an apology.  Now, suddenly, if she even exists to be found, she is a Holtzman prop?  Maybe some retractons are in order from you about rumor and buzz, afterall, it would be simply doing the right thing.
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I stand by
my prior postings.  I believe the facts surrounding the accident are as I stated them to be, and I intended to shine a light on the matter at hand.  It is entirely appropriate to do so.

My point above is that you all create an event out of thin air (or allow yourselves to be tricked) then proceed to take cheap shots at your opponent for it.

Meanwhile, it isn't hard to imagine a scenario where the widow would want to speak out against Bill Ritter.  Someone mentioned she would be paid... why would she have to be?  Did anyone accuse Cindy Sheehan of being paid to act pissed about her son?

What if the facts surrounding the accident are contrary to how Ritter describes them?  If this were proven to be the case, isn't that newsworthy?

These are all hypotheticals.  I still don't think the Beauprez campaign, or anyone else, is planning to do this.  I don't even think it's possible if they wanted to.  I guess we'll find out if I am that much smarter than the rest of you tomorrow when the press conference comes and goes...

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or if you have that much more inside info
(and please note that this is my first post on this thread)

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
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Not sure what you mean.
I don't have any inside info.  But I stop to think about things before I instantaneously react to anything and everything.
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thinking
wouldnt we all be better citizens if we just stopped to think sometimes? bill ritter does not stop to think, he is too busy plea bargaining ravenous terrorists. beauprez does think, because he is a truly smart man.

john marshall does so much thinking he rarely even gets to figuring out campaign strategy (what a trivial thing to think about)! lets all just think more. of course such massive amounts of thinking will only lead flawless bob beauprez to a triple-digit victory!!!

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Not politics - just trash
I hear what you're saying but IMO this isn't political.  Ritter was involved in an accident. From the accounts I've read no charges were filed.  In my experience the parents of the woman who died in bus accident didn't file charges.

I'm willing to bet Ritter was scared sh**less during this episode and it made an impact on his life.  He was a missionary and his wife was a Peace Corps volunteer, for gawd sake - this isn't/should be a rumor/story/issue. 

Whoever brought this about is playing gutter politics and is slime in my eyes.

(and BTW, I don't think Cindy is using character acting methods when showing grief about her dead son)

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Cheap Shots?
You blasted on to this blog with accusations that Ritter Killed a guy. On its face that sounds like he went out and intentionally killed a man. You have been repudiated many time including the denver post interview where he described it as an accidnet. Many posters have come on here and shown you multiple times that it was an accident yet you continually attempt to make political hay out if it by framing it the way you do.

Appropriateness is bringing up an issue, discussing it, then moving on to other issues. Which is what is going on here. There are rumors that BWB is flying in the widow of the man that was the victim of the accident involving Ritter and that he is going to showcase her on the steps of the capital. In the opinions of many posters here that is unacceptable, and will most likely lead to BWB having an even lower approval rating. You can call it cheap shots, but you have done the exact same thing on this blog multiple times.

As I understand it, Cindy Sheehan went to Crawford, Texas, of her own accord and funding. Do you think this widow can afford to fly herself halfway across the world to support a person that she has never met in her life and who is using her for his own political gain? She may want to have words with Ritter, but do you think she wants to really do it in this context? And if you do, what sort of motivation would she have for doing this? So you approve of what Cindy Sheehan did in going to Texas?

When did the case happen again? What sort of revolutionary evidence might this woman have that would be newsworthy? If I remember correctly the accident happened in the mid to late 80s. You honestly believe that memories dont get morphed over such a substantial period of time? Unless this woman has a video of what happened memories just arent that trustworthy.

Your intelligence bowls us over. There was a rumor. Many curiosities were piqued. You didnt believe it. Tomorrow will tell if the rumor comes true. If it doesnt what does that prove? Nothing, quite frankly. It was another rumor and nothing came of it. Move on.

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Newbie is right
Bill Ritter's time in Africa does lift him above the common run of politicians.  That's why he should get this sorted.
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One word
Pathetic
Why is Newbie pathetic?

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At the risk of being mistaken
I believe TW's post was in reference to the original diary, not any particular poster.

"The fact that we Dems can't rebuild the house does not mean you bring back the [Republicans] who burned it down." - DavidThi808
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This I know...
talked with a long-time conservative who seems to be echoeing the sentiments of many people in Colorado.  Along the Front Range, and in El Paso County particular, they see Lamborn, Coffman, and possibly Hillman doing okay.  Schultheis, Lambert, Cloer, Cadman, Looper, Liston, should be okay.

Those in severe trouble, Beauprez, Jones, and Fisk.

Senate to the Dems, and House to the Dems.  Bottom line, the "ESTABLISHMENT" BOYZ got just what they wanted.  A Coors remake ala Gubernatorial Style.

While many of the moderates are trying to beg conservatives to get involved for the sake of the party, many Big "C" conservatives will be skipping important volunteer opportunities.  The 72 Hour may be more of a death watch of a person on life support, rather than a march to victory on November 7th.

Down 17 points and pulling this nonsense is just adding fuel to the fires for the conservatives.  Oddly enough, some in El Paso County seek beauprez's selection of a running mate as similar to adding Betty Beedy to the ticket.  There are those right-wing conservatives who find some of these types of folks hard to digest.

In their cases, its often what they think and say that leads to the weaking of the nation.

Too easy to push back
I can see it now. A teary-eyed Ritter describing the horror of running into a pedestrian and killing him. It is too easy for Ritter to look like the victim in the sense that the mean Republicans are forcing him to relive this horrific memory. And I am sure the Ritter campaign has done focus groups on this issue, knowing that at some time the R's would use it as a last resort.
Don't make him sound like a girl
He's a lot tougher than that. 
[ Parent ]
The folks at To the Right said it best
I would bet that this puts the final bullet into Beauprez. This will piss people off to no degree.

Comment by Prediction — October 4, 2006 @ 4:40 pm
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Can't fault them for lack of clarity.

Pity the folks at Barnyard Bob's Discount Governor Store can't see that well.

Laws not Men

The law is what we live with. Justice is another matter.

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beauprez is happiness
bill ritter has killed people, while bob beauprez has given nothing but peace, love, and happiness to the people of africa and mexico. by never going to africa he blessed everyone there, and by giving jobs to mexicans he certainly made them happy. vote beauprez...for the enjoyment of ALL!
He Has A Point . . .
The logisitics around getting the woman out here are pretty intense, and it is fairly unsubstantiated at this point.

On the other hand, mabe they really have been laboring behind the scenes to make this happen.  Maybe it was the 'big announcement' that Beauprez scheduled and then basically welched on.

Everybody else has a point that it would be in good taste for Beauprez to come down hard on the conference if it turns out to be a real thing and not connected to his campaign.


The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

ahhh Moonshill
I will miss your rants after the election.  Promise you'll still come visit?
visit?
i will be too busy reaping the rewards of my flawless campaign strategy! you can swing by and say hello at the governor's office as long as you admit how silly it was to ever think a moderate democrat killer could ever get elected in this great state of colorado!!!
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way to go bloggeres
All this fuss over a news conference that will not even discuss this topic.
Both Ways Bob got cold feet
Even totheright.org, a conservative news outlet mind you, says it looks like Bob got a case of cold feet.  They apparently confirmed that some group will be dragging this African widow into the spotlight soon.  It just looks like Bob will let a third-party do the dirty work for him just like the infamous "Cold Case Files" incident.  Honestly... I think he got wind that even the Republicans thought this would be an overwhelmingly bad move and backed out.
[ Parent ]
So you're saying...
that Beauprez was going to do this, and then changed his mind and decided to have a third party do it?  That's about the clearest description of coordination that I've seen.

"... politics has been divided between two types of people: those who want more people to vote, and those who want fewer people to vote."
- Sen. Kerry
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That's what it looks like...
...to me.  All I know is what I read off totheright.org but it seems consistent with what he did with the "Cold Case Files" thing.  He promised it, didn't deliver it, and then all the sudden Trailhead comes out with it.  Can anyone else say illegal coordination with a 527?  I haven't kept track... what's the status of that investigation?
[ Parent ]
hmmm........
  "Some group will be dragging the African widow" to town. Hmmmm......I wonder what "group" would do such a thing???
  I'm thinking of a nine-letter word that begins with a "T" and ends with a "D."
[ Parent ]
BWB Strikes again
Another blatant Both Ways Bob moment.

Bob, oh Bob, how you never seize to amaze us with your double edged sword.  You want to bash Ritter's personal history, but you can't find the words, so you let a 527 do it for you.

Hey Alan, you better not screw this one up. If you get caught with your pants down again, you may be serving some time behind bars.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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Shocked! Shocked I tell you!!
You guys had a point about the "cold case files."  BB actually put a press release out saying on a certain day they would have news on old Ritter cases.  Although he eventually came through with those, it was about 10 days later.

On the other hand, the Beauprez campaign never said or had anything to do with what is or isn't going on at the capitol today.  You and the Holtzman-initiated website made it out of thin air.

hey Moonshill...
ya got some proof to back up that claim?  Here's some news for ya... a lot of politicos are running from your campaign and candidate - not just former Holtz staffers.  Me among them.
[ Parent ]
I'm sure
you, like 90% of the bloggers on this site, are a disenfranchised, longtime Republican who feels the party has left you behind.  I'm not denying that it happens, but it is amazing that every one of you has found your way to this site!

If you guys (Dems) don't have a 2-1 majority in each state house, it will be the underachievement of the century.  After all, every Independent and Republican are voting 'D' this year.

[ Parent ]
no,
"the party" has never let me down. just the idiots who try to rule it, and sometimes our republican politicians and candidates.  but as a whole, "the party" is doing the best it can under difficult conditions.
[ Parent ]
Actually
Actually Moonraker, there's no need for you to be worried. Its just Beauprez we're not voting for, we love our State House and Senate candidates.
[ Parent ]
even paranoids have enemies
  Moon, so now we Bolsheviks who have seized and occupied ColoradoPols.com are operating in kahoots with Marc Holtzman's right-wing blog? 
  I now know why Both Ways is 17% behind.  Ritter has assembled a grand coalition ranging from the far left to the far right. Perhaps he's even having secret meetings with the Little Fella who's going to deliver half of the Republican voters to the Democratic ticket.
  BTW, with regard to press conferences which were, or which were not, scheduled to happen.  One of these times, Both Ways may actually have some newsworthy announcement to make and none of the media will show up. 
  Think about the candidate who cried wolf........
[ Parent ]
you are
the one crying wolf. bill ritter will never get any of the far right... only spineless, helpless RINOs who have been easily fooled by his tricky tactics.

bob is not (nor ever has been) behind in this race. it is simply the bias of coloradopols, and while i have tried to show you the light you just seem completely oblivious. colorado is a red state and has shown in the past she will not STAND for moderate democrat candidates.

[ Parent ]
hey Moonshill...
you mean like the Salazars? I'm not gonna argue their real life moderate dems, but they certainly campaigned like mods.  guess what... they both won (in case you hadn't heard).  another moderate dem: campbell.  he won too. 

are you really an idiot or just oblivious?

[ Parent ]
and let's not forget Dick Lamm or Roy Romer.....
or those two hard leftists, Gary Hart and Tim Wirth.....
[ Parent ]
Ace & Gary
You two (Shill & Idiot) are cute.  Glad to see someone taking the high road here.  Wouldn't want to have a two-way debate on this site. 

You two must be the brains behind the Democratic takeover.


[ Parent ]
OMG
Someone's got a serious case of denial going on here.  :)
[ Parent ]
im no idiot
and i am not in denial because the all-knowing, infinitely wise republicans will soon hold the governorship thanks to a brilliant campaign!

i wouldve been disappointed if you hadnt tried to use the salazar's as a case in point. you see, they are really just republicans we have hired to infiltrate the democratic party and it is working magnificently well.

beauprez's angelic campaign manager actually came up with the idea when he was in high school as a way to rid the state and world of true democrats. the dems will slowly move from extremists to moderates and then we will OVERTAKE them and the world and state will be a glorious place.

[ Parent ]
ahhh...
Very Funny.  Thank you, Moonshill, for the thread.  Moonraker - you've been officially re-named. 
[ Parent ]
Um...
The word delusional comes to mind.  Up until a few weeks ago, I was a registered Republican.  But please, let's keep in the realm of reality here.
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No press conference
Even though Moonraker and I have clashed over the governor's campaign, especially last Saturday, I have to agree that someone somehow should track down the source of the alleged press conference.  According to the calendar on the state capitol website last night, the Colorado Republican Party scheduled a press conference for 9:30 a.m. on the west steps but it did not indicate the subject matter.  Apparently, that press conference was canceled or rescheduled but what it was suppose to be about is anybody's guess at the moment.
[ Parent ]
Oh well.
It's really no big deal.

If I know the Beauprez campaign, they would have accidentally trotted out the Nigerian Oil Minister instead.

Best to kill them early instead of letting them possibly need food stamps.
--marilou, 2010

check out the thread re: Faux News' polling numbers as a result of Hastert and Foley
  The numbers are extraordinary.  I realize that the source is suspect and somewhat biased (despite its claim to being "Fair and Balanced"). 
  They're saying that fallout from the Foley and Hastert scandals (plural), and the GOP House members' failure to remove Hastert as Speaker, could be the difference between simply 20 seats lost and 50 seats lost.
  It's gonna be good.......are ya ready for dis????
Thats interesting
Because over the past couple of days Fox News has done everything short photoshopping a picture of Bill Clinton and Mark Foley playing golf together to show that Foley is a democrat. On OReilly's show on three seperate occasions the Header said Rep. Mark Foley (D-FL). He consistently called him a Democrat. What makes the Foley thing even better is that he has holed himself up in a Scientology Rehab clinic (Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Xenu!).

[ Parent ]
What's that smell....?
...could it be...

***FEAR*** ??

Hard to believe from the heroes of 9-11.
The protectors of America.
The guardians of Moral Purity.

(falls off chair laughing hysterically)

Laws not Men

Just a Thought...
Wonder just how much money was contributed by David Ankeney to the various Republican candidates.  David Ankeney, is a long-time friend of Senator Andy McElhany and a precinct committee person in El Paso County.

David Ankeney is the father of Randy Ankeney.  Maybe Randy gave money to Republican candidates.  Doubt it, but then again stranger things have been known to happen.

Maybe Beauprez got some of those monies.  Now wouldn't that be funny if Randy Ankeney or David Ankeney had made finaicial contributions to the Beauprez Campaign?

If so, that would counter anything anybody could possibly create in their wildest imaginations.

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