Wiens Heading Toward Run for U.S. Senate?

I hope for his sake

that his fundraising is better than his spelling.

The Tom Wiens "Exploritory" Committee?

Someone needs to hire some editors or something. Sounds like he's one of the Dead Guvs from Pols or something! :)

"If someone just sticks to shutting the fuck up, can they still go outside and play a game of hide and go fuck yourself?" -- Fidel's Dirt Nap

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by: Raphael @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:53:15 PM UTC

If you look on the SOS page

It has already been corrected.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:54:06 PM UTC

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all good things must come to an end I suppose. n/t

"If someone just sticks to shutting the fuck up, can they still go outside and play a game of hide and go fuck yourself?" -- Fidel's Dirt Nap

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by: Raphael @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:01:56 PM UTC

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Don't forget Tidwel

and Buck is not the favorite. Just because he raised more funds doesn't mean he has the charisma or support like Ryan Frazier.

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by: A-bob @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:53:57 PM UTC

Yes, Ryan Frazier has huge support

Which is how he ended up raising jack shit in the most important fundraising quarter of his life. You like Frazier, we get it, but the facts are the facts. If he had the support you claim, he wouldn't have been outraised 3-to-1 by a guy (Buck) who isn't all that well known himself.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:56:02 PM UTC

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But don't forget Tidwell...

N/T

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by: Leonard Smalls @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:58:39 PM UTC

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One more bad quarter from Frazier

And he's done. He's completely unknown to most people, and there will be no air to breathe if he can't show a real capacity to raise money. We've said it since day one - this is way too big of a leap for someone to make when their only elected office is city council.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 22:58:42 PM UTC

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Are you replying to yourself?

N/T

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by: Leonard Smalls @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:00:29 PM UTC

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Yes

And the conversation is enlightening

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by: Colorado Pols @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:01:04 PM UTC

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We all talk to ourselves from time to time...

My question is: who does Wiens harm more with his entry? Does he take away support in metro Denver from Frazier or does he hit up the GOP establishment and rural crowd going to Buck?

After looking at his old state senate website, I'm inclined to think his cowboy shtick (he seems to love his hat almost as much as Salazar - http://tomwiens.com/contents.p... ) is more likely to appeal to the Buck crowd but I might be wrong.

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by: Leonard Smalls @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:15:36 PM UTC

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Your question isn't exactly right

Wiens more harms whoever is benefiting from the "We Want a Winner" crowd. But you're right, he's not the hot-shot new face of the GOP like Frazier and would probably draw from the same likely voters as Buck.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 02:10:35 AM UTC

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This is the most important quarter of his life?

Most voters don't give a crap about funds raised year(s) earlier in a quarter, only political junkies. What, is Bennet going to run on a record against Frazier saying "he's raised more money?"

Giuliani and Clinton started as the one's with all the money flowing in, and look at it now.

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by: A-bob @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 00:17:36 AM UTC

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Sigh

A-bob, this is such a tired argument. Of COURSE voters don't care about money raised this early, but important supporters and big-time donors DO care. Frazier has not impressed those folks, and that's the campaign before the campaign. If you lose the campaign before the campaign, you never get to the point where you even start talking to voters. Frazier may be charismatic, blah, blah, blah, but NONE OF THAT MATTERS if he can't raise the money to get his ass on TV and show that to the average primary voters (who are not the same people who vote in silly straw polls).

Big donors give money to candidates who look like winners, and the first quarter is always the most important for an unknown candidate like Frazier. People looked at that quarter to see if he was the real deal or not. He failed. There's no spinning that.

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by: Colorado Pols @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 01:33:05 AM UTC

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I heard Buck claim a little over a month ago that he had already visited every county.

Anyone know if that's accurate?

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by: The realist @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 02:53:38 AM UTC

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Yes

He did a tour earlier this year before he officially announced his run back in April.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 03:10:44 AM UTC

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Both

Assuming he actually files - and assuming he's stays in past a quarter - he pulls from both.  

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by: It's Me @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:23:26 PM UTC

starting late

If he can bring in the money, he could quickly become the strongest candidate.  He's starting a little late though -- Bennet's warchest is pretty big...

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by: Nomadic Politico @ Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 23:44:41 PM UTC

Frazier

Ryan Frazier is working it - way too early to count him out - he'll hit his stride on this next quarter - mark my words

I don't think Bennet knows how to campaign for nothing.... that said, my inside source tells me that some major 527 money (MAJOR) is heading out to help Bennet, and it ain't coming from Gill/Bridges/Stryker/Polis either....

Lastly - don't count BB out on this one, is what my other 'inside' sources are saying...

should be a fun race - GO GOP!!!!!

TABOR4LIFE

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by: Muhammad Ali Hasan @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 08:43:59 AM UTC

Your inside sources

have a mastery of the obvious but get lost in the details. Polis and Bridges haven't been part of that group for some time, though Republican parents still scare their children by whispering their names as the lights go out. And Beauprez got the message earlier this year when he floated his trial balloon -- no one's interested.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 13:07:26 PM UTC

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again

don't be so quick to count out BB

TABOR4LIFE

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by: Muhammad Ali Hasan @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 16:04:26 PM UTC

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I would only be elated

if Beauprez threw his hat into the ring. I can't read his mind, but by all accounts he is quite happy in his retirement and could read the tea leaves when there was absolutely no clamor for him to jump in the race. But if he wants to run in a year when Penry will be loudly bashing the tired, old congressional Republicans, he's a more foolhardy candidate than I thought.

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 16:34:04 PM UTC

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Translation

Muhammad's Inside Source tells him that Phil Anschutz is going to spend truckloads of 527 money to support Bennet and McInnis in the same year.  

Brilliant!  

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by: Ram2010 @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 14:24:41 PM UTC

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Gonna be hard....

....getting a Dem and a Republican to win statewide, in the same year, at the top of the tickets?

Good luck to whomever wants to take that challenge on, especially in the campaign-finance-527 era of today.....

TABOR4LIFE

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by: Muhammad Ali Hasan @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 16:05:22 PM UTC

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Muhammad's Inside Sources

are also telling him to sip cat blood and channel Michael Jackson every Thursday.  Those voices in the head can give a lot of conflicting advice.  I'd lay off the Cheetos and eat more salads to calm down these voices you are hearing dude.

Maybe the Repubs can import Sarah Palin and really get a bunch of mixed up metaphors for their donor dollars.  

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by: Gilpin Guy @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 18:48:42 PM UTC

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I'd like to propose a bet Ali

If Bob Beauprez enters ANY political race, then I will donate $20 to the candidate of your choice.

If he doesn't, you have to donate $20 to the candidate of my choice.

Deal?

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by: redstateblues @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 19:26:51 PM UTC

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Does that include

a Twilight Race for Moffat County Coroner or something similar? Because Beauprez could do that -- don't count him out!

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by: RedGreen @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 19:32:11 PM UTC

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I would take that....

.....but I can't

I'm pretty sure, nonetheless, a $20 contribution from me to Michael Bennet will get me disowned for at least 2 months from the State GOP

TABOR4LIFE

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by: Muhammad Ali Hasan @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 22:26:56 PM UTC

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Like Michael Bennet needs my money

No, I was thinking more like a state house race.

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by: redstateblues @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 23:19:27 PM UTC

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All of a sudden I'm hearing from a lot more people

that Ali is right on this won...

Does that leave you to supporting Bob or Frazier....or Cleve???

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by: A-bob @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 23:54:53 PM UTC

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one, won

same diff, especially if he "won" this "one"

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by: A-bob @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 23:55:27 PM UTC

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Thank you for that...

don't count Frazier out, even though I'm not going for him shocker.

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by: A-bob @ Thu Jul 30, 2009 at 20:42:38 PM UTC

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