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Another day, another delay……
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/16/us/politics/health-care-vote-john-mccain.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
Is repealing the A.C.A. an idea which has come and gone?
and then there is this………
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/17/dont-compare-trump-to-nixon-its-unfair-to-nixon-215384
It's likely that Donald Trump himself was the eighth person in the room at the Russian meeting. Follow the logic: Secret Service agents were there, and "screened" some people. Donald, Jr. was not under Secret Service protection at that time. So why would the Secret Service have been protecting the attendees at that meeting? Only if Trump, Sr. was there.
Palmer Report is often right about these things.
Trolls, let me take you again down your talking point journey for the last 6 months:
1. There is no Russia story. Dems lost, get over it.
2. OK, there's a Russia story, but it's insignificant compared to Clinton scandals of yesteryear.
3. There's a Russia story, but it was just opposition research like every campaign does. Jane Sanders' loans are a far worse problem.
4. There were meetings with Russians, but so what? Collusion isn't a big deal. Also Benghazi emails Sanders loans Dems have acceptance issues.
5. There were Russian meetings with Trump officials, and they may have colluded, but show me the statutes that were violated or this is proof that nothing criminal happened. It may be under investigation by a special prosecutor bringing together evidence from four separate investigations, but I want to see results NOW to admit any wrongdoing.
The trolls are speechless – so far. Seems whenever the spokespeople say anything, they make it worse (to wit: Jay Seculow).
Snowflake. Come out of your safe space. It's OK. You can pretend you are a big girl.
The First Amendment protects Republicans, too.
Per the Republican partisan, Alan Dershowitz:
Saturday on Fox News Channel’s “Justice,” Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz defended President Donald Trump’s son, Donald Trump Jr., for meeting with Russian attorney Natalia Veselnitskaya to do opposition research.
According to Dershowitz, there is nothing wrong with a candidate getting information on his opponent from any type of source.
“If it were to be prosecuted, the First Amendment would trump. A candidate has the right to get information from whatever source the information comes,” he argued.
Dershowitz also pointed out, “If the material was obtained unlawfully, you prosecute, if you can, the people who obtain the material. But there is a First Amendment right of a candidate to use information. You can’t include information under the campaign finance law. That would be unconstitutional.”
It may be time to accept reality. You lost. Your candidate sucked.
Gerbils, you might have missed this post from DaftPunk. I highly recommend it for you. Then you might consider taking some time to reflect on just why you do what you do.
I had not read that; she's pretty brutal about it, but it gives me hope to read it. Sounds like she and Scarborough are on the same highway headed away from the GOP.
The wake up calls from wiser voices in the Republican Party are becoming a steady drum beat for those willing to listen – across the entire political spectrum.
Fate is a pendulum, forever swinging to and fro.
This has nothing to do with the First Amendment or criminal behavior. This situation goes way beyond either of those issues.
The question remains, yet unanswered, did one of the Trumps or people working for his campaign collude with a foreign power, Russia in this instance, in an attempt to influence the outcome of the 2016 election? If they did, it doesn't matter whether their behavior violated our criminal statutes and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with the exercise of free speech, but it does put our country at risk of being led by people who have something to hide and therefore could be unduly influenced by a foreign power because that power could blackmail them through threats to expose their activities and thereby extract policy decisions that undermine our country.
Cornholio, according to you, conservatives are the only ones who do have free speech. You have only your talking points and your ability to repeat them on rote. Sometimes repeating yourself because you THINK you're so smart. Not a small, impotent little troll that thinks it's okay to collude with a foreign, hostile power if he thinks it'll help their side win. In your heart, you are not an American.
Btw, ready to tell your sad ACA story?
suck it up, buttercup…..
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/16/politics/trump-poll-abc-wapo-approval/index.html
To put this into perspective, Two Scoops got 46% of the vote on election day eight and half months ago. He's lost 22% of that.
To understand how stupid this "it's not illegal" and "First Amendment" spin is, try changing just a few facts:
The email Jr. "loved" stated "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump." What if the email said "Syria" or "Iran" or "North Korea" or "Islamic State" rather than Russia? Would that be a problem?
What if there was a consensus among the intelligence community at the time that Syria, Iran, North Korea or ISIS was actively hacking computer systems looking for information to use to influence the election? Now, are you concerned?
I don't care if it is a crime. I don't care if Jr. (and the Trump campaign) have first amendment rights to receive stolen information. What I care about is that the Trump campaign cared more about winning an election even if it meant cooperating with (and becoming beholden to) a hostile state.
“[Russia is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight for every cause for the world’s worst actors.” – Mitt Romney, 2012
And then of course, continuing to lie about it, pretending this is no more serious than a parking ticket
Is calling Dershowitz a "Republican partisan" supposed to enhance his credibility?
Also, he is defending a situation that is not what occurred. Information from a foreign source can of course be used by a campaign. What a campaign cannot do is accept anything of value from a foreign source.
Oh CarnHolio, you sad, pathetic, desperate little amoral scumbag troll. Paw widdle snowfwake!
Alan Dershowitz (snicker) on foXXX nOOZE (guffaw)? THAT'S the "source" of your worthless “defense” and faux self-righteous “indignation”?
I snort derisively in your general direction, wondering for the ten-thousandth time how you could be so utterly stupid and clueless, even after all these previous years of utter stupidity and clueless-ness.
You're hopeless, Charlie Brownshirt. Simply HOPELESS. And evil.
Sure, AC. I'll show you mine when you show me yours. You really do get more vicious when cornered, don't you?
Interesting that you continue to quote Dershowitz out of context. His interview on Fox was that using "words" (hacked DNC info) obtained from Russia was covered by the 1st Amendment. Other legal experts have disagreed, and said that those words used were a quid pro quo in exchange for sanctions relief. This has yet to be proven, though. Dershowitz is by no means the definitive word on the subject, although of course he is the only one featured on Fox News, or by you in your posts.
Politico actually interviewed 13 lawyers, including Dershowitz, on the topic of "collusion". Of the 13, most weighed in on likely avenues of legal accountability, including conspiracy to commit cybercrimes, violation of campaign finance laws, which prohibit foreign sources from providing something of value to a U.S. election campaign (the "something of value" being information hackers stole from the HRC campaign and DNC).
Of the 13 interviewed, only Dershowitz seemed to state unequivocally that nothing criminal had occured at the meeting at Trump Tower last June.
Here's what John Dean, Nixon's lawyer, said on the topic:
It doesn't matter if it was a prosecutable crime. It doesn't have to meet that standard to be considered a "high crime and misdemeanor". Don't take my word for it, read it yourself and note the source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/449401/trump-jr-emails-high-crimes-misdemeanors
Well, now we finally know what the market value of Gerbils' services are:
Have we made it? Are we
greatwhite again?Trump Opens Borders for 15,000 Workers
Hooray for Colorado!
The law was passed in 2009, and is just now being beta tested. Not sure why Gessler needed so much time, but at least Williams probably deserves an attaboy for finally getting it out the door.
I am confused. How does this improve on the random ballot auditing done by canvassing boards every year?
Seems as though this is a faster, cheaper, scalable technique that will be made freely available to all states. But not being personally acquainted with the current process, I made the presumption that if the lege thought it was a problem in 2009 warranting a law, this would be an improvement over the current process.
Thanks for the link, Davie. My professional geek wife will love this.
Was it Gerbils or Moldy that used this defense of Little Donny and the Crime Makers attempt to gather dirt on Clinton?
Because of the long downtime this morning, apparently caused by an attack of Shillstink from Carnholio, the Trumpstink report was delayed this morning. But rest assured, Trump Stinks!
Stay upwind, America.
Just relying on "Trump stinks" won't help the Dems in the mid-terms next year. Saw just now on Yahoo News some commentary from Rep. Joe Crowley, #4 Dem in the House. Admits that the Dems don't yet have a consistent national message. Apparently they're being distracted by far left groups that want impeachment as the main priority for the Dems.
To his credit, Bernie Sanders is focused on health care rather than impeachment, and going about the country talking about it. Makes sense; health care is a tangible issue while impeachment is little more than a crazy "wet dream fantasy" for the far left, at least as of now.
CHB, you'll be happy to know that Dems aren't relying solely on "Trump stinks" to gain in next year's elections.
I was privileged to be a part of Morgan Carroll's "Listening Tour" in Morgan County last Saturday. She is the Colorado Democratic party chair. She's going all over the state on this mission, and she says that all over the country, Dem officials are embarking on similar listening tours to forge and refine the Democratic message.
For most of us, health care is the issue that resonates the most. Our little towns depend on hospitals and nursing homes which will be devastated by Medicare and Medicaid cuts. Other critical issues are education, water, and jobs (not necessarily in that order).
It seems to me that if we (meaning all dems) can craft a message stressing these priorities, distill it down to a one-pager with bullet points, attach some freaking POLICY PROPOSALS to them, and come up with some catchy little slogans and personal anecdotes / stories, we have a good chance of making some headway next year.
forgive typos, either the website or my computer is being stupid.
But Trump does stink. He stinks to high heaven. Let the word go out to free men everywhere. Trump stinks.
But if you want to go downwind of him, chb, be my guest. But take a gas mask.
Because Trump stinks.
Breaking on MSNBC 2 R Sens say they will not vote to proceed. Watch out for the flash flood of me toos to follow … Moran KS and Lee from UT
Yay!!!!
Woo hoo! Thanks, S cat.
So now that McConnell will have to consider cootie contamination from opening negotiations with Democrats, I'd humbly suggest our opening bid is full single-payer, and the bottomline is no less than a public option.
Free market principles long touted by Republicans should assure them that the private insurers will not be threatened by a Medicare buy-in, right? (FYI, seems as though they are doing just fine in that market — private Medicare Advantage plans I've been reviewing are plentiful and very cost-effective.)
Actually, Two Scoops has his own idea before resorting to collaborating (colluding? if I can use that word) with the Democrats.
The GOP needs to repeal but don't replace.
Not on the Western Slope, Davie. There's only one, and only a handful of docs will accept it.
Ha! The Great Republican Health Care Bill really never made it to the road. Republicans only ever thought they were getting somewhere because they kept singing "the wheels on the bus go round and round" at the top of their lungs until they believed it. And, of course, everyone has their own facts these days…
That brings the number to "4": stick a fork in it (for now).
McConnell's statement:
Lee and Moran are no friends to us, but I'm not proud, I'll take it.