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February 24, 2017 11:00 PM UTC

Weekend Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

“I would rather be politically dead than hypocritically immortalized.”

–Davy Crockett

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24 thoughts on “Weekend Open Thread

  1. My wife was just a little kid when the Watts Riots happened. We were talking about them back in the summer of '91, and she said she wished she had been able to observe and understand them as an adult. Then the Rodney King incident occurred. I've always felt the same about Watergate. I was only 7 or 8 when that was going on. It looks like I may get my chance to observe something similar now. 

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politics/fbi-refused-white-house-request-to-knock-down-recennt-trump-russia-stories/index.html

    1. was in La La Land for the RK incident and all its aftermath. It really did show how things look when the massive powers of the state align to work for the status quo and against any kind of enlightenment and how the common threads of civil society are weakened by that.

    1. True, as far as that goes. But the face of the chairman doesn't make much  nevermind. Who's paying the bills? That makes a huge difference.

      The DNC  voted to roll back the Obama ban on accepting lobbyist contributions. Guess who's really happy about that? Breitbart and Russia Today. ( I won't cite them here, but you can look it up).   Guess who's not covering that at all? Any mainstream news organization.

      Large donors, including corporate PACS contribute 54% of the DNC's budget. 60 registered  lobbyists are DNC superdelegates. Lobbyists for Monsanto, Wall St firms, etc, made up about 15% of the DNC delegate total in 2016.

      Guess who wouldn't say if he wanted to keep Obama's ban on lobbyist contributions? The new chair, Tom Perez.

      Guess who didn't learn a damn thing from the Sanders candidacy and millions of people in the streets protesting, without the leadership of the Democratic party?

      The Democratic party. Sigh.

      1. I feel you there, mama. I was hoping to see the Mesa Co. Dems step a little farther out from under their corporatist, bi-partisan rock and start to shake things up…

        Judging from the recent election of new officers, that didn't happen. I just don't think the Democratic party is going to be the solution to our problem. They could easily embrace the people of this country but they can't shake their allegiance and dependence on corporate America to fatten their campaigns.

        I may change my affiliation…after 45 yrs. as a registered Dem., I don't see the Democratic Party deserving my support.

      2. Perez has potential. Glad Ellison took a spot.

        But if all the back stories about big donor pressure:

        Some Jewish Democrats have criticized Ellison for comments he made in 2010 in which he criticized the U.S.-Israel relationship by saying that “a region of 350 million all turns on a country of 7 million.” On Dec. 2 Mega Donor Haim Saban labeled the remark anti-Semitic and Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt called it “deeply disturbing and disqualifying.”

        and, more importantly, the continuing inability of Establishment Dems to embrace change and/or their consultants' complete failure to read the base:

        A skittish party establishment reflexively clutches ever harder at what control it thinks it still has rather than embrace new energy at a time when it has little left to lose. Since I've been involved, "savvy," centrist Democrats have perpetually second guessed themselves, asking, "But if we fight for [fill in your progressive policy here], what will the Republicans do (to hurt us) at election time?" As if Republicans would leave them alone if they don't stick their necks out. As if they would run out of lies to deploy and hit Democrats over the head with facts instead. 

        No guts is not a good look for a party asking to lead the last superpower. People aren't going to vote for the abused spouse party. Democrats need to be showing voters, including millions taking to the streets, that they have the courage of their convictions and will fight for them. Let Republicans worry about themselves. 

        aren't dispelled by true positive action at the national level, then we'll just repeat this for the 1000th time: 

        At issue now is whether party leaders who squandered the opportunity Obama's army of volunteers represented are the ones to fill in the hole they helped dig. A Republican operative quoted in "Crashing the Gate" said, "I don't get it. When a consultant on the Republican side loses, we take them out and shoot them. You guys — keep hiring them." Killing off OFA, Micha Sifry wrote at New Republic, was "a sin of imagination, one that helped decimate the Democratic Party at the state and local level and turn over every branch of the federal government to the far right." Is it time to turn the page?

        Or we'll ignore it and continue making our little blog ad money and selling our ever-failed consulting strategy. 

        1. Provide links, V. I saw nothing today from NYT or Washington Post. I don’t consider Huffpo to be “mainstream”, but that was the link I provided. (Obviously, you didn’t click it, as you usually don’t before you start throwing insults around). I saw plenty of coverage from extreme right and extreme left bloggers.

          And whether or not mainstream outlets are covering the lobbyist / corporate donor issue (resolution 33, sponsored by Pelosi’s daughter), that underlying issue remains. Barack Obama understood that, to win, the DNC and Democratic party writ large had to empower small donors (as he and Bernie Sanders did in their campaigns), and lessen the power of large corporate donors.

          Unfortunately, that does not seem to be a lesson the DNC has taken to heart – at least, not so far. We'll have to see what happens and if Ellison has any influence at all as deputy chair.

          Don’t feel like wrestling with html, so here’s some coverage of Christine Pelosi’s resolution 33. https://www.courthousenews.com/dnc-members-clash-over-corporate-funding/

          1. Can't link from the fire.  But when you make up shit about howthe poor old far left is being oppressed by the fascist mainstream media, maybe you have a responsibility to do some research.  It was in the Washiington post online and I expect to see it in my nyt sunday.  But don't let reality interfere with your fake news cry fest.  Are you sure you're not on trump's side?  You sure share his contempt for truth.

            1. You are so full of shit. I should know better than to respond to any gaslighting nonsense you write. Go ahead, keep on looking for mainstream coverage, dated today, of the DNC's vote on Resolution 33. Good luck with that. 

              1. Pants on fire!  Next you will probably explain why the mainstream media ignored the Bowling Green massacre.

                Today’s Washington Post story by David Weigel reports the Pelosi resolution. Google it, and stop doing your smellyanne imitation.

                1. Yes, I found two sentences on Pelosi's resolution….wayyyyy down at the bottom of the WaPo article, buried at the end. So you can gloat, you abusive asshole, you were RIIGHT!…. That'll make up for losing a friend, even a virtual one.

                  The point, as I wrote earlier, is not really who covered or didn't cover the DNC downvoting of the lobbyist and PAC contribution ban. It's the DNC's reaffirmation that the voices of ordinary Democrats just don't matter as much as those of moneyed special interests. That may lose the Dems some "friends", too.

                  You're now in my special collection of people whose posts I ignore…PP, AC, and Mods. Hope you enjoy the company.

                  1. Actually, four paragraphs on Pelosi resolution, but math is apparently not your strong suit.  This controversy was actually fought out months ago and got repeated coverage.  All that happened in Atlanta was that an attempt to restore the ban was defeated.  It got more coverage in the earlier WAPO story before the chair voting.  Obviously, the story was updated when Perez won and the earliier stuff reduced to background.  That's how news works.

                    1. John, goggle it and you will find this story was covered for months.  Pelosi resolution was an attempt to reverse earlier decision.

    1. Discussion on Joy Reid's show (fill in for Joy: Jonathan Capehart)

      Interesting, but still no discussion of the decision to keep the corporate PAC  contributions for the DNC, and still keeping lobbyists as superdelegates. (67 supers were lobbyists in 2016, according to ABC) 

      So lots of discussion of Tom Perez as first Latino DNC Chair, and how he’ll represent worker interests as former Labor Sec, and diversity of 9 officers of DNC, supporting state parties, all of which is good and necessary.

      Some discussion of how to "bring in" the Bernie folks and street protesters, some discussion on Congressional tactics, i.e., should Dems now be “the party of No”. No discussion at all on how to lessen the impact of corporate money on Democratic politics.

      Anticipating and answering objections that Dems shouldn’t be too purist and need more money to organize, I remind you that, under Obama’s administration, and with the help of the Obama coalition, John Dean and Donna Brazille chaired the DNC with a ban on corporate contributions in place.
      Debbie Wasserman Schultz, among her many questionable decisions, rescinded the ban in the summer of 2016. Dems in 2017 decided to double down on Schultz’ bad decision.

      It remains to be seen whether the “Bernie people”, many of whom are marching in the streets, will be recruited into mainstream Democratic politics again. Many are young, but not stupid, and there are plenty of seasoned political elders amongst them. We’ll watch, not what Dems say, but what Dems do.

       

  2. Bernie supporters get the shaft again from Clinton/Obama on DNC chair. Stolen from Keith Ellison just like the Supreme Court vacancy was stolen from Democrats. You people should think about resisting and protesting.

  3. Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to work we go…  Sean Spicer builds one of the world's BEST places to work!

    Sean Spicer targets own staff in leak crackdown

    The push includes random phone checks overseen by White House lawyers.

    Spicer also warned the group of more problems if news of the phone checks and the meeting about leaks was leaked to the media. It’s not the first time that warnings about leaks have promptly leaked. The State Department’s legal office issued a four-page memo warning of the dangers of leaks, and that memo was immediately posted by The Washington Post.

    But with mounting tension inside the West Wing over stories portraying an administration lurching between crises and simmering in dysfunction, aides are increasingly frustrated by the pressure-cooker environment and worried about their futures there.

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