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Colorado Pols' Senate Odds

by: Colorado Pols

Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 10:45:37 AM MST


We've updated The Big Line to reflect the Senate appointments. Our logic is after the jump, but everything revolves around one major point: Who is the best running mate for Ritter in 2010? He needs a strong top of the ticket to help him get re-elected, and that will play large in any decision.

Colorado Pols :: Colorado Pols' Senate Odds
Ed Perlmutter (3-1)
Perlmutter tops our list for a couple of reasons:

1. He has a huge warchest already that he can transfer right over to a Senate account. Having a money lead like that makes a big difference.

2. He has been the most aggressive in pursuit of the post, and he's a good insider politician.

3. He has the best connections with business, labor AND Washington D.C., and he's a proven campaigner.

4. Democrats would have to defend his seat if he left, but CD-7 is a lot safer than it was, and there really aren't any strong Republican contenders. This isn't CD-3, where a lot of well-known Republicans would jump in a fight for an open seat.


John Hickenlooper (5-1)

1. Ritter was always angry at Hick for screwing around for months when he was thinking about running for Governor. Hick's indecision cost Ritter significantly in fundraising, and it would have made a difference had Ritter had a tougher opponent. Plus, it also made Ritter look second-tier. Ritter may say he is no longer angry at Hick, but certainly it's still in the back of his mind.

2. Hick is always too coy, which makes it look like he's indifferent. We hear that Hick really wants the seat, but he needs to act like it.

3. Hickenlooper's top political advisor is David Kenney, who is also going to be running Ritter's re-election campaign. That's a HUGE conflict of interest, which is a point that has not been brought up before.


Andrew Romanoff (5-1)

1. Romanoff is a talented and likable politician, but he isn't Perlmutter or Hickenlooper, who are both known quantities on a larger scale.

2. Romanoff does have the benefit of being the only candidate whose selection doesn't cause a domino effect, and that's perhaps his biggest selling point.


John Salazar (7-1)

1. Losing Salazar in CD-3 would be problematic for Ritter's re-election efforts. Democrats would have a tough time holding this seat without Salazar, but it's basically a safe seat if he remains.

2. Salazar could really make a strong play for the appointment, but does he want to give up his seat on Appropriations to do so? How hard is he willing to campaign for it?

3. Salazar has the best combination of a strong warchest and solid name recognition.


The Also-Rans

Diana DeGette
She probably can't win statewide, but more than that, she has no chits to call in for the appointment. For years DeGette has done very little to help other Democrats in Colorado, focusing her political efforts on Washington D.C. What that means is that nobody owes DeGette locally, and nobody will be pushing hard for her to get the appointment.

Cary Kennedy
She'd be a great pick...in four years. Kennedy just doesn't have the name recognition to be a strong enough candidate for the U.S. Senate in two years. You can't make the argument that she would be a better candidate in 2010 than Perlmutter or Hickenlooper, and fundamentally, that's what matters.

Federico Pena
We just don't see Pena seriously campaigning for it.

Tom Strickland
He's run for Senate twice in the last decade, and lost both times. There's nothing more that needs to be said. The wild card is that Strickland was a huge help to Ritter when he ran for governor, so there could be some payback.

Bernie Buescher, Alice Madden, Joan Fitz-Gerald, etc., etc.
Same issue: None are a better choice than either Perlmutter or Hickenlooper. The decision won't get this far.

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Who in Our Top Four Will Get the Nod?
Ed Perlmutter
John Hickenlooper
Andrew Romanoff
John Salazar

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None of the above.
.
But you failed to mention the clincher for John Salazar:
knowing that almost half the voters won't notice that it's John, not Ken.
.  

Which is why
Silver Salazar ought to have at least some odds, even if they're long.

[ Parent ]
OK, so who will get it?
Not who SHOULD get the nod, in your opinion, but who WILL. As always at Colorado Pols, we're more interested in what is likely to happen than in what we might want to happen.

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Did Too
I did vote for the one who will get the tap on the shoulder.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


[ Parent ]
So you are sure the next Senator will have a penis attached to it?
Pam, you dare dis a well qualified sister and the Queen of the Latina caucus... Polly Baca?

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You talk funny. n/t


"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

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Do you know
whom you are addressing, Libertad?

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Hahaha...
I was wondering when that would come up...  :)

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when that would come up
So to speak ...

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I don't get it....


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Good, thought I was the only one. n/t


"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

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GLBT
Let's just say Pam proudly represents the "T" in the "GLBT."

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Ah...I'm smelling what you're stepping in


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Thank You
Thank you for helping explain the situation. I guess there are a few people who did not follow the 2007 elections. I am sure next year will be exciting during my campaign because of that.
All of this was hot news about 2 years ago.  So it is old news now.

An expansion:

I prefer to be known as the candidate who represents the families, the women, the men and the businesses of Aurora.  I want to bring more jobs to Aurora so our working families have better lives.  


In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


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I don't think Ken Salazar's appointment
happened in a vacuum.  I think John Salazar chose the Appropriations slot over being Ag. Secretary and his brother's replacement.  A very well placed source told me it's the mayor, but I don't know.  If I had to bet, I would bet on Perlmutter (has at least some staff and could kind of "hit the ground running," which Congress actually will do this year) and Romanoff (no vacant seat to fill with a special election).

This would create a huge Hispanic problem


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Oh forget about it, Libertad
There is no Hispanic problem here.  They now have a cabinet member and a congressman on the most powerful congressional committee. Not too shabby

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Aww, look at the cute little concern troll
http://www.urbandictionary.com...

Such a itty bitty thing. Adorable!

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  


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Ask a latino what they think
I am just being honest.



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My partner,
who is latino, prefers Perlmutter.

He doesn't want John Salazar to give up the 3rd CD and feels, as I do, that the 7th will be easier to defend.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  


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The 7th would be easier to defend
The 3rd would be a probable pick up

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Dems have a bench...
in the 3rd (Buffy McFayden for instance, and I hear that Bernie Buescher is looking for a gig), but there is no question that our bench in the 7th is quite a bit deeper.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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Sorry friend
I didn't mean to come across as saying that Dems didn't have a bench.

I think that a special election situation in CD-3 would benefit Republicans because of the numbers game.  Obama may have carried CD-3 (by a narrow vote margin) but without a top of the ticket draw for Democrats I think they would have a tougher time overcoming the Republican tilt of the district.

Random question, but any word as to who won CD-4 between Obama and McCain?


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I think...
I read that McCain carried the 4th by 4 or 5 points.  

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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not to mention.....
...the Shrub carried the 3d in '04 but John Salazar won with ticket splits.  The right Dem could win that CD even without a strong performance by the top of the tikcet.

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Buffie, no way.
Among other things she is pregnant and that would complicate an intense winter campaign a huge district.

There are only two realistic candidates in the 3rd, Buescher and Thiebaut.

I believe that either district can be held by the right Dem candidate.


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I wasn't aware....
she has a little bundle of joy on the way.

Keep in mind though, that didn't stop Sarah Palin from lugging her pregnant daughter all over the country.

Pregnancy my complicate things, but it shouldn't preclude it.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  


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Middleton
Karen Middleton campaigned for HD 42 virtually right up delivery time.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


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HD 42
is not 2/3s of the state geographically.

This is the entire Western slope, the San Luis Valley and Pueblo county.  It has only one Interstate highway and that through only 3 counties.  This is a bear of a district, difficult to campaign in and doubly so in the winter.

campaigning in an urban district in which you can walk most of the precincts and certainly drive to any point in the district with in 10 or 15 minutes is a lot different than driving from Pueblo to Durango, to Grand Junction to Craig.

This is difficult for any politician but is doubly so for a person who is pregnant.


[ Parent ]
Between those 2 for the 3rd
it would have to be Thiebaut if the Dems want to hold the seat. To win the 3rd (especially in a special election) a Dem needs to win Pueblo, and win it huge. Just ask Greg Walcher why John Salazar won in 2004, and it wasn't because he did great in Mesa (he got 37% in Mesa County), it was because of the huge victory in Pueblo (over 60%).  You can't expect Buescher to do much better in Mesa when he faces hometown hero, Penry; but he certainly won't get the huge Pueblo victory.  Obama got 57% in Pueblo.  the huge victory isn't assured for all Dems in Pueblo.
Buescher's strength is that he outperforms normal Dems in Mesa.  But, with Mesa County's Penry running for the GOP, Buescher's strength is lost.  And, let's not forget that Buescher just lost his state house race in Grand Junction after out-spending his opponent 4-1 despite that he was going to become speaker.

If JTS gets the senate nod (which I think unlikely but possible) then there is only 1 realistic candidate for the Dems in CD-3; Thiebaut


[ Parent ]
It's a moot point
John Salazar is staying in the House.

[ Parent ]
You mean a Latino can consider all the pros and cons objectively just like a white guy?
You'll never get Liberturd (oops, I mean Libertad of course) to believe it!

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Hey my #2 is Pena, which causes no fallout for the Dems
I made J. Salazar my #1 because it has been reported that Ken wanted him to step up. Plus, like his brother he is not a fancy pants.

Why should either seat have to be defended 3 or 7? Pena brings so much experience, he is my #2.  


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which could have been averted...
....if Rosemary Rodriguez were appointed Sec. of State.

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P.S. There is absolutely no Hispanic problem for the Dems.....
...if Tancredo is the GOP nominee for guv.

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maybe Rosemary can settle for Denver mayor
...after Mr. Hick Goes to Washington.

I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

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Absolutely agree
The short-listing of John Salazar for Ag, the offer of Appropriations and Ken Salazar winding up the Hispanic in the cabinet, creating an opportunity for another Dem appointment rather than the risk of a loss... it seems all of a piece.  

No way will John Salazar now be moved to the Senate. This way, everybody, including the Hispanic community has plenty to be happy about.  No need to put CD3 at such high risk.

Perlmutter would be a fine choice for 2010 re-election but, besides a certain amount of risk to CD7, isn't a special election pretty expensive? With the state's economy in dire straights, wouldn't it be better to appoint Romanoff or even Hickenlooper, both of whom should make promising incumbents and spare the state the expense of a special congressional election?  

Romanoff would be the cheapest, simplest, most pain free option of them all.  While Perlmutter has plenty of money now, I bet Romanoff could count on plenty of funding muscle for 2010 too.


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Bad news for us...
...if Hick get's the nod, we're screwed.  No one will be able to take him out in 2010 (even Governor Owens) and he'll create a strong down ballot tide. Which means we'll have to get used to saying Governor Ritter for another six years. But is Ritter that smart?

I hope you're right
but I think the Mayor's electoral domination is HIGHLY overrated. I've known him for years and like him a lot. But he's won exactly one competitive race, a multi-candidate primary in which he outspent everyone. He's quirky and a bit odd (sorry, John) and not the world's best retail politician. Have no idea how he'd play on Plains or Mountains. And remember, Denver's barely the biggest city in the state anymore, and it's far from the biggest county.

My guess is Perlmutter would be the safer bet as far as winning in 2010. And John Salazar safest of all (he'd be unbeatable).


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The last numbers I saw...
...had Hick at 73% approval rating among statewide voters. (Crass-tabs were well split.) And that wasn't even a year ago.  

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Boulder Dem
In fact, the only political talent Hick has is at the retail level where he is fabulous. As an executive he's just plain horrible. With that in mind and as a lifelong Denverite I hope he gets the nod so the city can have someone who's interested in what they're doing.

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Disagree
I've seen him work a room, and let's just say he's rather indifferent to it. Involved politicos tend to like him, and loads of people who have only read about him in the paper think he's cool. But put him in a hot Senate race with millions of dollars of attack ads flying back and forth, and I frankly am not confident how he'll do.

[ Parent ]
maybe Pols should put up a contingent mayoral Big Line....just in case


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I agree Perlmutter would be a strong choice
and all four could win statewide.

So if it does end up being Rep. Perlmutter, who would the two parties choose to run for the special election? I'm not that familiar with CD-7, but I think it merits running through some names because everyone who is switching jobs needs to start raising money. The sooner they figure out who is going where, the sooner they can start putting together a team.

After the vacancy is created, when does the special election occur should either Perlmutter or John Salazar be selected?


CD 7
CD 7 has a very good quantity of quality potential candidates.  From Aurora I can think of four who should be considered; from Westminster a couple and from Arvada about four.
The best of those would cause a cascade through the Democratic Party General Assembly members, and other offices, upon winning.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


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Said it yesterday...
and I'll say it again today:  Sue Windels is the best option to replace Ed Perlmutter should a vacancy occur.

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining."  Glenn Beck  

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Betty Boyd?
I think Betty lives in CD7 Lakewood right?

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95% of Westy in CD2 only 5%in CD7
Who are you thinking about in Westy for CD7?
Parts of unincorporated Adams, Commerce City and Brighton may have a couple folks interested in CD7 spot too. Don't forget large chunk of Lakewood in CD7 also.

P.S. just looked up the Adams County Elections site. You did do great (won) in the northern/Adams portion of Aurora. If Frazier can't even win in his own neighborhood in a city council race, he has no chance for CD7. What were the final #'s citywide in your council race in 2007?  


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Where does Ryan Frasier live?
Does he live in CD-7?  I think he would be a strong candidate for congress.  He seems to be well liked by many in Republican circles and wouldn't have a hard time raising money.

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I believe
he lives in the 7th, yes.

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Sweet!
Maybe we have a bench afterall!  :)

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Mitchell or Knoedler or Tauer
...or Mr. Ewegen's favorite dog owner Jonathan Coors!

heck Baeuprez could return!!!!


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would be a strong candidate for congress
Maybe, but where was he in 2008, when Perlmutter was a seemingly vulnerable first-termer?

That's right -- helming the Right to Work initiative.

Frazier might be an attractive candidate (and you really should learn how his name is spelled before touting him), but he would provoke vehement opposition and is also a uniquely polarizing figure. Maybe, given some time, he might emerge as a credible candidate for higher office, but I don't think he's there yet.


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Ok, let's get picky about it
FraZier

Does the opinion matter now?


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CD 7
Ryan lives in CD 7, Adams County portion of Aurora.  CD 7 is not going to vote for the writer of Amend 47.  Working men and women live in CD 7.

I took Adams County last year, and will do it again next year.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


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Are you running for congress?
Sorry, I'm just not making the connection between you taking the Adams county portion last year...or next year

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Aurora City Council At-Large
I am running for Aurora City Council At-Large right now, election Nov.2009.

The importance of Adams County is Frasier did not win it, and that is his home turf.  Adams is a major portion of CD 7 which is home to working men and women. Any Congressional candidate needs Adams to win.

I can say a Congressional seat is probably not available for me within my lifetime. Unless there is a great push by a lot of people to make history in this great state and country of ours.

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


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Thanks
I wasn't sure what you're referencing, from my perch down here in the Springs.  :)

IIRC, CD-7 is largely made up of Aurora, so if he has a strong base there, that could help if he ran for Congress.

As someone else noted, the Mayor could also be a viable candidate for Congress.

Given Adams county leanings, wouldn't be a given that a Republican would most likely lose the county?  Didn't BB lose Adams in 2002?


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CD 7
CD 7 is a loop over Denver, it includes Arapahoe, Adams, Jefferson Counties, the cities of Aurora, Arvada, Lakewood .

It was originally districted for 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.  But, that has changed over the years.  Perlmutters campaign probably has good polling numbers versus registered voters to give an idea of Republican chances.

Considering that Lerew pulled 36.9% (R base + a few indies), that shows considerable I voters going with Perlmutter.


In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


[ Parent ]
what about Broomfield?
...is that in the 2nd?

I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

[ Parent ]
Come on, Pam.
You're like freaking Pravda sometimes:

Adams is a major portion of CD 7 which is home to working men and women.

As opposed to any other district, full of slovenly robber barons?


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Frasier?
   He's a RINO on social issues.  Supports D.P. benefits for same sex partners of Aurora city employees!
  Republicans could do a lot worse than Frasier.  And they probably will.

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Front Range likes Romanoff
Re-posting this from a previous thread.

The Fort Collins Coloradoan editorial today pushes Andrew Romanoff for the US Senate seat.

Romanoff would do fine as secretary of state but much better as a U.S. senator. His energy and dedication to resolving some of Colorado's major issues, including budgetary limitations and constitutional conflicts, is unmatched. In fact, Romanoff is one of few leaders in recent memory who has been so willing to place himself at political risk to enact change, whether it be supporting Referendum C or the recent Amendment 58, which failed.

Romanoff has made his presence known throughout Colorado as a state representative and as an advocate for several ballot issues. He is a solid communicator who works well on both sides of the aisle. Those abilities seem a good match at a time when the Barack Obama administration likely will launch major changes that will need the support of a forward-looking U.S. Senate.



"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

Even Colorado Springs
The Colorado Springs Gazette, while not happy with the inevitability that a Democrat will get the seat, listed off the contenders' names and then elaborated on Romanoff only:

Ritter should give extra special consideration to Romanoff, who's an impassioned, bright, articulate and tireless young politician with a promising future.

The guy lights up a room and speaks Spanish fluently.  I think Pols' description here sold him a bit short.


[ Parent ]
the Gazette has a new publisher
He lives in the real world. Steve Pope, former publisher of the News Medis bunch (Summit Daily, Vail Daily, Leadville Chronic, etc)

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As to Pols' admonition
Who should the choice to be?  Perlmutter.  I think he would be willing work across the aisle -- which you have to do if you want to get anything done in the Senate (compare Salazar to Allard, for instance) -- he's smart, he has a good D.C. staff and I think he could win a statewide election.

Our admonition was who it WOULD be
Not who it SHOULD be. Although, in this case, the answer may be the same.

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Whoops
Same answer, for same reasons.

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Legislative experience
Perlmutter tops this list in terms of legislative experience and savvy.  Perlmutter is well-respected in Washington because he took the time to learn how the institution works and cares deeply about public policy.  He would make an effective Senator.

Hick would hate the job.  He has never served in a legislature and would be frustrated as number one hundred in a body that is premised on a seniority system.

Romanoff would be a strong Senator, as well, as though his urbane image and humor may not play well in the hinterlands.  

John Salazar is a nice guy, but he lacks the gravitas of his brother.  He has found a good niche in the House and should hold onto the 3rd C.D. for the Democrats.

Where are the women candidates?


You mean like DeGette?
She's in Washington.  At a cocktail party.

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Why this obsession with gender?
There aren't strong female candidates listed because there aren't female candidates who are logically stronger than the top four listed here. Joan Fitz-Gerald would have made the list a year ago, but not now (same with Alice Madden). Cary Kennedy and Betsy Markey would make the list a few years from now, but not now. Timing is everything in politics, and the timing isn't right for Colorado's top women candidates right now.

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Barbara O'Brien
Yes, I'm serious. Great background without any controversial stands or votes. Proven fundraiser, albeit with non-profits. No one even dislikes her, best I can tell, let alone would resent her appointment. True she has little name ID, but so does Perlmutter outside his district.

Only downside I can see is she'd be competing with Ritter for cash from the same people.


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Barbara O'Brien
Yeah, no one dislikes her because no one knows her....

Unknown candidates are more easily defined by their opposition.


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Not true
No one in the political world knows her, that's almost true. But she had a very prominent life before being for Lt Gov, running the Colorado Children's Campaign. I'll be a whole lot more average Coloradans outside CD7 know her than know Ed Perlmutter. Politics is not everything.

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Huh?
Politics may not be everything, but in case you forgot, we are discussing a POLITICAL appointment, right?

She hasn't had a visable role at all as Lt. Gov.  I'd disagree with your assertion that "more average Coloradans outside CD-7 know her than know Ed Perlmutter" because he's spoken at the Democrat's national convention and being an active office holder is mentioned a lot more in papers then a Lt. Gov who hasn't done anything of note.


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People know him because he spoke at the convention?
In front of like 2 people and his mother in law? No knock on Ed, but outside the district I can't believe one person in 50 has even heard the name.

You're missing my point re Barbara. It's true she hasn't had a visible role as Lt Gov (who does?). But her professional life before that was very high profile, and loads of people (like me) know her from that role. Name ID is about more than what you've done in politics. Schwarzenegger didn't win because of his political name ID ...


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LOL
"In front of two people and his mother in law"--I have to give credit where credit is due, that was pretty funny.  Well said.

But you have to admit, that's more people then have seen O'Brian speak lately.  :)

I see what you're saying, but and maybe I need to clarify what I am saying.

I am not an accurate judge for how far reaching her name ID is because of her work before becoming Lt. Gov.  But I am inclined to think that the average voter in say Weld county isn't going to hear O'Brian's name and know who she is because of her professional career.  There are executives of major corporations who have low name ID in their own states, so I question how much that actually translates over to the population at large.  The crowds that you and I run in probably aren't accurate representations of the population.

People like to see a constant stream of accomplishments in people running for major office.  One way or another, O'Brian doesn't have a lot of accomplishments being Ritter's Lt. Gov.  She has a two year black hole in her resume.  Her fortunes are tied to him, and he's not looking incredibly strong right now.


[ Parent ]
IIRC Joe Rogers was pretty visible.


History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.  (Mark Twain)

[ Parent ]
Why not Alice Madden? n/t


"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
TWO Boulder lib'ruls?
Snark aside, I doubt Coloradans want two Senators who live 10 miles from one another.  

[ Parent ]
Two Boulder lib'ruls
The choice is Brad Udall.  Mark's brother.  Knows H2O issues.

Wadhams has made 'Boulder liberals' shoe-ins in statewide elections now!


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Mrs. Hickenlooper
No intention of starting a rumor, just asking a question -

I have heard that Mrs. Hickenlooper keeps the Mayor on short reigns as far a political aspirations go. Has anyone heard similar and if so are family concerns a factor in this decision?


Bingo!
The single biggest reason why it will not be Hick.

Retirement in action does not equal retirement of beliefs.

[ Parent ]
Dan Willis talkin' smack about Hicklooper's wife?!
....is this a smart career move?

I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

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Why Not Joan Fitz-Gerald
If I had a vote - both for who would be the best possible Senator and the strongest statewide candidate to be on the ticket with Ritter in 2010,  it would be for Joan Fitz-Gerald.

Why is she not even on your line ?


Yeah!
We Republicans demand that Ritter appoint Fitzgerald!

[ Parent ]
Victim of her own choices...
As someone said earlier, a year+ ago she would have been a great choice.  But she decided to go after Udall's seat, lost, and this is the consequence.  

Objectively, she'd stillbe a great choice...but you don't get to run for another office, lose, and end up with such a huge consolation prize.  Her shot at ending up in DC ended when Polis beat her at the polls...


[ Parent ]
I must have missed that rule
Objectively, she'd stillbe a great choice...but you don't get to run for another office, lose, and end up with such a huge consolation prize.  Her shot at ending up in DC ended when Polis beat her at the polls...

How about the rule ,  fate works in mysterious ways.    

But I agree with you that objectively she'd still be a great choice.

p.s. she already has an amazing fundraising base ready from her CD 2 campaign.


[ Parent ]
Alan...Seriously.
There's no way Ritter will or better yet, should appoint JFG to a freaking U.S. Senate seat.

Please get real.

I'd love it, because we R's would just get the seat back that much sooner.  Hell, I hope he appoints DeGette.

But it ain't happening.


[ Parent ]
My informal, non-scientific impression is
for every Dem pol who likes her there are two who really don't.

[ Parent ]
Are U talking about JFG or Princess Di?


I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

[ Parent ]
JFG
But it wouldn't matter if every Dem in the state loved Di. She'd still have no chance state wide.

[ Parent ]
Two reasons
1. She said she was done with politics
2. She said she was done with politics

[ Parent ]
So?
Joan-ie! Joan-ie!

[ Parent ]
So did Richard Nixon
So do a lot of people.

Once you get a taste of it...

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.


[ Parent ]
Joan Fitz-Gerald
remains the best potential statewide candidate,  the best potential progressive senator and she will let Ritter know she is interested in the position if she hears enough supporters ask her to enter the race.

[ Parent ]
RIght.
She's just sitting on the sidelines like Batman, waiting for the Governor to light up the Joan-light on top of the capital.

[ Parent ]
What does that light look like?
I'm trying to imagine it and I'm scaring myself.

History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.  (Mark Twain)

[ Parent ]
Hickenlooper and Perlmutter vs Joan Fitz-Gerald
Presumably Hickenlooper would be the strongest statewide candidate (as he appeared to be in the polling before the 2006 Governor's race) but for some reason
he seems not interested in running state wide.  

I am sure the polling would show that Perlmutter doesn't have the statewide name recognition that Joan F has,  and his appointment would put CD 7 in play for the Republicans as well.     While I understand why Perlmutter would want the appointment, it doesn't seem to make sense for Ritter politically.

As I said previously,   I think Joan Fitzgerald would be the best legislator and the most progressive Senator of all of the candidates considered.


Let it go. I like Joan and respect her, but
Ritter would not even consider Joan for SOS. That is why she didn't even apply. Why do you think Ritter would consider her for US Senator? Let it go. Will Shafroth for Senator! Doesn't get any more Boulder Liberal then that. Dick Wadhams can get a redu with the "Boulder Liberal" stuff and it would fail again in 2010. Will raised 1.5M for CD2 race and got 20% of the vote. A poll in May had him at 4% and he jumped up to 20%. He ran against Polis with deep pockets and Joan with the insider help. Go iWill.  

[ Parent ]
Why not just go with Mike Miles?
Kidding of course.

[ Parent ]
Poor Mike, he's the eternal punchline
...not that he didn't earn it!

I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

[ Parent ]
LOL @ new ProgressNowAction Senate Poll
I wanted for vote for Ken Gordon 1,000 times, but he wasn't on the list.

Today, you're either going to get better or you're going to get worse, but you're never going to be the same.  Which one will it be?  --Joseph V. Paterno

Write him in!
There's an e-mail going out to Ken's mailing list about now urging exactly that!

[ Parent ]
If it's not Romanoff...
I hope he ends up as SoS.  They guy is just too bright to not end up somewhere...

Stix Nix Hick Pick!!
Out here in the featureless, nondescript places that folks from the Denver/Boulder/Aurora axis refer to as the home of "those people", there's a certain fondness for Romanoff. He's a guy, so the demon repubs think, who is fair-minded, not excessively partisan, approachable, and reasonable-and likeable.  Perlmutter? Who he? Hickenlooper? Nice guy, but sooo Denver!
John Salazar? Riding big brother's coattails.

Interesting
One more reason to go with Romanoff besides not risking a congressional seat or requiring an expensive special election.  And he would work his butt off. I'm sold.

[ Parent ]
"Riding big brother's coattails"?
..silly stix

I'm not as sweet as I used to be.

[ Parent ]
Actually John IS big brother.
Ken is younger.

[ Parent ]
If Congress Person Appointed?
What are the possible time length scenarios if Gov. Ritter appoints a sitting Congress person, such as Rep. Perlmutter, to replace Sen. Salazar?

When will Sen. Salazar need to vacate his seat?  

When would Perlmutter need to vacate his seat to fill the Senate seat?

If Rep. Perlmutter leaves his seat there is the time period when Gov. Ritter must announce the special election.  It must be within 90 days of the vacancy.  But, that date would be based on the question above.

Then the next question is can a sitting General Assembly member run for the vacant Congressional seat while the Legislature is in session? Or, would any legislator wanting to run in the special election be forced to resign the seat they hold?  

Any seats vacated by the legislators would go through the normal vacancy committees of the parties.  

In a democracy, the majority of the citizens is capable of exercising the most cruel oppressions upon the minority. Edmund Burke

10/26/11 Colorado Ex-Pat; S/V Sisu Catalina 30


Timelines
Salazar needs to vacate his seat before assuming the cabinet post. He can do it earlier (as Obama and Biden have).

Perlmutter, for instance, could be sworn in to the next session of Congress and then resign and assume the Senate seat on the same day, if he wanted.

Ritter has -- I believe, but there are experts on here -- to set the date at least 45 days out and no closer than 90 days before the next election, which gives him a lot of leeway.

Sitting state legislators would have to step down (as JFG did) to seek a congressional office because of limits put on fundraising during the session.


[ Parent ]
So J Salazar works out quite neatly


[ Parent ]
The best Senator?
From having read postings from people regarding which Senate Appointee will have the most positive impact on "down-ticket" candidates my question is this:

Who would be the BEST Senator?

Regardless whether party insiders see someone as electable or not in a statewide race today, wouldn't the best legislator benefit the down-ticket candidates more so than the most popular?  The person with the highest positive name id statewide TODAY may not be tomorrow and vice versa.  

I'm a "new kid in town" so be nice!


Sarah Palin.
Ritter just lacks the vision to make such a bold appointment.

[ Parent ]
Welcome
Couple of things.

1) It'll be hard to get people here to talk about the best Senator. They really like the horse-race stuff. I think most people here bet money on this stuff, and some lowlifes even bet quantities of alcohol.

2) What makes someone the best legislator? We just had a big fight over that with respect to Jared Polis. Is having big new ideas enough to make you a good legislator? Or is keeping quiet, building coalitions, and passing your legislation better? And if the latter, will you really be popular enough to get re-elected or get other people elected?

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.


[ Parent ]
Welcome to the site!


[ Parent ]
Because the "best" senator
isn't worth a damn if they can't get elected. The 2 years between now and 2010 aren't enough for anyone to get anything significant accomplished -- regardless of how idealistic they, or you, are. Good legislators are not always the best candidates, and if they don't win then all they get to legislate is which cardboard box they get to crawl inside after they lose.

[ Parent ]
What colorado_dude said.
we have to consider, you know, reality based stuff.

[ Parent ]
Thanks for the response
And thank you for the warm welcome!  

Sxp151 I refuse to believe that the issue is that black and white.  Someone can have new big ideas, and i think most new legislators do which is great.  However, I dont believe you can be so narrowly focused on that one big thing ie Musgrave and gay marriage that you neglect the smaller things.  

There are plenty of things that need to be cleaned up and we can all agree on that regardless of which party you align yourself with.  So i believe its a combination of both.  Having ambitious goals, but also the ability to build a coalition to get things done not solely for your party, but for the betterment of EVERYONE.  I know I live in a world where that isn't reality, but one can hope right?


Not saying you shouldn't be ambitious
just not ostentatious. John McCain for example was very well-known even before he ran for President, not so much for getting anything done (he didn't) but for always saying entertaining things on TV and trashing his party. Was he a good legislator? I don't think so. Lots of people loved him, though, and he had a much easier time getting elected than people with serious records.

Also, a little tip: it'll be much easier to have a conversation with you if you click "Reply" under a comment rather than "Post A Comment" at the bottom of the page. The threading is really important for readability.

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.


[ Parent ]
John Salazar is the strongest candidate
to hold the seat in 2010, but he won't be appointed so it is moot.

Hickenlooper is the 2nd strongest candidate to hold the seat and I think he will be appointed.

I voted for Hick as the one I think will get the appointment but my favorite is Salazar.


Ok then a question
Colorado_Dude:

Who do you believe is the "best legislator" and why?  I'm truly not being a smart ass I am just curious in your cynical reasoning.


Romanoff
Andrew has worked hard in the House to get critical legislation passed.  He has dived right into hot political topics dealing with budgets, TABOR, and the Colorado Constitution, all the while fighting for things Coloradoans care about such as Education and Transportation.  Policy-wise, he is hands down the best candidate.

As everyone here is asking though...will he get noticed by the Governor and can he win statewide in 2010?  The answer to the second part, I think, is yes.  You can go anywhere in the state (Eastern Plains, Front Range, or Western Slope) and people know and really like Andrew.  He is smart, funny, and well-respected.  The first part will be the biggest hurdle.  Will he get overlooked as Ritter deals with other big names, such as Ken, and what they want.


[ Parent ]
Andrew Romanoff
Yeah. That's the funny thing. Of all the names being bandied about, Romanoff has the most experience statewide. He's been visible statewide at a quiet retail level in a way Perlmutter, John Salazar and John Hickenlooper couldn't begin to match.

I think that's why you are seeing an emerging Romanoff sentiment along the Front Range once you get outside of the Denver insider chatter.

John Salazar is clearly off the table. He obviously used his brother's move to leverage the Appropriations spot, so that the DCCC didn't have to suddenly worry about losing CO-03 early in 2009. I'm surprised he's still being discussed as a possibility.

Regardless, because of his role as Speaker, Romanoff is uniquely positioned to have a surprisingly strong statewide profile right out of the gate.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  


[ Parent ]
Fair question Angry Trucker,
(which by the way is a great handle). I suppose the definition of "best legislator" would (obviously) depend on your definition. Ability to move legislation through? Best able to represent the people you represent? At sticking to your principles? Since I don't know how you define the best legislator (or even how I would define it myself!), I took your position just as that the discussion here should focus on qualifications, not electability. That is why I answered so "cynically," trying to address the importance of electability. Give me a working, or at least a more specific, definition of what makes a legislator good, and I'll engage you on that level.

Until then, electability is still the #1 concern.


[ Parent ]
And it doesn't have to be
somebody who sucks but is electable.  There are a lot of options here. I look for the overlap between who is closest to what I want in a legislator AND who is electable.  In this case, I also want to avoid giving the Republicans a good shot at a Dem seat.  

Putting all those things together gives me Romanoff.  As speaker of the state house he has a solid record of legislative experience and experience reaching across the aisle. I think he fits very well with Obama's vision.  I like the pick AND I think he's electable.  


[ Parent ]
Udall
Seems to me Udall wins this one hands down. Not only did he win the election, but he will automatically become the Senior Senator from Colorado. Am I correct?

Maybe. Maybe not.
Depends on the resignation/appointment/swearing in schedule of the Salazar seat.  

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

[ Parent ]
Yeah...
seems pretty unlikely KS will step down and Ritter will appoint someone before the 6th though.  We can't expect a potential Blue Ribbon Commission to act that freakin' fast.  :)

[ Parent ]
Salazar won't resign
until he's been confirmed, so after Udall has been sworn in.

[ Parent ]
Udall
Likely will take Salazar's seat on the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee.  I hope so.  Colorado needs a voice on that important committee.

[ Parent ]
Here is a new name
Mick Ireland. Mayor of Aspen and former 2 term county commissioner of Pitkin. Smart, smart guy.

Secretary of state
nominations are closed, sadly.

[ Parent ]
Mick Ireland?
You just made that up.

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
That can't be a real name
But oh I want it to be...

[ Parent ]
Next up
Hymie Israel and Guido Italy!

"Have a Bobby bar! My dad made them." --Jon Huntsman Jr.

[ Parent ]
I resemble that!
Whitey Englander, Jerry German?

[ Parent ]
Yep, that's his real name.


History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.  (Mark Twain)

[ Parent ]
No way, Jose.
Mick is a real guy who obviously had parents with a sense of humor.

"I wouldn't characterize caloric intake as "professional development." c rork

[ Parent ]
A sick, sick sense of humor....


History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme.  (Mark Twain)

[ Parent ]
Tresi Houpt
2 term commissioner from Garfield. On the Oil and Gas Commission.

And, no, I wasn't kidding about Mick.


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