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You Don't REALLY Believe Global Warming, Do You?

by: Colorado Pols

Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 13:47:46 PM MST

With Doug Bruce gone, the role of resident looney tune in the Republican Party needs to be filled. Rep. Kevin Lundberg seems more than up to the task, given his political history and his press release today essentially claiming that Global Warming is a hoax.

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Colorado Pols :: You Don't REALLY Believe Global Warming, Do You?

Obama's Global Warming Policies Are Not Based on Scientific Evidence
Where are the Facts?
The Republican Study Committee of Colorado (RSCC) challenges President-elect Obama to provide any evidence that the opinions he cited in his first major policy statement on global warming are based in reality.
RSCC chairman, Rep. Kevin Lundberg, said "It sounded more like something a Hollywood speech writer would put together for a movie script, rather than a serious policy statement for a president-elect."
On Tuesday, November 18, President-elect Obama laid out his policy intentions concerning global warming in a speech to a global climate summit,
convened by the governors of California, Florida, Illinois, Kansas and Wisconsin.
His speech was politically correct, but the facts were simply not there. Just about every "proof" he cited was, at best, an outdated myth.
Where are sea levels rising which are shrinking coastlines? Where is there any scientific evidence that hurricane storms are either larger, more
frequent, or related to any long term global warming patterns? A careful analysis of the details reveals that each of these examples are without merit and that there is a significant and growing debate about whether or not anthropogenic global warming has had much effect at all. There are also serious doubts that radically restricting and restructuring industrial activity can meaningfully alter any long term weather patterns.
The RSCC has conducted several hearings on global warming and our nation's energy resources. They have looked at the facts and will not be deceived by such shallow rhetoric.
An example of the serious doubts many scientists have can be found in Christopher Monckton of Brenchley's article published by the American
Physical Society. The facts reported are that globally-averaged land and sea surface absolute temperatures have not risen since 1998, and may have even fallen since
2001(http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/monckton.cfm).
The only fact that is indisputable is the severe stress that cap-and-trade tax schemes, unrealistic renewable energy mandates, and Kyoto-like treaties
will have on our faltering economy. We cannot afford to squander our children's future on outdated notions from global warming alarmists.
We expect more from our nation's next leader and call on him to correct these errors.

Surely your information is more better than the man who is going to be the next President. Surely.

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Surely your information is more better than the man who is going to be the next President

Lundborg probably gets his information from the science and technology section of Jim Welker's newsletter.

by: One Queer Dude @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:14:06 PM UTC

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LUND-BERG-NO-UNDERSTAND

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead". - Thomas Paine

by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:03:43 PM UTC

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Gore Nazis are hard at it

Gore Nazis demonize anyone who points out that science has not proved that humans have anything to do with global warming.

Gosh. It's cold around here.

by: Another skeptic @ Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 00:37:33 AM UTC

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You don't understand how science works at all do you

The science on this is very clear - we humans have been a major cause of global warming. Someone who counters wishful thinking with facts is not a scientist - they are just a reasonable rational human being.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 18:13:52 PM UTC

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What science are you talking about Skeptic ?

Please tell me

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead". - Thomas Paine

by: Fidel's dirt nap @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 23:26:54 PM UTC

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What I really don't get,

besides most of the release, is that Lundberg is known for his personal conservation efforts. His house was green before it was cool.

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

12/15/11 - RIP squeaky duck. You were plush, loved and finally ripped apart after over a year.

by: droll @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:20:45 PM UTC

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What are the odds...

...that it's for personal reasons (saving money on energy costs) rather than contributing to societal benefits (cleaner air, fewer carbon emissions, etc.)?

by: bmenezes @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 23:53:34 PM UTC

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That's what's so odd.

I don't think it had to do with money, as far as I can tell it was conservation. Maybe he sees the threat of running out of energy, just not what reaching that point will do to the earth? Seems like an odd line to draw and get in a fight about.

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

12/15/11 - RIP squeaky duck. You were plush, loved and finally ripped apart after over a year.

by: droll @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 00:44:36 AM UTC

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What seems to occur with a lot of Republicans

is they view dis-believing global warming being a required tenant of faith.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 19:08:37 PM UTC

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tenet (Snark, Snark)

But I like that "Tenant of faith." Sort of Zen like, needs some unpacking.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

by: parsingreality @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 21:33:58 PM UTC

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You'd think they'd try to pass it off as God

turning earth into hell because of queers. Seriously, would you be surprised to hear Dobson come out with that?

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

12/15/11 - RIP squeaky duck. You were plush, loved and finally ripped apart after over a year.

by: droll @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 00:08:11 AM UTC

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In my experience

Energy is too cheap. Most of the green modifications that can be done to a home take many years to pay off, if they ever do. That's why most of these green initiatives are so slow to take hold. Why spend thousands to save hundreds or even tens of dollars. Most people who really embrace conservation do it for the societal benefits.

by: Bob99 @ Mon Nov 24, 2008 at 23:55:41 PM UTC

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Flat Earth Society...

heard from again...

"But when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, 'Oh, shut up!' I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining." Glenn Beck

by: Arvadonian @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:22:40 PM UTC

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IPCC says the RSCC is wrong

Among their conclusions (consensus among hundreds of climate scientists):

"The understanding of anthropogenic warming and cooling influences on climate has improved since the TAR (last report, 5 years ago), leading to very high confidence that the
global average net effect of human activities since 1750 has been one of warming"

More detail than you ever wanted is here:
http://www.ipcc.ch/

by: mr science @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:27:00 PM UTC

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Another example of the fundamental dysfuntion of the Republican Party in Colorado and nationally

Uncomfortable facts are simply dismissed as myths. No one is allowed to breach the ideological cocoon. Ironclad ideology dictates all policy positions. As I said in a post the other day, these people look at a five foot by five foot block of wood and a round hole the diameter of a pin and tell all of us the block of wood is going through the pin hole because ideology dictates it will. The obvious reality and silliness of their position is irrelevant. Ideology governs all situations.

As the 'Lexington' column in the latest edition of the Economist stated:

"There are any number of reasons for the Republican Party's defeat on November 4th. But high on the list is the fact that the party lost the battle for brains."

The article goes on to describe the fact that highly educated people are voting Democrat. The intellectual muscle of this country is abandoning the Republican Party in droves because of people like Rep. Lundberg. Over thirty years ago when I became active in the Colorado Republican Party there were a few fringe people in the party like Lundberg (mostly from the John Birch society) but they were laughed out of the room for their goofy ideas. Today, they control the Republican Party.

The Republican Party is beoming irrelevant to the people of the United States of America. Once it does, it will become extinct and people like Rep. (soon to be Senator) Lundberg will be left out in the dark howling at the moon.

by: Republican 36 @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 21:34:54 PM UTC

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Here's hoping they keep this up and don't stop until the heresy charges against Galileo are reinstated

by: One Queer Dude @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 00:03:57 AM UTC

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We should not wish this on anyone

A desire to return to the superstition and poverty of the middle ages should not be celebrated, even when it comes from our opponents. Every person with these views retards the progress of the human race and aims their children at failure.

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by: DavidThi808 @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 00:17:06 AM UTC

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Man-Bear-Pig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NoBama .... NoBamaCare either

by: Gecko @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:12:38 PM UTC

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That, too.

You mean that you're nominating Lundberg to take up the honorary title of Man-Bear-Pig, I'm guessing.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

by: Phoenix Rising @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:16:27 PM UTC

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What really cracks me up

The Republican Study Committee of Colorado (RSCC) challenges President-elect Obama to provide any evidence that the opinions he cited in his first major policy statement on global warming are based in reality.

The opinions Obama cited are scientific analysis of objective evidence. The GOP position is to reject evidence and scientific method in favor of determinist reasoning that starts with a conclusion (human causality of Climate change is false) and backs into "evidence".

The right acts like lawyers defending a case rather than a scientist seeking truth.

But then Lundberg is a nut.

by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 22:24:24 PM UTC

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Hey, how about a local debate!

Pitting Rep. Lundberg against one of the CU scientists who won the Nobel Prize for their work on climate change! And Rep. Flat Earth would even be allowed to bring notes!

by: bmenezes @ Fri Nov 21, 2008 at 23:50:47 PM UTC

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Go for it Bill!

Seriously, how do we set that up? I would help sell tickets to see any academic debate LundBORG or any other of the "focus on someone else's family" nuts in the Colorado GOP.

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by: Go Blue @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 18:13:40 PM UTC

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But don't you know...

that it's all a big conspiracy on part of Global Warming Inc? Of course they're going to hand out Nobel prizes for this, the greatest hoax ever!

Anti-climate change flat-earthers are impervious to facts.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

by: Aristotle @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 18:48:45 PM UTC

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Lundberg is intellectually dishonest

He cites an article published by the American Physical Society - making it seem as if the APS endorses the writer's view - when in fact the article was just an unsolicited letter to the editor, and the APS actually prefaced it with the following telling statement:

The following article has not undergone any scientific peer review, since that is not normal procedure for American Physical Society newsletters. The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007: "Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."

"We expect more from" our legislators - even a mouth-breather like Lundberg - "and call on him to correct these errors." To quote Lundberg.

But we're not holding our breath.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

by: Half Glass Full @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 00:15:23 AM UTC

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Here's the link

http://www.aps.org/units/fps/n...

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

by: Half Glass Full @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 00:15:57 AM UTC

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Even if

(and I don't think this) global warming is not man-made, what about when we run out of oil?

Why not just go the sustainability route because ITS SUSTAINABLE. This is exactly why Repubs are irrelevant: they are unsustainable in every way, shape, and form.

Their economic policies even without being coupled with their utterly contradictory (and radically ineffective) social policies, are still unsustainable.

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by: sufimarie @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 07:57:19 AM UTC

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IF LundBORG is appointed,

according to Politicker CO he will become a member of the Colorado Senate Finance Committee, Senate Judiciary Committee, and the Senate Local Government Committee.

So, where will he do the most damage?

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by: Go Blue @ Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 19:50:31 PM UTC

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Nowhere

Lundberg is an idiot, but like Doug Bruce, he can't cause any harm while his party is in the minority. Mostly he just becomes a giant time-waster.

by: Colorado Pols @ Tue Nov 25, 2008 at 00:34:42 AM UTC

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the real Kevin Lundberg

Lundberg's house is off the grid entirely because he believes in the apocalypse and doesn't want any utility company to have records on him.

Republican members of the state legislature are black balled by the rest of their caucus if they publicly acknowledge that global warming is an anthropomorphic phenomenon. They are threatened with a primary if they err on official dogma. The official line: it is caused by sun spots.

The luxury of denying global warming (and believing that lower taxes will solve virtually every problem confronting society today) can only be indulged in by a party that has no prospects of enacting its policies. If these guys were in charge, we'd be in a huge world of hurt.

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That's interesting.

I live off the grid because I don't want the Republican government to have any records on me. How ironic.

"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

12/15/11 - RIP squeaky duck. You were plush, loved and finally ripped apart after over a year.

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