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Is Bob Schaffer bad at math?

by: DavidThi808

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 18:40:56 PM MDT


Well the Sweatshop Schaffer story seems to be dying down (I guess the Schaffer campaign's plan of no respone - no story is working).

But before we bid it a final adieu, I wonder if it illustrates one more problem that Bob Schaffer has. He appears to suck at counting.

DavidThi808 :: Is Bob Schaffer bad at math?
In the Denver Post we have the following. As the article was written on 4/10 and there has been no correction, we can assume that Bob Schaffer found no inaccuracies in it:

he [Schaffer] said, noting that he visited more than 20 factories and found serious problems in only one.

Now we go over to schaffer v udall which gives us a copy of Bob Schaffer's testimony at the oversight hearings (note to Ben - Congressmen do not testify under oath):

I [Schaffer] went to Saipan and spent five days. Visited probably eight or nine factories in the time that we were there.

Leaving the specific issue of the Marianas Islands aside, do we want a Senator who votes to fund a program at "more than 20 billion" when he think's it's "8 or 9 billion?" I'm very concerned that with these poor math skills, Bob Schaffer will double our deficit while he thinks he has halved it.

Update: Based on a comment below, I may have been too obtuse in this post. The issue I am trying to raise is how many factories did Bob actually visit. Was it 1?

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Sweatshop Schaffer's testimony
I read Schaffer's testimony that schafferversusudall unironically posted. Schaffer's conclusion: There were some problems that I saw that I won't discuss in detail, but let's leave it up to Benny Fitial to clean it up.

Ben Fitial being -- of course -- being Jack Abramoff's guy on CNMI who Sweatshop Schaffer endorsed and fronted for the Tan family. The same Tan family who owned and operated sweatshops and financial supporters of Bob Schaffer.

Sheesh.

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8...

"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  


Nonetheless
You'll find plenty of Schaffer supporters here. What gives?

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.

[ Parent ]
As someone who is notoriously bad at math...
I don't know how much we can judge the character of someone because of it.

That said, I'm not running for public office. Nor do I think that Rep. Udall is a calculus genius, either.

This math issue doesn't make me dislike Schaffer any more, but I'm sure it may swing 1-2 votes to Udall. Or not.

I knew a stripper named Skyler once.  --TaxCheatGeithner


Dying down? Not really.
I just Googled it, setting it to only show me the last 24 hours...

"Results 1 - 10 of about 563 over the past 24 hours for schaffer marianas. "

That is not the sign of a dormant story.
At this rate, you could read a story every three minutes, and at the end of the day there would be more new ones out there than when you started.


"Dying down"
The biggest reason the story is "dying down" is reporter who did the actual research for the story is on vacation. He'll be back in a week.

We suspect he will not be pleased with the muddled narrative other correspondents have taken up in his absence...


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More Spam
Seriously Pols, is this what you had in mind?

Are you serious?
Ok, I tried to not be the "Master of the Obvious" here but lets shoot to the crux of this. A key part of Bob Schaffer's defense is that he went out there on a fact finding mission.

To be a fact finding mission, he had to go visit factories. That is key to his whole defense. If the factory visits are B.S. then the whole claim of checking things out is total B.S.

Yet his count of how many factories he visited is all over the map. And as far as I know, no one has brought up this inconsistency yet.

The question now becomes, did he actually visit more than one factory? If not, then the whole thing truly was a charade. I think this question is worthy of the front page.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!


[ Parent ]
Dave, stop engaging this tool...
Whoever the hell deering is, s/he is nothing more than an anti-Polis shill.  You are pro-Polis, thus, you are bad...and everything you do/say is wrong.

Your post is fine and I think just about every other member of CoPols is OK with it.

Check deering's comment history and you'll see someone has a bit of an axe to grind...


[ Parent ]
thank you
I am trying to respond to feedback but I need to remember to not put too much weight on a single data point.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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It's a valid point
And I noticed it too. He's been all over the place both with the number of factories he supposedly visited, as well as the number of factories he supposedly found problems at.

Today's Washington Times has a story about the trip where, once again, the details are all a little different.

The whole thing's documented on paper. Why the hell can't Schaffer get his story straight?

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy



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I'm starting to wonder...
...what if he only visited 1 factory. That would blow his whole defense. The wildly varying numbers make me think it was just 1 or 2 factories and he increased the number, including in his statements in Congress, to make it sound legit.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

[ Parent ]
Potemkin Villages
He was there with Lucky Louie Sheldon (According to the Washington Times story). That's the first time I've read that. It's been reported that TVC paid for the trip, but not that Sheldon was there (unless I messed something).

Lou Sheldon and Jack Abramoff are good buds. Very good buds. Going to Saipan with Sheldon might as well have been going with Abramoff personally. It's interesting that Schaffer would have mentioned that.

Maybe Schaffer knows he's going to need Sheldon's money in this election and that was a sort of rescue flair: come to my defense or I'll bring you down with me.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy



[ Parent ]
Denver Post reports Right to Life blasting Schaffer
Right to Life blasts Schaffer

Colorado Right to Life accused Schaffer of closing his eyes to reports from Chinese workers on the islands about forced abortions.

"The pro-life movement will no longer give a pass to candidates like Bob Schaffer who look the other way when Chinese women are forced to abort their children," said Steve Curtis, spokesman for the group and former chairman of the Colorado Republican Party.

"At best Schaffer was negligent investigating coerced abortion in the Mariana Islands," he said. "Worse, he has voted for permanent normal trade relations with China, rewarding the regime that forces women to abort their children."



Here you go, NEWSMAN
Newsie, you said you'd take this seriously when 'pubs and right wingers start to say that BS's Marianas trip is a problem. Some of us said that forced abortions alone ensured that they would.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

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This isn't dying down Dave
This is just getting started. Sweatshop Schaffer has a LOT of explaining to do, regardless of how many times the Independence Institute Lackey Ben DeGrow calls the media Nazi's

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

[ Parent ]
Schaffer's reply; Wadhams' reply
Which one is dumber?
"In five days, I did not observe a forced abortion or meet anybody who had any knowledge of them," he (Schaffer) said, adding that no subsequent examples were ever brought to him.

Or:
Dick Wadhams, Schaffer's campaign manager, said Schaffer enjoys considerable support from the mainstream of the anti-abortion movement - which, Wadhams said, Colorado Right to Life is not.

"These are people who are on the fringe of the pro-life movement, and they do not represent by any stretch of the imagination the hundreds of thousands of pro-life Coloradans," Wadhams said.



"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid." - Nietzsche  

[ Parent ]
Denial
is his biggest problem:

According to Colorado Right to Life officials, Shiu Yon Zhou, a member of the group, was forced to undergo a forced abortion in China and later sought refuge in the U.S., where she eventually became a citizen.

She said Schaffer should "apologize for being part of the problem. He calls himself pro-life, but how can he be when he is not outraged by Chinese forced abortion?" she said.

To think such human rights violations should serve as "model," for our immigration reform, should make every voter, regardless of ideology, think twice about voting for this guy

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole


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