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My lunch with Betsy

by: DavidThi808

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 16:14:01 PM MDT


Ok, I do tend to err on the optimistic side - but I was right on Jim Webb and Jon Tester. I think Betsy is going to win CD-4, and win by 3 points or more. She's WOW.

I had lunch with Betsy today and the biggest impression I got from her is she's nice. Yes she's professional, knowledgeable, competent, and thoughtful. Yes she has strong well thought out policy positions. But more than all of that, she's a very nice person.

Nice is a killer advantage for a candidate, especially a legislative one. And compared to Marilyn Musgrave, The Evil One, it is a gigantic difference. This gives her a couple of points easy. It also will make it a lot harder for MM to smear her as people will find any garbage very difficult to believe.

DavidThi808 :: My lunch with Betsy

Ok, so what kind of Rep do we get with Betsy? She's a small business owner and that background has a big impact. It starts with a search for solutions and agreement, because you can't be successful in business without both. It also gives her a lot of confidence and credibility because she has, year after year, kept the money rolling in and the employees paid.

With Betsy we get a Rep that understands the small business world from the inside, as well as the high tech industry. Keep in mind that virtually all job growth in this country comes from small businesses and you realize how very valuable this is to have in Congress.

Her hot button is bringing sanity to the federal budget. And she had a lot of spot-on observations of the impact of the deficit spending and how to address it. So she would be a strong contributor on this issue.

With that said, she suffers from the common Democratic error of diving in to the core problem and how to resolve it and that doesn't sell that well. If instead she can concentrate on the impact the irresponsible Republican spending has on people, lost jobs, destroyed pensions, high unemployment, inflation outracing salaries - then this becomes a very powerful issue for her. She touched on these items too but she needs to make the impact the issue - people will trust her to know how to fix it.

I prompted her on Iraq and health-care. Very sensible answers on both. On Iraq it's bring them home a brigade at a time because there is no end game in sight. It's hard to argue with and her point of there being no end in sight should sell well in her district.

On health-care I heard one of the best answers to date - that we need to have full coverage with larger risk pools. As to what/how/when, work with others in Congress to find the best way to do it be it single payer, mandated coverage, etc. But we do need to find a solution that gets everyone covered and brings our spending down to levels found in the rest of the industrialized world. This is that business background in action - see the key parts, and for the rest figure out what meets those requirements best.

Granted, CD-4 has been heartbreaking for us Dems. We've lost time after time by close numbers. And to rub salt in the wound, we've lost to one of the most corrupt, bigoted, and ineffective members of Congress. But what is key is that each year we get closer. Each year the district is a bit more liberal. And we have a very strong candidate this year.

So your job? 1) Anyone you know in her district - make sure they are registered. 2) This is the competitive race in Colorado (Sweatshop Schaffer is toast). So everyone needs to click here and donate today. I don't care if it's just $25.00 - show Betsy some love today.

Update: I did not do a good job above of describing what I think we will get with Betsy. One of the most critical jobs in Congress, that is almost invisible to most, is the money people. No money, no programs. Alexander Hamilton, John Rockefeller, Warren Buffet, all of them were/are creatures of the spreadsheet (Hamilton used Quill 123).

Betsy will end up on appropriations, not to deliver earmarks for her contributors (as MM would use it) but as one of the people that figures out how to make the federal budget work. This may be invisible to most, but it is one of the most critical jobs in Congress. And it is essential that it be held by competent honest representatives, like Betsy.

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My lunch with Betsy | 21 comments
if nice is what it takes....
...then is that why Will is going to surprise Joan in CD-2?  Of all the people I've talked to in person about the CD-2 race, a list that runs from political insiders to average joes who follow politics, I have yet to hear one person say anything positive about Joan in the personality department.  On the other hand, Will actually makes people like him.

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


Its one of the reasons I support Will
JFG was effective in the state leg because her very sharp elbows allowed her to get things done.

That won't be the case as a junior house member in DC.


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and
You think Will will be able to do anything besides tow the party line?

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3 things
I think Will will lead on environmental issues where he has real expertise

I think his personality is suited to legislating

I think he has the endurance to stay long enough to get something done.


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Right
I am sure, people with his personalality get eaten alive as freshmen.  

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No one gets anything accomplished as a freshman
Unless someone likes them.

Hubris usually doesn't pay dividends.  You earn the right to be an asshole.


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I agree
I thought of that when writing the above - but I like to keep the "my lunch with..." on just the candidate I met.

But yes, that is an advantage for Will.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!


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David
I like you better when you are sober.

Nice?  That's all it takes?

I guess every Republican is an a**hole?

Go ahead, donate, volunteer, blah blah blah.  The 4th is NOT in play.

Nice try though, I hope you paid for lunch.


LOL
Great style, Ben:-)

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.

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Nice?
Is Jim Webb "nice"? This may well be the killer criterion for the 4th CD, but I seriously wonder how far it's going to get her, or how many bills it's going to get passed, in Congress. Being "nice" takes energy and can become an end to itself. What's needed is EFFECTIVE--a trait sadly missing from many, if not most, politicians sent to Washington from Colorado, who seem to slide into the back benches--and stay there. Betsy is the candidate we've go, so good luck to her and I agree, let's take this seat away from the Republicans.  But I would hope she has a better pitch than being "nice."

Thanks, David
David...Betsy and I both wanted to express our thanks that you took the time for lunch today.  We've followed your posts and comments here on Pols for awhile and both respect the balanced view you take on candidates and issues...which made this post all the more gratifying.

As to those taking issue with Betsy being nice...

Betsy IS nice...she has also run and operated two successful businesses, raised three wonderful children, spent almost a decade in the State Department literally writing computer security policy while traveling to Cold War countries, raised countless dollars for the Larimer County Foodbank and run the Larimer County Democratic Party.  

You CAN actually be both nice and effective - ask the folks who worked with her in the State Department who will talk to you about her walking into embassies in both East and West Berlin, at a time when it was no where near safe to go to such places, doing her job with exceptional fortitude.  Ask the Larimer County Foodbank - where she helped raise over a million dollars to expand the food bank facility.  Ask the folks she has worked with at the not one but two businesses she started and helped to flourish.

Betsy IS nice...and what that has translated into is an ability to work with all kinds of people to accomplish a larger goal.  It has meant that when we get an angry e-mail or an intense question into the campaign, she picks up the phone and talks to the person, actually listens to what they have to say, and almost always comes away with another supporter because she treats everyone, no matter what their political affiliation, with respect.  It means that I have never, not once, seen her hesitate to walk into a room of people that may not be with her politically - because she knows she can find some way to relate to almost anyone.  It is a rare candidate that can look past politics and see people...and Betsy does it every single time.    

I guess what I am saying is that there are a lot of politicians out there who are smart and effective...and don't have one shred of common decency about them.   I think that, in large part, is why this country is in the mess it is in.  Maybe also why voters out there (and some Pols readers) have gotten so jaded with the process that they scoff at the idea of a candidate being nice.  And I think that is an awfully sad statement on our current national mindset.  Because Betsy is out there to make the case that we can be smart and effective and tough...and we can win...and it does not have to come at the cost of the basic lessons in human dignity and respect that we were taught in kindergarten.

Successful doesn't have to be sacrificed to nice.  But maybe extremism, and character assasination, and "my way or the highway", and the politics of taking one part of this country and ruthlessly pitting it against another part COULD be sacrificed to nice.

It's just a thought...and maybe I'm wrong.  But on a completely personal note, I will tell you that I work for a woman who made sure every single one of her employees on the campaign has good healthcare...who anxiously waits to see her son every afternoon after school when he comes by the campaign to tell her about his day...who even as I am writing this is stopping by my house to drop off an air matress because my parents are flying in for the weekend and I mentioned offhand that I didn't have enough beds for them.

And I will tell you that of all the candidates who I have ever worked for...Betsy is the one I respect the most.

They say that if you want to know how effective someone is going to be on the big stuff...you should pay attention to how they deal with the small things.  Nice doesn't have to be an end into itself...In Betsy's case it can be a pretty great beginning.

Thanks again, David.

Anne Caprara
Manager, Betsy Markey for Congress  


Very well said
I think nice is a very under-rated skill that provides quite an advantage.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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I think I'm going to puke!


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Dream on David and Anne...
Betsy ain't gonna make it, but she is the dem's last hurrah.

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A little sensitive, are we..
..about being described as "nice"? A feeble word if ever there was one, but if it's the best you can come up with, well, good luck and have a nice day. I daresay Nice Betsy lives in a "cute" house with a "darling" family, and, and, and... why, it's the Happy Hollisters on the Campaign Trail, sleeping on air mattresses no less, boldly going into embassies in East Berlin--under sniper fire, no doubt, despite the fact that E. Germany was a police state! Jimmy Stewart goes to Washington from the 4th CD--after a sex change operation and 60-odd years after the movie came out, but that's nice too!

How about a few 'Smores on a Bar-B-Que in the Rotunda after voting for more trillion$$$ to bomb Iraq for a few more years? Or a glass of nice warm milk and some nice Oreos to make you feel good after passing a resolution to send fathers and mothers working in the Swift meat packing plant straight back to Mexico while their kids are in school! Or was it to extend tax cuts for those nice hedge fund managers taking home $3 billion -- that's billion with a B -- in one year (now, that's NICE), while we are piling on unimaginable burdens to later generations in the form of federal debt. Yes, being nice will surely change all that.

How about getting everyone to wear a nice smiley face button instead of those US flag lapel pins? : ) That sounds nice! And how about declaring May 1st Howdy Doody Day, when everyone dresses up as Pollyanna (boys too!) and says Howdy Doody and gives a great big smile to a stranger. That would be nice! :) :) : )

Ah, yes, let's not forget the Foodbank! How nice! Let's collect some nice cans of nice soup for the nice people who can't afford to buy their food, who can't get a job that affords them the DIGNITY of BUYING their own food. Of course, waging meaningful class warfare isn't nice! It wouldn't be nice to tax income of over $1 million a year at 95%! But not to worry. Stride with confidence and a smile into a room where Dick Cheney is chatting up his fellow duck hunters from Halliburton and say something nice. "Have some cookies! I made them myself!"

The lessons we were taught in kindergarten? Or course! That's how to overcome a kleptocracy that is ruining the environment, waging unending war in Iraq, allowing children to DIE of STARVATION! Remember, if you're not nice you can't join our garden club, errr, the House of Representatives.

I don't think nice is underrated at all. I think it's way, way overrated, and even if it's not nice to say so, this sort of claptrap reeks of naivete that practically defies imagination.

Have a nice night and sweet dreams.


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Here, here
Honestly, there are few pols I have dealt with over the years who I wouldn't describe as "nice." And they are some of our best and most effective pols. Romer, Schroeder, Hickenlooper, Udall, Perlmutter, Romanoff, Groff, Carroll(s), Skaggs, Hart, Obama, etc.

An incomplete list to be sure, but all people with whom I have had at least an extended conversation and whom I would describe as unabashedly, unflinchingly nice.

Strength doesn't equate to lack of niceness. Strength comes from keeping your friends close and your enemies closer.

Non impediti ratione cogitationis.

BTW, I "adduced" this all by myself, you total fucking assclown.
-Laughing Boy



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Matsunaka was nice
The Dems best chance was Stan Matsunaka the first time he challenged MM for the open seat.  He was fresh off the Senate floor with a strong finish as Senate President.  He is an extremely nice and approachable guy.  He lost. Then, he lost again.  

Moral of the story:  Nice doesn't cut it. MM represents the majority of her constituents well and she may even be re-seated in a Republican majority house.  (As voter anger will be well directed at Democrats this fall for the high cost of gas at the pumps).


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half right/half wrong
your first paragraph is right. your second is preposterous.  the R's have F'd themselves for years to come.  or at least until Obama's midterm backlash, but even then they won't retake the House.  Anyway, the amount of ammo the D's have on W about gas prices would fill Pols post slots for weeks.

In fact, I just registered
www.veryliberalagitatedpissedoffpeoplewithnoorganization.com
-Laughing Boy


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Stan ran when it was a good time to be a Repub
In '06 and this year it's much better to be a Dem, and the seat is a bit more even between Repub & Dem.

There's a good chance this year. And in fact, there was a good chance in '06 but AP did a horrible job both letting MM control the message and with terrible paid media.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!


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Nice vs the Anti-Nice
(I'm reposting this bit about Marilyn Musgrave which appeared on my own blog yesterday. But y'all probably didn't see it, so it's new to you!)

The common perception about Marilyn Musgrave's intellect is that she's not the sharpest disc on the manure spreader.  (That's meant to be an ag joke, but if you prefer to see it as political commentary, fine by me.)

Even so, I was flabbergasted by THIS ARTICLE in the online Greeley Tribune, telling about Marilyn explaining the so-called stimulus check procedure to residents at a local retirement community.

MM said she was concerned about seniors who live off of Social Security...LIKE HER MOTHER.

0.o

I don't know the details of Marilyn's personal finances, of course, but I'm pretty sure there are no poor Republicans holding congressional seats.  Which means there are two possibilities here.

One, Marilyn was cluelessly trying to bond with her audience by saying they were in the same financial straits as her poor dear old aged mother living month to month on her meager SS checks...even though it was a little fib and her mom has plenty of other assets.

OR....

Marilyn's mom lives on or near the poverty line while her daughter jets back and forth from DC and lives the high life like all the other Bushistas.

I wonder which it is?  

Take heart! http://codeneonblue.net


Beyond the nice...
Everything I've heard from Markey is ridiculously vague, is that the strategy? I'm down with whatever gets rid of Musgrave, but a few more specifics on some issues would be...nice?

From all I can find anywhere, her position on most everything seems to be "We need to find the best solution." Is that it?

Voting against Musgrave is easy given you're not totally evil but I'd have no idea what I'd be voting for here.


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