Tuesday Open Thread

"Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times."

–Gustave Flaubert

26 Community Comments, Facebook Comments

  1. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    These are the folks circulating the initiative to allow communities to decide whether they will allow fracking. Hick hates it. So does the Oil and Gas industry. So it’s truly a bipartisan effort.




    Local Empowerment

    Empowers cities and counties to set their own standards providing Coloradans with regional flexibility in regard to fracking and other highly industrial forms of Oil and Gas Development.

    Legal Defense

    Protects communities from Oil and Gas Industry & state sponsored
    lawsuits that seek to strip citizens of their right to protect their families
    and property.


    People First

    Ensures that the interests of millions of Coloradans are represented, over Big Oil and Gas.

    • Robb says:

      This explains why I've heard so many ads from the drill-shill front group "Coloradans For Responsible Energy Development" on the radio lately. Shameless "Did you know fracking is actually awesome?!?" sort of stuff. 

  2. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    Many are upset at the welfare and other payments to the poor. Corporate welfare however is met with a deafening silence:

    State and local governments have awarded at least $110 billion in taxpayer subsidies to business, with 3 of every 4 dollars going to fewer than 1,000 big corporations, the most thorough analysis to date of corporate welfare revealed today.

    Boeing’s $13.2 billion is a bit more than its pretax profits for the last two years. It is also equals a stunning 70 percent of the $18.2 billion of equity owned by Boeing shareholders.

    • Andrew Carnegie says:

      I think the state and local tax and business poaching from other states is the unfortunate downside of a federal system.  Is it crazy?  Absolutely.  Any ideas to improve it?


      • ZappateroZappatero says:

        So it seems our largest and most profitable corps don't hesitate to TAKE from taxpayers, who have almost no say in these sweetheart deals. 

        First I'd remind ppl that the CEOs and CFOs and owners of these Corporate Takers are always saying the poor and unemployed shouldn't get any govt help, but should instead "buck up" and work just a little harder and retrain themselves for some other job they may or may not get (that is if the "Job Creators" create it. 

        As for a solution, these Big Time Takers should instruct their execs to quit demanding and refuse any and all taxpayer subsidies. If they need to take from me to turn a profit, then they are obviously incompetent at their job and probably should be on that very same unemployment line as those they ridicule. 

        • Andrew Carnegie says:

          Actually, the corporate shake down artists are not saying what you attribute to them.  An awful lot of government largesse has gone to Obama and Dem "bundlers", (I am thinking about you Pat Stryker) who are politically in total sinc with you.  

          If you think it is a Republican vs. Dem thing, you are missing the boat.  It is a "governing class" vs. "governed" thing in my view.

    • Andrew Carnegie says:

      Here is my idea on loopholes to eliminate.  

      Cap the amount of interest that can be deducted on a mortgage to the interest associated with a $200,000 mortgage.  There is a lot of money that would get freed up and it would eliminate the perverse system where people who rent because they can't afford to buy subsidize those that buy.  It would also be a check on crazy loans and make housing more affordable.

      Put the money raised in escrow until you reform entitlements.

      • hawkeye says:

        How about those who got into homes thorugh no/low interest, liar loans and then gamed the system through default, faux cooperation to forestall forclosure, then bankruptcy and inevitable eviction … essentially free housing for 2-5 years as the process runs its course.  Responsible renters have been subsidizing these irresponsible no-equity "owners", especially during the last downturn.  Indeed, life isn't fair.  

  3. Andrew Carnegie says:

    In the Sad, but True department,  

    Gary Kasparov, former chess champion and current human rights activist in Russia Tweets:

    "I've said it before, but if Barack Obama had been president instead of Ronald Reagan, I'd still be a citizen of the Soviet Union."


    He also tweets:

    Have to share a friend's joke, "They should take all the Lenin statues they just tore down in Ukraine & put them up at Obamacare centers!"

    Barack, Hillary and John's great work seems to be getting noticed.

    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

      Very interesting. I think we all know Tanc is only interested in being a D list rightie celeb these days, not in the actual work of holding any office, much less Governor.  He knows Hick is going to win in any case so there's no danger of that but a campaign is a lot of hard work and at least some personal expense. Gracefully handing off the job of losing to someone else would sure save him a lot of trouble and he could pretend to be all statesmanlike and unselfish while doing it. Not that he's ever cared about appearing less scumbaggy in the past.  And not that anyone will buy altruism coming from this professional clown but, hey, Whatever.

  4. Andrew Carnegie says:

    Did Baumgardner drop out?



  5. Diogenesdemar says:

    One thing you can say about today's gundamentalists — even though they're . . . er, . . . factually challenged . . . they're still quite entertaining:


    And, yeah, that's some very good news there at the end of that story!!!!!

  6. DavieDavie says:

    For those that might believe otherwise, There is no such thing as a safe gun


    A man from Independence Township, Michigan, accidentally shot himself to death on Monday while teaching his girlfriend about gun safety, the Oakland Press reports.


    This isn't the first time a gun safety demonstration has gone wrong. In January 2013, 18-year-old Florida resident Alexander Xavier Shaw died doing a similar demonstration. Richard M. McLean, a 22-year-old from Michigan, died in a similar fashion in June 2012. Missouri resident James Looney, 40, was also teaching his girlfriend about gun safety when he shot himself in the head in September 2009.

    But I'm sure the RMGO's solution will be "more guns", like a good guy with a gun coulda prevented this?

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