Weekend Open Thread

"What madness is it to be expecting evil before it comes."


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  1. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    Best way to start the weekend – Zhanna Friske

  2. DavidThi808DavidThi808 says:

    Trying to post good news about Obamacare but this site keeps giving me an error. Here's just the link (see if this works) – www.cnbc.com/id/100925732


  3. MADCO says:

    Proof, as if it was needed, that the world is all screwed up.

    "Right wing cyber attacks on healthcare.gov Confirmed by Homeland Security



    Where is Monica Goodling when we need a strong Justice Departent?


  4. mamajama55mamajama55 says:

    In Colorado, we spend campaign money on issues, not candidates. This is amazing, to me. From TRACER, the secretary of state's website, a graphic about how money was spent in 2013 in Colorado:

    • DaftPunkDaftPunk says:

      Amazing?  There were no major candidate races, but a huge tax increase and secession votes.  See what it looks like next year.

      • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

        Well, yeah. What I'm getting at is how much of our political change now happens in "off-year" elections, reflectd by 16 million dollars.

        The recalls, Amendment 66, tax law changes – all of this happens when most Americans aren't paying attention.  Which can lead to a "tyranny of the minority", mirroring what is happening in the US House of Representatives.  And, I think, to even more corporate takeover of government.

        Issue committees have so much more flexibility than candidate committees. They can pop up, fund a $150K smear campaign (as  AFP-Colorado's "Free Colorado" campaign did against John Morse and Angela Giron"), then become inactive. Tax filings don't come out for a year, and can be laundered through other committees. Katherine Kennedy, at 2318 Curtis St, is the registered agent for over 40 conservative issue committees and 527s. Go to TRACER, do a registered agent search, put in Kennedy, and 47 results will come up, most of which will trace back to Katherine or Katie Kennedy at the Curtis St address.

        The same thing happens if one does a search with "Nicolais" as registered agent. 6 lobbying "issue committees" come up, along with generalized campaign slush funds such as the Senate Majority Fund.

        I guess that my point is that, absent a reversal of the Citizens United decision, we need to get better at tracking issue committee expenditures, because they are well on the way to determining our political futures.



    • dwyer says:

      Plus, the money spent on the non-partisan Denver School race was obscene. I think the same might be said for the Douglas Cty school board race.

      I think most of that "issue" money was to push for Amendment 66.

      • BlueCatBlueCat says:

        The same definitely could be said for Douglas County. And I love how the media just called both those races victories for "reform", without explaining how  different the "reform" in question was in those two races. They made it sound as if the same kind of thing triumphed in both Denver and DougCo which couldn't be farther from the truth. Are average journalists just a lot dumber than they used to be?

        • gertie97 says:

          They're younger. Experienced people have been bought out or laid off.

          Editors, particularly experienced ones, are an endangered species. See Post, Denver.

          They don't read much, anywhere, not even the paper they work for. They don't know the issues themselves so how can they question the politicians? They're happy with press releases and snappy sound bites.


          • BlueCatBlueCat says:

            Suppsedly they should be learning the discipline as journalism students. Guess not.

            • gertie97 says:

              J-School is only the basics. The rest is taught by experienced reporters and editors.

              It's true in almost every line of work. No matter how fine your education, you learn the real job once you're on it. People ahead of you teach you the tricks of the trade.


              • Sir RobinSir Robin says:

                It's called evolution:-) Which, by the way, continues.


              • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                I realize that people in all professions and trades learn more on the job than in school or training but the basics in journalism courses used to include stringent standards for fact checking and and strict differentiation between verifiable hard info and opinion. And even with opinion, the distinction between informed opinion and opinion pulled out of thin air just because was clear cut. If they are still teaching any of that in essay writing or in journalism courses, it doesn't show. 

                When my kid was in High School, the school paper he worked on demonstrated higher standards of journalism than what we see in "professional" journalism now. Heck,  when I was in junior high (we didn't have middle school back then) the standards for an essay in any 7th grade class in my school (granted the finest public school district in the Chicago area at the time with our high schools considered on a par with the best private prep schools) reflected higher standards for backing up any contentions than what we see across the media today. 

                I think It's a combination of the every opinion is equally valid (perhaps an offshoot of the self esteem nonsense that prevailed starting several decades ago in education) and pure Wikipedia for all your report and term paper needs laziness. I bet the ninnies who just did their job for Rand Paul by lifting material straight from Wikipedia with barely a comma change didn't even realize that doing so was plagiarism or that copying from a single source isn't research.

                It's a cultural change and not one of the positive ones.

          • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

            I might add…

            As well as our print media, our television options are… well, underwhelming.Those of you who have never spent time watching western slope TV can't truly grasp what it is like. Many of our anchors and reporters are fresh out of college (or still in it) and are paid peanuts to get "sound bite " stories for the 5:00 news. Ours is a training market.

            I am assuming that trend toward youth and inexperience is also present in front range media, but here, because of our limited menu, it is profoundly noticable…

  5. davebarnesdavebarnes says:

    Our Family’s Obamacare Saga

    1. In mid-Sptember, my wife (the younger, trophy wife) receives a "we are cancelling your [$270/mo – $4.5K HSA] policy" letter from Kaiser. No further explanation is in the letter.
    2. She calls KP and is told: no further info until October. We are nervous.
    3. On October 5, we surf to Connect for Health Colorado and check out the plans. KP has a Bronze plan, KP CO Bronze 5000/30%/HSA, for $340/mo.
    4. We don’t qualify for any subsidy, so we decide to just wait.
    5. In late October, she gets a letter from KP saying that there are new Obamacare-compliant plans available. She checks out their website and then (in November) calls KP and switches from her old plan to this new one for $350/mo. It is more, but if she gets pregnant at age 56, we are covered.

    So, a few points:

    1. KP’s letters sucked from a customer perspective. I am sure the lawyers were happy.
    2. The Colorado Obamacare website is useful and easy to use for research.
    3. Once we got to November, KP was easy to deal with.
    4. We are paying more, but not enough to worry about.

    One final note: I am 16 days into Medicare. Yea! But, up through October, I was paying $750/mo to United Health Care for a $4.5K/HSA plan. The Colorado Obamacare website says that I could buy an equivalent plan for $450/mo. Yea!

    Overall, I think that the Kenyan-Marxist Healthcare is a Good Thing®, but it is very complicated. I have no idea how people without a college education are going navigate their way through it successfully. I know what they did before: they went without medical insurance.

  6. ClubTwitty says:

    Old Newsman scores another…Charles Ashby with the GJ Daily Sentinel on Gesslers Quixotic Quest to piss off growing voting demographic. 

    Gessler made a…

    blockbuster statement that 16,270 non-citizens were registered to vote in Colorado and 5,000 of them actually had cast ballots in the 2010 state elections…


    …Gessler’s office said it has been able to identify only 80 non-citizens statewide who were on the voter rolls over the past nine elections, representing 0.0008 percent of the more than 10 million ballots that have been cast in those general elections…

    After years of critics demanding that Gessler forward names of suspected non-citizens whom he said were on the voter rolls, his office referred a list of 155 suspected non-
citizen voters in July to 15 district attorneys across the state, recommending prosecution…

    A check by The Daily Sentinel with those district attorneys over the past two weeks, however, revealed that none of the referrals led to criminal prosecutions, though some still are under investigation.

    Quality reporting from reporters in the field is the Sentinel's enduring value in Colorado.  You have to wade through Wagner, Harmon, and Penry, but there are very solid journalists working there as well. 





  7. Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

    I was just made aware of a story regarding a secret trade agreement currently underway and continuing in Salt Lake City, very soon. This is news to me, but, perhaps not to this community. I checked out the "Democracy Now" link, but my time is short this morning.


    Unless my impression is wrong, this is important….be very afraid…


    Check out the following links:












    • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

      TPP will be a killing blow to the American economy, if half of what it is projected to allow is allowed. Why the hell would we want to offshore more jobs, weaken regulations, and discourage "buying American"? Grrrr.

      Albert Becco, Pueblo Democrat and representing the Alliance for American Manufacturing, quizzed Scott Tipton at a town hall recently about Tipton's support for the TPP.


      Tipton danced around it, as he did with most of the tough queries from his audience. Paraphrased, Tipton's reply to Becco was "I am for creating jobs. My hydroelectric and lumber bills (note: I don't know which bill this is)  will create American jobs. Trust me."


        • mamajama55mamajama55 says:

          Paraphrased, as I said. Tipton definitely was portraying himself as a jobs creator with a jobs plan, to answer Albert Becco's concern.

          • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

            Right…I caught the inference. Of, course I trust him. How could anyone ever doubt the integrity of Congressman Tipton? Well, other than the majority of his constituents, I mean.

            • BlueCatBlueCat says:

              Who vote for him nevertheless.

              • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                I am not sure he can continue to count on it, though, BC. The last year or so has seen a significant opposition to him growing within his own party. This will be an interesting election…

                • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                  I wouldn't get overly optimistic. Just sayin'.

                  • Duke CoxDuke Cox says:

                    Believe me, BC, I have lived here far too long to be optimistic about voters on the western slope. How many times have I seen them reject an outstanding candidate and elect a greedy buffoon to office?

                    Answer…almost without exception.

                    • BlueCatBlueCat says:

                      It's been the same for me here in CD6 with the exception of a couple of terms for a really good HD38 Rep, Joe Rice, swept out in the 2010 election with the help of a million and a half spent in a little old HD to elect a poor man's Sarah Palin named Conti, as ignorant as the day is long.  She honestly believed that St Reagan never raised taxes and that taxes under Obama  were skyrocketing compared to the past. But am looking forward to the first possibility of ousting the GOTP from the CD6 House seat in 2014. 

  8. Gray in Mountains says:

    2 miners dead in Ouray. 20+/- trapped

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