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More Bad News for Polis

by: Colorado Pols

Fri Nov 30, 2007 at 15:04:05 PM MST


We said when the trip was first announced that visiting Iraq was a good strategic move for Jared Polis. But the entire trip could end up being more of a negative than a positive as the United Way runs away from him (which may have been why a reported campaign ad was pulled before it could run).

From The Denver Post:

The Mile High United Way has disassociated itself from Jared Polis' Thanksgiving trip to Iraq and insists its executive vice president used vacation days for the week he spent in the Middle East with the Democratic congressional candidate.

"It's inconceivable to me that we would knowingly walk into a situation where we were seen as participating in a candidate's trip," Paul Franke, chairman of the United Way's board of trustees, said Thursday. "It was not a United Way-sponsored trip."

A campaign news release sent the day before Polis left for Iraq said he would travel "as a supporter of the United Way's efforts to assist in the development of Iraqi nonprofit and humanitarian organizations."

Polis campaign manager Wanda James said Thursday that the United Way did not "in any way organize or pay for the trip." Polis, a multimillionaire Internet entrepreneur, went as a "potential donor to see the projects in the region for himself," she said.

The trip sparked a firestorm of criticism from his opponents, who called it a campaign stunt in disguise.

Polis, who is vying against two fellow Democrats to replace U.S. Rep. Mark Udall, paid for the trip for himself and United Way executive vice president Rich Audsley.

The Boulder Democrat has not said how much the trip cost, only that his attorney will sort out what he needs to disclose publicly on his next campaign finance report...

...At a town-hall meeting Wednesday night, Polis said he went to Iraq "with the United Way Denver chapter" to work on "building ties between Iraqis" and relief agencies.

United Way board member Ric Padilla said the board recently received a "clarification document" from Mile High United Way "that the trip was indeed a personal one and not sanctioned" by the organization. Another board member, Xcel Energy executive Roy Palmer, said through a spokesman that Audsley "did this as a private citizen on vacation time."

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New Campaign Song
Jared Polis unveiled a new campaign song. To the Tune of Blowin' In the Wind, it goes:

"How many times can a man tell a lie by claiming he just doesn't understand..."

and this helps voters choose between the candidates ...
how ?  
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Clever
Very celver gadfly/nonbeliever/whoever else you are.
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amateur hour
Pure amateur hour from the Polis campaign since  the very beginning. Not surprising at all.  
I thought Wanda James was supposed to be really good?
This strikes me as the kind of thing where you want to be careful how you frame it so your don't get blowback like this which then detracts from the story.

It's not like making it official was key to this being a big plus. I wonder if Audsley put in the vacation request before today...

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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xcel
is this primary between JfG and JP or Xcel verus JP??  
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Let's look at the facts.
In the press release that POLS put up on Nov 18th the Polis camp clearly stated:

Boulder, CO - Sunday, November 18, 2007 - Colorado Congressional candidate Jared Polis announced today he will travel to Iraq on Monday, November 19, 2007 as a supporter of the United Way's efforts to assist in the development of Iraqi nonprofit and humanitarian organizations.

"as a supporter of the United Way's efforts" not with the United Way.

In the release they also stated:

Polis hopes to directly involve the people of Colorado in the trip.  While in Iraq he is inviting the public to join him on a live blogging session and a live conference call from the Middle East.  He will be posting a daily journal on his website, www.PolisforCongress.com and will be asking the Iraqi people questions posted by Coloradans. Mr. Polis is traveling as a private citizen and his views and comments are not reflective of the United Way.

"Mr. Polis is traveling as a private person" and he will post stuff to his campaign website.  What was misstated?  The media is really beginning to turn me off.  I think this story reeks of bad journalism.

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Enough
Polis traveling to Iraq with/without/next to/whatever/ the United Way - not an issue.

Polis taking money from Swift Boaters - an issue.

There.  You all have my two cents (as if you wanted it).  And who made me final arbiter of these important issues you say ?  Not a goddam person.

Enough.  Good weekend to all.

" The webinar is free, however, there are only 250 spaces available "

Some douche

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Good response!


"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner
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It's how it is playing that is a problem
My point is that if this was all framed correctly at the start they wouldn't keep getting these negative articles about what should be non-issues.

Jared going to Iraq was a great idea IMHO. But because of these details it's value is being reduced. And if everything had been laid out correctly up front, none of this would have happened.

Forget if these things should be issues - they are getting play in the press and therefore they are issues.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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Agreed...
No reason I can see for Jared's campaign to claim this trip was somehow not campaign related.  Isn't it a good thing for a candidate to go and learn about the most important issue in a race first-hand?  It's a great contrast with Joan, too, because Jared has always opposed the war in Iraq and Joan voted for a resolution supporting it.

Of course there could be some financial or otherwise non-political reason that I'm just not aware of for the Polis campaign's weird spin on this trip.

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jared is a candidate and a major donor to many orgs
maybe that confussing, i thinks it clear in the press release but when there are spinners w/ an undisclosed adgenda aka coloradopols  they will spin


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Just how threatened insider dems are feeling about JP is no surprise either

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huh?
Way to respond to the issue Neil. Very impressive. You really laid that strawman to waste. Best of luck on your next windmill adventures.

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Thanks Steve.
This is the CD 2 topic you decide to post on?  You think this is an issue? JP going to Iraq is an issue, JFG supporting Bush is an issue.  These are things voters care about.

The only people who think United Way is an issue are insiders who wish to spin it that way.

I usually enjoy your posts on other topics, very informative, but your insider perspective got the best of you when it compelled you to write your first post.

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Why I was compelled to post on CD2
I was compelled to post on this because the "insiders" have been saying for close to a year that Joan is a pro and will run a flawless campaign. The question has been, can Polis match that? Clearly he cannot.

Hurling psuedo-pejoratives about doesn't change anything. Why are the Polis folks so quick to label anyone who opposes th Boy Wonder an "insider." It's not as though Polis is from the political hinterlands. The only reason he is not yet an "insider" is that he's still early in his career.

If you want to pull for the insurgent candidate in this race you should be looking at Will Shafroth. He has done nothing but surprise and impress this "insider." Where as Joan and Jared have run about how I and many others have long predicted. Frankly Joan has been a bit boring, I'd like to see her more agrressive - perhaps that is changing now.  

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Insider is not a bad word.
  And just about all politicians become one to certain degree, c'est la vie.  But when insider talk becomes the issues, I get frustrated.  WS is an outsider, a nice guy, but a do nothing so far, let the other candidates beat each other down, emerge victorious guy and I don't care for that. JFG is already one, there's no turning her back.  I am looking for change.

I say, demonstrate you are a portent for change NOW. Do not play it safe. Any campaign with JP as a candidate is going to make mistakes, he is not your average candidate.  When I step back and look at his trip to Iraq, I don't think, United Way affiliation? Did the United Way guy put his vacation time in first?, how did he expense that?, what was the wording in the press release?  
Read the posts he wrote from Iraq, the observations, the insights. Appreciate the intellect and his ability to absorb information.  Trust that he will act, vote, and legislate accordingly. Did he come back with the solution to end all the conflict? Hell no.  But I am damn sure he'll never support a war like that the way JFG did.

That is why I don't mind if he says my lawyer will work out the legalese for the Untied Way trip, or if he used lobbysists to curb the influence of big money lobbyists with 41, or if he supports a experimental voucher bill bc what we have aint workin.. And further, if he received $$ from people who also donated to SwiftBoat, who gives a damn.  If they are gonna give money, let them.  If anybody really thinks JP is beholden to them or supports them, or he didn't support Kerry, so be it.

 In life, certain people are doers.  They get stuff done.  The business sector, the faith sector, republicans in general have their share of these people working for them.  The Dems don't.  Fight fire with fire.  I am so sick of slowly having to accept realities thrust upon me by fucking neocon doers.  Let's not forget that JP was a HUGE reason CO is now blue. And anyone who says he is just throwing around money has never met the man.

And Ill just accept rebuttals anyone here makes about how we need to follow rules, and that there is an existing political arena that needs accommodation.  I have respect for that.  Let's just not let those rules shackle and divert our attention from what is really important.

I honestly would not hate it if JFG or WS were elected.  As much of a JP supporter that I am, in another district I could really get behind her, WS too.  But in my eyes, JP really is the sharpest weapon CD 2 has to affect real change.  

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"In life, certain people are doers. They get stuff done. "
Yeah, often bad stuff, illegal stuff, stuff that hurts real people.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions

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Good point
George Bush is quite the "Doer."
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2004 OpenSecrets.org for Kerry
JFG = $0.00
Polis Schutz family = $10,450.
So much for Swift Boat.
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flawed logic
Polis' donation to Kerry is not a defense for his acceptance of swift boat money. That's unacceptable and anyone trying to make excuses for JP should just stop. He's a big boy and he decided that taking money (money he didn't ned I might add) from these scoundrels was just fine. Now he can live with the consequences. I've had it with this guy screwing up and people constantly making excuses for him and rationalizing his bad decisions.  
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Danny, we are on the way to hell cuz of those damn neocons.
But WS is not gonna save us.
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"But in my eyes, JP really is the sharpest weapon CD 2 has to affect real change. "
I think Jared has proven several times over the last year that he's a neophyte. Joan's experience and political savy make her much more likely to be able to lead quickly, imho.

Polis got rooked by Common Cause on A41, had to spend probably six figures of his own money to try and clean it up and that has carried over into his campaign. I don't need to rehash the missteps he's taken thus far.

I'll add that his position on vouchers (and subsequent blatant lying about his record) as well as the Cranberg money and the Swift Boat money have led me to believe that JP is not fit  to hold office as a Democrat. For a progressive he sure likes to cozy up to insidious right wingers and their pet causes.  

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Well the neophyte leads the country in fundraising, without counting his own money,
with more than 1000 donors. His trip to Iraq resonates louder with the voters than anything the other candidates have done during the campaign. And clearly he has positioned himself well enough so far to make JFG's campaign sweat bullets that they have to resort to attacks much earlier than they probably imagined.  Some say JP is leading.  That's what the neophyte has done.

And I think you really are taking too many liberties with the truth when you say he is cozying up to Alex Cranberg and Swift Boaters.  I don't even think I have to ask.  You have nothing to base that claim on besides received camapign checks.  JP was chair of the SBOE, do you really think he is subject to Cranberg and his "voucher agenda" or could it be that his support of the experimental voucher bill was an unpopular but necessary exploration into education reform.  Or do you mean AC's ties to Oil and Gas cuz I think JFG is too cozy with them, not to mention the most insidious right winger of them all, GWB. Or was her support for him just political savy?

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wait...
I thought Iraq wasn't part of his campaign?

Accepting large campaign donations from avowed right wingers is unacceptable practice for a Democratic candidate. Period. End of story. There's no room for that in my party. That you're making excuses for him is amusing. What did you think when Republican's were writing checks to Joe Lieberman?

Polis' ties to vouchers go far beyond his support of the "experimental voucher" bill. You know that and JP hasn't tried to hide his support of vouchers. Until now.

Did Joan cut a check to Bush? Didn't think so. Your analogy is beyond screwy there.

Oil & Gas?  Yep, that's a real concern. So is a guy who thought A41 was a good idea. None of them are perfect but one of them has already demonstrated their true colors by cozying up to right-wingers and lying about his position on vouchers. Mix in his shortsightedness and rank hypocrisy on A41 and you have a bad Democrat and a bad candidate.

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Uh,
Glad to see that you've taken ownership of the Dem party.  Since I don't have a problem with JP taking money from Repubs, will you be revoking my Dem membership card?

Look, I don't entirely disagree with your post.  But don't go around making definitive statements about what is acceptable for a Dem candidate to do regarding campaign contribs.

Disagree with what JP does all you want...but don't act like you've been appointed Lord High Chancellor of the party.

And, while I know you were asking Neil what he though of Lieberman taking Repub money, I'll offer my thoughts.  Sure, it was shady.  But last time I checked, he's still the junior US Senator from Connecticut and Ned Lamont is sitting in Greenwich counting his money.  Joe won, Ned lost...that is, after all, the point that matters in electoral politics...

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Junior Independant senator
He is no longer a Democratic Senator.  He acts as Bush's mouthpiece.  Maybe he is just reflecting the values of the people who gave him money.

And I don't think its all about winning and losing, it a about what you do--this is more important than sports.

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Then someone should send him a note...
and tell him to stop voting w/ the Dems 87.1% of the time.  Obviously Lieberman is in the Prez's hip pocket when it come to the war.  But does that one issue (a HUGE issue as we all know) make him not a Dem?

And let's not forget that technically Joe is still and "Independant Democrat."  That's not me talking, that's what he's officially recorded as in the congressional record.  

Of course the beauty of our electoral system is that it doesn't matter what we in Colorado think of Lieberman.  It doesn't matter what the Dem party thinks of him either.  What matters is what the voters of Connecticut think. They thought enough of his 87.1% agreement w/ Dems to reelect him.  

The reality is that Lieberman has voted w/ Dems more often than Evan Bayh, Mary Landrieu, Claire McCaskill, and Ben Nelson.  So is it OK to call them "not dems" as well;  or, are they OK b/c they stay in line when it comes to opposing the war?

I agree that "what you do" is important.  But if "what you do" doesn't get you elected, you end up like Ned Lamont...

And here's the link for the 87.1% if you care.
http://projects.washingtonpost...

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I believe you on the stats, but thanks for posting--I love sourcing
But technically he did not run as a D, he is listed as an Independant that caucus's with the D's. He can call himelf anything he wants, but he didn't win as D.  

What if everyone who lost the party primary acted like a petulant child and decided to run in the general?

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In most cases they would lose badly
People don't do it because it would fail, not beacuse it's wrong.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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who's party?
It is MY party though as I have given my blood, sweat and treasure to the party since I was a kid. Just as it is YOUR party because of your involvement and dedication.
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Your dedication to the Dem Party, while commendable,
is not a convincing argument for who it is OK to accept money from, sorry. I prefer actually identifying if there is an actual connection.  I wont accept pure speculation.  Go ahead and prove there is a connection btw JP and Swiftboaters, then we'll talk.

And I can tell when you call JP a bad candidate and bad democrat your just espousing blog dribble.  You're arguing me, not the issues.

And I didn't say JFG donated to Bush, but she voted in support of him.  That constitutes bad democratic values, especially to the voters of CD 2.

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Pols to file an in kind to JFG?
it must of been really hard for Pols to say something positive, luckily they found an angle to take it negative.
seriously is Pols going to disclose and make a inkind to JFG for all this publicity  
Why are we to blame for this?
We didn't write this story. Blaming Pols for stuff that the media does is really lame, but if it makes you feel better, go nuts.
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my bad
i didn't see it was a denver post story- but I completely stand by the asseration that you should disclose your bias in CD2
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drunkin sailor ect and many other stories coloradopols orginals

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off for the weekend, have fun dueling

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Pols is seriously just an arm of JFG campaign
and that should be what shows up on the FEC report! or at least included in SEIU's in kind
1-800-555-WAAA!
Look, if you don't like the press that Polis is getting and Pols is covering, blame either Polis's campaign for leading off their "I'm going to Iraq" press release with "in support of the United Way's efforts" or on the press which can't seem to get enough of it.

Or make an arrangement for you and all the other fresh new faces screaming about everything being "just an arm of JFG campaign" to pay in-kind for your 24-hour blogging for Jared and maybe Pols will put in for the same on Joan's campaign just to humor you.

In my opinion, this has been handled badly by the campaign.  Jared going to Iraq - fine.  Jared going to Iraq "in support of the United Way" and then doing a pretty much 100% political campaign trip - not so fine.  Jared going as a campaign trip - fine.  Jared saying his attorneys would have to figure out just what was a campaign expense and what wasn't - not so fine.  It's been a political football and it could have been simply a positive campaign idea.  His message is starting to get lost, and he has only bad campaign decisions and an active press to blame.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

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here here!

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Jeff, I don't think Polis has denied the campaign was involved.
From all thay I have read, it appears they denied it was a "political stunt."
another mistake by Wanda James
The campaign has run out of mistakes it could make.  Hiring problems (Raf Naboa incident), and now this. Are these mistakes by Wanda James or is Jared running his own campaign into the ground.  Campaign staffers are going to start to look for new jobs soon.  Does anyone know if Polis lost his Field Director Maria Handley.  Did she jump ship to Rollie Heath's campaign.  Did she see something inside that we are not seeing.    
Enough with the Swift Boat
I'm going to begin this post with a statement:  I have not yet decided who I am supporting in this congressional race.  I am newer to the district and still have a lot to learn before I vote.   The one thing  I really can't believe, though, is how any politically savvy person would even stop to listen to a critique of a candidate taking donations from people who donate to other people.  
Now I understand many of us  feel a little bitter toward the swift boat vets, and rightfully so.  However, how is contributing money to the swift boaters any different from contributing money to a republican candidate?  The intentions of those donating to the swift boat vets was to assure John Kerry would not take office.  So are the intentions of those who donated to George W. Bush (or any other republican for that matter).  And if taking money from republican-donors is a cardinal sin, then I'm pretty sure every elected official out there is going to hell.  
I have enjoyed many of the articles on Colorado Pols as it has been very informative and energetic.  This, I must say, is ludicrous.  
SBVT walked on people
I don't care if people donate honestly to get someone elected.  But if all you can think about the SBVT campaign was that it was to get Republicans elected, you're missing something pretty major.

But more importantly is the question that those SBVT donors raise in their donations to Jared: why are they donating to him?  One of them said Mr. Laffer told them Jared was a good supply-sider.  Is it true?  There are certainly enough questions to make someone wonder.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

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This isn't just about appearances, it is about the law
There are clear finance and IRS issues.  You can say everybody does it (not true), you can say it doesn't matter (not true), but you can not say that there are not real questions of ethics and law.

This from A-41's chief backer who says on his website "Americans deserve an ethical government, and I will fight hard to end the culture of corruption and gift giving by insisting on the highest standards of transparency and accountability."

I think the trip was sunstantive and if he had just laid it out as campaign event before hand it would have been a big plus.  Instead he plays fast, loose and cute with the rules.  This is not the first time either, this is one of the 2 reasons I hammer the guy so much. I don't like it when Bush plays fast and loose with the rules and I don't like it when Democrats do it either.

Well said, Danny.


Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.
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Ditto
The "my lawyer will figure it out" is one of the worst ways to answer this. It's like Al Gore's response on the fundraising where his emphasis was on how it was legal rather than responding to the big question of was it right.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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OK, I'll fess up - I am old line Colorado Republican with an observation
I do not know Polis.  Have never had a conversation with him.  Do not live in CD2, so I have no particular axe to grind.  I do have a couple of observations, however.

First, it appears that Polis really does not have any kind of intellectual discipline or insights to bring to public policy.  If he did not have more money than hardly anyone else in Colorado politics, would anyone be taking him seriously?

I confess that I have not followed his various pronouncements with any kind of actual attention or analysis, but it strikes me that he has not brought any thing of substance to the public policy debate.  Seems as if, if I can be somewhat course here, that he doesn't get much beyond the very vocal guy sitting by himself at the end of the bar who simply has an opinion on everything.

Secondly, and I think this is actually an indictment of Colorado politics as it is currently practiced, Polis is an example of the destablization of the political process.

Polis, and there are contemporary Republicans as well, have never had to actually formulate balanced public policy where they send the time and the effort to bring diverse interests to the table and do the hard work of taking the most legitimate points from those groups and weaving a fabric of ground rules that will define how real people in the real world will work with one another.

In summary, I find Polis about as interesting as I do John Andrews.  I think they are essentially the same personalities and enjoy the same sorts of bigotry - just focused differntly.  Mostly I find them boring intellects.

As a Republican - not how the current Republicans are defined - I think (as a Republican) that Bill Owens will go down in history as the only Governor in the history of the state and as a territory who no one will remember for any contribution during his entire public career - none - nada.  

I think, as a Republican, that everyone is underestimating Will Shafroth and what he stands for.

I understand that Pols is an outlet for Democratic activists and there is probably very few of the readers or contributors who will not fall into one of the J/J camps.  Perhaps it is time for some of you folks to take a deep breath and rethink what is going on the 2nd.

Having said these things, it is perfectly OK with me - as a Republican - for the contributors to unleash diatribes against the Colorado Republican Party.  I will probably agree with most of your observations.

A man after my own heart
.
Gosh, I wanted to be a Republican, fit in,
I really did.  

Look at the website.
Great statement of Principles.  

Unfortunately,
the party wasn't about principles,
by the time I left.  
At least not in my county.  

Dan Willis once called me --
help me out, Dan --
? was it an elephant in a donkey suit ?
after I switched parties.

I was looking for a party that welcomed, if not embraced, me.
The Democratic Party ought to get ready for more folks who are ready to switch,
and try harder to make them feel they belong.
.  

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Jared definitely brings something to a debate
And it's not, as you imply, just ego.  As a philanthropist, Jared has done a great job filling a need in education - more than one, actually.  He has shown a willingness to "think outside the box", especially when the box is drawn in a prototypical Democratic or Republican way.

I don't personally underestimate what Will Shafroth could be as a Congressman; given what I know of the candidates, I would be more than happy with any of the three of them.  But the key phrase there is "given what I know of [them]."  I'm going to keep pushing to know more up through the primary, and I hope that after all of this, all three of them stay involved and in contact.

PS - I don't think I need to unleash on the Colorado GOP.  They're self-explanatory.

"We're below sharks and contract killers." -- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), speaking on Congress's 9% approval rating

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Jared is different
Maybe this is because I've spent most of my life in the start-up world as Jared also has - but it's a different approach used there that works very well there. And that is to try 10 things and you know have or more will fail. Stick with the ones that work and go try 10 more things.

Now this has problems in the political realm. Some are substantive problems like being saddled with a badly written amendment until '08. Some are more issues of perception like "my lawyer will figure out how to bill the trip."

There are benefits to the political realm to bringing some of this start-up approach to politics. But just some. The question is can Jared bring a good balance between the two. At present he's still working with a start-up level of faliures to successes and in a campaign I don't think that ratio will be successful.

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

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That may be a good way to look at it . . .
. . .but it's also a question of decision-making and judgment.  We really need people in public office who have good judgment and can make good decisions whether "on the fly" or with considerable deliberation.  Some of us think that JP has a history of making bad decisions, and then not owning up to it.  That's a problem.
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Best post I've read in a long time
Thanks for taking the time.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner
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Perfect example...
So basically Jared with his millions wanted to go to Iraq but you can't get there by himself. So he shopped around to non-profits saying "I'm a potential donor, but take me to Iraq"  and he found one to fall for his tricks. He should be ashamed of himself, and a perfect example of how he constantly throws his money around to buy access. And everything Wanda say's from here on out should have a big old fat * next to everything because we know now it will be followed by some later clarification.  
perfect example
So basically Jared with his millions wanted to go to Iraq but he couldn't can't get there by himself. So he shopped around to non-profits saying "I'm a potential donor, but take me to Iraq"  and he found one to fall for his tricks. He should be ashamed of himself, and a perfect example of how he constantly throws his money around to buy access. And everything Wanda say's from here on out should have a big old fat * next it  because we now know it will be followed by some later clarification.  
actually, anyone with enough cash can visit Iraq
.
you gotta buy plane tickets
and hire security
and pay baksheesh to get visas expedited,

but it's not difficult.  

......

What's a little trickier is getting into the Green Zone.  
I imagine that United Way connections made that easier,
but many people, even me, have contacts that could have arranged it,
without much trouble and at little additional cost.  

.....

I'm pretty sure Jared's team is savvy enough to work out the logistics.
This is why I assume Jared was doing UW a favor,
more than the other way around,
by inviting them to tag along.
.  

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I don't care about Polis
But I do care about the harm that a stunt like this can cause the United Way. It's supposed to be a nonpartisan organization. It took way too long to fully disassociate itself from Polis, in my opinion.

I don't see this as Polis' fault. His press release was accurate. What's surprising to me is how sloppily the United Way handled it - and how belatedly it took action.

"Why not do the right thing for the American people, even though it's not exactly what we want." - Speaker Boehner

Long post on Jared's response to all this
http://www.davidthielen.info/p...

thanks - dave

Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!

Read your thread--the most balanced thing I 've seen

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Thank you


Where all the cool kids will be on Saturday - Code War!
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