Who Will Win? (CD4)

Who is Betsy Markey??? Just Kidding

I think that the new and improved MM will be hard to beat with "B" candidates.

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by: LarimerDem @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 19:54:04 PM UTC

Not helping

So instead of helping Markey turn into an "A" candidate (whatever that means) you'd rather degrade her?

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:09:52 PM UTC

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Right on Go Blue!

I'm so tired of hearing about "back stabbers" and then folks like this turning around with malice towards someone in their own party.  I'd expect that from a GOP'er but another Dem?

C'mon all - let's help Betsy beat MM!

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by: hamiam @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:52:24 PM UTC

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Betsy has a long way to go

I'm not saying there is no chance she'll win but she has to really step it up and I'm not sure she is capable of it.  I agree with the other post on here that she needs to raise at least 200K to show she's got the juice to win.

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by: mountain man @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:30:52 AM UTC

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wake up

I know as well as anyone here the realities of campaign fundraising, but putting an actual number on it is ludicrous; always has been. It depends on the divide between the candidates, their supporters (community supporters like state senators and mayors) against those of DC lobbyists who are giving scripts to candidates to make robo-calls to solicite cash with.

Everyone knows, this is about the issues that mean so much to us; iraq, health care, education, the environment, not about a monetary figure or name recognition. MM has DC money, and in my opion a horrible name to run as one of the worst politcians in Washington, she does not represent the people.

"Suddenly, it may be cool to be American again" - William J. Kole

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by: Go Blue @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 04:44:09 AM UTC

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Think about what you are saying

If you are proud of the campaign Betsy has run so far and if you are comfortable about her chances of winning based on what she has shown thus far then more power to you.  I think you are in for a rude awakening.  Betsy has been nothing but a disappointment so far and she needs to raise a siazable amount of money to turn her image around.

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by: mountain man @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 12:52:03 PM UTC

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What are you trying to say here?

In my opinion, and based on what I know, Betsy has nothing to be ashamed of.  What are you trying to allude to here, and why aren't you just spitting it out if in fact there is a basis?  Or is it just the smoke and mirrors of allegation without substance?

Yeah, Betsy ran against Angie for a time here - yeah, she supported Angie during the last go. 
Betsy can win CD4 with the following:
1. Experience with the people,
2. a clean background and approach that most Coloradans desire,
3. She is a strong and independent thinker - not tied to political players as some would have you believe and
4. a commitment and passion for progressive bipartisan change

So because Betsy saw that 2006 was "close but no cigar," for Angie, really wants a strong representative for CD4, and felt that her above traits made her a stronger candidate for actually winning the seat - she's a backstabber?  I don't think so.  People have to remember that this race was never about Betsy's loyalty to Angie, but her loyalty to the people of CD4 and her desire to win for them.

Instead of spouting off doubts and potentially pushing her further back, why not take that energy and promote Betsy?  Get to know her better and you will find a sincere and honorable woman that I'd be proud to have for my US Rep.

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by: hamiam @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 14:24:13 PM UTC

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Sounds like Fluff to me

Betsy can't do anything if she can't raise money.  This is not my opion this is a fact she rasied a very small amount of money last quarter for some one who claims to be so well connected.  If she really was that well connected she would have raised more money. 

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by: mountain man @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 16:38:16 PM UTC

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I don't usually agree with the mountain man

But I agree with the general sentiment. 

I am withholding judgment until this reporting period--maybe is was just a rookie stumble.

She has been running fundraisers with Salazar in attendance, but she has been undercharging (in my opinion)--a sitting US senator is worth more than $50.

Maybe she just has to build up a donor list.  But she probably has Salazar's donor list.  His list is large,  probably more than 2500 names that gave him $250 bucks or more(statewide-national).

I don't know what's going on at her campaign and I'm kind of rambling.

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 17:17:18 PM UTC

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Salazar is screwing Markey's fundraising chances

At least speaking personally, Salazar's recent right-wing pandering (MoveOn ad, military justice (habeas corpus), FISA, Iran resolution, etc., etc., etc.) are a major negative for Markey, and, as long as she has a strong association with him, my enthusiasm for supporting her is not very high.

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by: G Pulviczek @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 18:03:43 PM UTC

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Markey is running in the CD4 not CD1 or 2

I am left of Salazar, but folks in the CD4 are not.

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 18:09:02 PM UTC

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Exactly right!

Many people in CD4 are left of Musgrave - but not many are left of Salazar, and that is why Betsy is a decent contender.

On top of that Salazar supports her - but that doesn't mean they agree on every issue.  Give the girl credit for having brains of her own - which she does.

Finally, with respect to the fundraising issue of Q1 - do people not realize that Betsy only worked on the campaign for a portion of the 1st quarter, thus her comparisons to Angie's $s are not apples to apples? 

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by: hamiam @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 21:11:30 PM UTC

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correction 2nd quarter

but to the substance--her fund raising was terrible apples to apples, oranges, twinkies or stale bread.

Don't make excuses.

She has to post good numbers in the 3rd quarter or someone else will jump in.

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 21:15:15 PM UTC

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Goes from leaning R to safe R

  As a pure speculation I wonder if AP had her own internal polling that showed MM 2.0 would be tough to beat, maybe further sweetened by the knowledge that the backstabbers pushing the primary challenge would likely be subjected to an even worse drubbing. 

  I wish her well, she's a scrapper.

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by: RavenDawg @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 20:56:00 PM UTC

Why only three options?

Outside of Fort Collins insiders, Betsy Markey is going nowhere. Angie's exit opens up the opportunity for a stronger Democrat to step in and fill the void. The DCCC tested both Brandon Shaffer and Betsy Markey, and they went with Shaffer. Who will fill the vacuum as the serious candidate?

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by: BlueBoulder @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 22:00:29 PM UTC

I could not agree more!

Blueboulder, I couldn't agree with you more!  With Angie out of the race, opportunity has now presented itself for a more serious candidate who honestly has a chance to win!  Markey has a snowball's chance in he** of winning this race.  She can write about the experience in her diary.  She can tell her grandkids about it.  However, she won't ever get the chance to actually serve.  If Markley has not hit the $200k mark raised for the quarter, I would like to believe a more serious candidate would step in a run a real campaign.

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by: coloradodem1 @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:20:38 AM UTC

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I'm confused...

I've lurked here before, and simply had to become a member for this poll.  My confusion is this - when Betsy cited a DCCC poll showing that Eidsness votes would more likely have gone to MM rather than AP, the DCCC was called a biased source.  But here, you're going to use it?  Please...

Betsy will win this race now that Angie is out.  They were both good contenders, but Betsy is more likely to appeal to Dems and moderate Republicans alike than AP was. 

Seems to me the numbers show more of the sour grapes attitude than anything...MM is very vulnerable - she will not win.

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by: hamiam @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:08:08 PM UTC

I couldn't disagree more !

All you have to do is listen closely to Betsy and you will hear a woman who is an "independent" thinker and doesn't follow anyone but her own good progressive mind.  She has incredible depth and has thought out the issues that face all Americans.  Watch her slowly - as she will gain in the polls and I hope those who are "nay sayers" will return to this blog and post something different in a month or so.

Unless you had heard her speak you wouldn't have known that what she has been doing for the past three years is very important to her campaign.  She is the regional representative for Salazar, her entire job was committed to serving Northern Colorado and building relationships with prominent CO leaders. Betsy knows EVERY mayor or EVERY town (no matter how small) in N.CO and they all respect her. 

One example of her efforts came this summer when she gathered unlike minds together, with lots of individuals and agencies who had a "self-interest" in the project - to work out a first rate bill that is called the Rocky Mtn Nat. Park Wilderness Bill (S-1380).  The bill was then supported by Allard and Musgrave as if they wrote it.  They know better. 

I hope, those who are "04 Dems and Independents" will give Betsy a chance and when given the opportunity, will listen to her.  The alternative is so bad...2 more years of Musgrave - I don't think so!!!

Ann

amolison

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by: Ann Molison @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:12:17 PM UTC

So, what about the southeast?

"her entire job was committed to serving Northern Colorado and building relationships with prominent CO leaders. Betsy knows EVERY mayor or EVERY town (no matter how small) in N.CO and they all respect her." 

This is the problem, is she depending on the north to win?
What about Pinon Canyon. The opposition coalition that has built momemtum is NOT happy with Ken Salazar with his recent partnering with Allard on two new amendments asking the Military to justify why they need the expansion.
Don't forget there is Baca, Bent, Prowers,part of Otero, Kiowa,Crowley and other plains areas that are very sensitive to this issue and applaud the House, Musgrave/Salazar ammendment that passed 383-35.

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by: jfenter @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 17:16:20 PM UTC

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Look at the 06 results

Nobody lives in the eastern and southern counties!  In each of them there were a couple hundred for Musgrave and a few for Paccione, they are mostly irrelevant and unbelievably red so are a waste of time for any democratic candidate!

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by: cothespian06 @ Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 00:41:42 AM UTC

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If they didn't matter wouldn't we have representative paccione right now?

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Fri Sep 28, 2007 at 04:04:25 AM UTC

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Excuse me?

Try almost 2000 votes for MM and over 1000 for Angie in Prowers alone, and that was in an off (non-presidential) year where we had slowdowns at the polls (in Lamar) on Election Day nearly as bad as Denver's.

In our election Tuesday Lamar had a 55% turnout.

I think Prowers ought to serve up at least 5K assorted votes in 2008.  Plenty enough to add or subtract some important percentage points for the CD-4 race.


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by: NeonNurse @ Sat Nov 10, 2007 at 06:03:38 AM UTC

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Support out East

Out East Ken Salazar is popular and so is Bill Ritter.  Ritter actually won the 4th CD and Salazar came close.  Both of them want to take this seat and both are friends with Betsy Markey.  Their help will be significant out there.

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by: FunInCO @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:17:16 PM UTC

Who's the other vote for EE?

I'm sure EE voted for himself, but who's the other vote?

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by: Danny the Red (hair) @ Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 23:34:34 PM UTC

its over

this isn't even a race now, come on.....

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by: repsjohnso @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 00:46:01 AM UTC

Let's not forget the last four letters of American

I can

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.

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by: Sir Robin @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:39:47 AM UTC

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Inspiring

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by: John Galt @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:52:01 AM UTC

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I hope you're not being snarky:-)

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.

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by: Sir Robin @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 02:58:41 AM UTC

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That comment was just begging for some snark!

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by: colorado_dude @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:39:54 AM UTC

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Agreed:-)

Nonetheless!

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble and reclaim the commons. Stop the militarization of America.

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by: Sir Robin @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 03:43:40 AM UTC

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I can't even...

bring myself to vote for Mad Cow in this poll even though I think it is likely she and her udders will be going back to Washington...

"I've learned a lot of lessons being involved in politics. I also believe that when you are attacked, you have to deck your opponents." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

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by: Coloradem1 @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 11:53:52 AM UTC

MM in a walk

MM1.0 handled Matsunaka and Paccione - both smart, seasoned, and tough candidates. The smarter, more seasoned, and tougher MM2.0 will run 60-40 against BM in a race not as close as that score might indicate.

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by: Taxosaurus @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 15:36:44 PM UTC

60-40!!

You're kidding yourself.  Way more than 40% of CD-4 can't stand MM.  Anyone could run against MM and get at least 45% in a two way race.

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by: LarimerBoy @ Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 18:48:47 PM UTC

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