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Making Nice With Anarchists

by: Colorado Pols

Tue Jun 12, 2007 at 07:17:31 AM MDT


As the Rocky Mountain News reports, it ain't easy:

Vows that protesters would "party in the streets" during next summer's Democratic National Convention were met with a stern rebuke from a Denver city councilman Monday night.

"The police department will not roll over for any radical group," Denver Councilman Charlie Brown said at a council meeting. "No group will dictate police tactics."

At issue was a proclamation proposed by Councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie that would have called on police to respect demonstrators' rights at the convention. The Recreate 68 Alliance, which is organizing the protests, met recently with police officials to discuss how Denver would deal with demonstrations.

MacKenzie said she is withdrawing the proclamation, pending further discussion among council members at a public safety committee meeting July 11. She said she wanted to be sure that the council did everything it could to ensure that the encounters between police and protesters at the convention were peaceful.

Our view: Councilwoman Kathleen MacKenzie is perfectly justified in trying to negotiate a less-violent encounter with these protest groups, but so is Councilman Charlie Brown for holding that the city has no obligation--and a major disincentive--to restrict Denver police's use of any legal means of riot control during the Democratic National Convention.

Law enforcement types are quick to point out that the many protest groups who will self-converge on Denver next August will lack any kind of effective command and control (that's the point with anarchists as we understand it), making it doubtful that they would be able to keep their end of such a bargain anyway.

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Should the Denver city government negotiate terms with DNC protest groups?
Yes, they must try even if unsuccessful
No, it's ridiculous to negotiate with lawbreakers
Negotiate with some to marginalize others
Burn, Denver, burn!

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No
Anarchists can not be reasoned with.  They just want to hamstring the police with a supposed innocuous pledge so that when they break the law and break windows they can say it was the police's fault and use the pledge in court to get off.

Anyone else appreciate the irony
of anarchists negotiating with police?

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP

[ Parent ]
Anarchists....Bah
Those self indulgent fools are lucky there are laws.  Governments, courts and law enforcement are imperfect, but the only other option...mogadishu.  IF there was anarchy they'd be hunted down like dogs.  The trustifarians don't even know what they're fighting against.  Globalization--ask for a definition and specifics.  most of the stated goals are actually in conflict with each other.  Half the protesters want interationalist government half want no government.  They're lucky the law protects them.  I saw road warrior.  I got the dog, the leathers, the v8 interceptor and for a democrat , I'm a pretty good shot.

[ Parent ]
Hypocrites
I remember during the first Gulf War, I went to observe a protest, and a huge boat-of-a-car drove up next to me, and the driver asked "Hey man, where's the protest?"  I immediately noticed the irony of how this group in the car was going to protest "No Blood for Oil", and yet this gas guzzler from the 1970's was the reason we were going to war.

[ Parent ]
It was a handful of these cretins
that turned the WTO protests in Seattle into a riot. I was there (I lived in Seattle 1997-2005) and was unemployed that week (actually still drawing layoff money, so it was more like a vacation) so I went down to check it out. The streets were clogged but nothing was amiss until this small handful of troublemakers started trashing a Starbucks and all hell broke loose.

I don't exactly recall but I think the Seattle PD had done a lot of this kind of negotiating with the protest organizers, and it was only after the first riots broke out that the whole thing became a huge mess. The mayor overreacted and tried to limit the protests to "free speech zones" (far from the WTO meetings, natch) which only meant that the tens of thousands of peaceful but disruptive demonstrators now had a specific battle with the local authorities and marched all over downtown - to the meetings at one end and to city hall and Police HQ at the other end, paralyzing the entire downtown core (instead of about a third of it) and costing the city millions and millions of dollars, both in lost productivity and in civil rights suits which recently found that the so-called "free speech zones" were unconstitutional (duh).

Anyway, relating this to Denver - It's good that the protesters are meeting with police and it's very good that the city seems not to be willing to give in on their legal and constitutional powers to keep the peace. All kinds of people are going to turn out for this, including, I'm sure, hardcore anarchists who view the negotiations as a sellout and will do whatever the hell they want. The DPD needs to be able to deal with these jokers effectively without worrying about deals cut with the organizers.

"Thank you for putting your rank political motives on display." - ArapaGOP


[ Parent ]
Having lived in
the Chicago area during the 1968 Democratic Convention and Police Riot, I can't think of anything any city council or mayor would rather NOT do than "recreate 68". Regardless of intentions, the group's name choice alone made anything they proposed a non-starter.

thank god these fools can NOT recreate 1968
1) There was a war and a draft and the first wave of baby boomers graduated from college in june of 1968 and were subjected to the draft...

2) The voting age was 21, not 18...and many kids were being drafted for a war that they couldn't vote on....and would be dead and gone long before they had a chance to vote..

3) Martin Luther King who had become a passionate opponent to the war had been assassinated in April of 1968

4) Bobby Kennedy, who looked like he could take the Democratic nomination, and who was passionately against the war had been assassinated in June of 1968...

When bullets, not ballots, are the determinate and when a sizable portion of the population do not have the vote...then there are not democratic means to impact an election.....that was 1968....but it is NOT now...

Remember:  The kids who were in the street OUTSIDE the Democratic Election in 1968, were INSIDE running it in 1972....that is how real democratic institutions work.....

 For politics, geezers are golden.
by: BlueCat @ Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 19:19:14 PM MDT


[ Parent ]
when can I start saying I TOLD YOU SO?
  I was one of the very few bloggers in here who questioned the wisdom of inviting the Convention to Denver next year.  This is precisely why I felt that way. 
  It's not gonna look good when D.P.D. has to crack some heads along Speer Blvd. of the anarchists and anti-christs protesting against everything from the war in Iraq to the spraying of pesticides on produce.
  While it won't look good for the Dems nationally, that's not my real concern.  My real concern is how this will affect Democratic state legislative candidates in Colo. when Trailhead rears its ugly head and starts running the commercials linking Bernie Buscher, Kathleen Curry, and Wes McKinney with Al Sharpton, Cindy Sheehan, Susan Sarandon, and Tom Hayden.
  Be afraid.......be very afraid!

[ Parent ]
I agree OQD
Roll out the red carpet for the Anarchists!:)

[ Parent ]
This...
Is going to be AWESOME. 

*popcorn*

"He is a very shallow critic who cannot see an eternal rebel in the heart of a conservative." -GKC


[ Parent ]
Any thoughts
recommendations?  There is still time.  I'm sure Mike Dino et al. doesn't one this to blow up?

[ Parent ]
I'm going sailing
Renting my house out to some lefties from Mass. (Assuming they pass the background check).  THis is going to be a disaster for the city and the state. Have fun.

[ Parent ]
Option 5
How about hold some hearings, listen to the anarchists, public safety, and whomever else wants to say their bit, then pass an ordinance that shows more respect for free speech than other recent convention cities but does not hamstring the police.  You know, legislate.

How many anarchists
actually live in Denver? 

Hard to say because they oppose counting.


[ Parent ]
Here, here
Brie is on the right track here.

I'm pretty sure the anarchist contingent of this coalition is not representative of the majority of groups planning to protest.  All Nations Alliance again demonstrates their political savvy and uncanny talent for creating controversy where a simple solution was entirely possible.

Should be fun.


Er...
Bri-O, not Brie.  Cheese on the brain.

[ Parent ]
Completely hypothetical....
Do you think the Dems would let a non-delegate go to the convention to just watch a convention?

Dude..
Love your posts.  Email me sometime at hektohATgmailDOTcom.  I'd love to buy you a cup of coffee.

[ Parent ]
Ah shucks
It's a date  :)

[ Parent ]
I doubt it
and you would probably see more on TV anyway.  But I understand your wish to do so.

Back in college, my friend and I decided that we wanted to see the Sebring 12 hours race from a better position.  So I sent the race a request for press credentials for the "University of Florida Triumph Sports Car Club."  My friend had a TR4, I went to UF.  They asked for a copy of our newsletter, which I made up one night.

That was good enough to get us press passes, car and camping trailer into the paddock, pit access, press goodies, food, and onto the van which circulated OUTSIDE of the fence with the peons on the other side. "Stop here."

We did that for two years. Great memories.

"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010


[ Parent ]
Was that supposed to deter me?
:)

Obviously I would rather it be the Republican convention, but they aren't going to be in town.  This might be a once in a life time opportunity....

But if all else fails, I'm sure they'll be some sort protest I can tag along with-THAT'D be an experience


[ Parent ]
I like your spirit....


"Politics determines who has the power, not who has the truth." Paul Krugman, 9/2010

[ Parent ]
The Hickster
could offer them carbon credits and vow to tax them if they don'r car pool to the riots - that would show them!

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